They didn't though did they. They said the cult of a strong man leader (Kim Jong-un) was comparable to that of 'right wing' dictatorships in other countries.
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They didn't though did they. They said the cult of a strong man leader (Kim Jong-un) was comparable to that of 'right wing' dictatorships in other countries.
High unemployment, massive personal debt, strategic industries in the hands of foreigners and social exclusion are a legacy, I'll admit; that will take time to peter out.
It won't be through some governmental policy either, just the disconnect between what we can control and what we earn has it's own grim ending.
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I'd never noticed Cloggy before this thread.
It's not the first time that the devious BBC journalists have done this "left/right" flip flop thing! When a left-wing régime starts looking pretty nasty, they start calling it "right wing."
They did this in the dying years of the Soviet Union, when they began to call the Communist establishment "right-wingers" and the daring Russian politicians who espoused personal liberty and free enterprise "left-wingers!"
It's not the first time that the devious BBC journalists have done this "left/right" flip flop thing! When a left-wing régime starts looking pretty nasty, they start calling it "right wing."
They did this in the dying years of the Soviet Union, when they began to call the Communist establishment "right-wingers" and the daring Russian politicians who espoused personal liberty and free enterprise "left-wingers!"
That was John Sweeney. He's one of the biggest dickheads ever on TV.
He didn't come across as very intelligent in this week's "Panorama" documentary about North Korea. North Korea turned out to be exactly as we would have expected, so it seemed to be a completely pointless exercise.
Interesting argument that she must have done awful things because people are protesting..
any thread about dutch based players is where he's king!
Oh ok. Sorry, I didnt realise she invented all of those things and did such a thorough job that the governments that followed couldnt reverse them, no matter how hard they tried.
Still, maybe when UKIP are swept to power following their impressive showing in the leader debates they will sort it out
Sorry Portly, as someone who regularly protested outside the SA embassy in the 80s I have to say this point of view is badly misinformed. Thatcher tacitly approved of sanctions busting and was pressurised by other Commonwealth countries into opposing apartheid. Her only concern was British business interests particulary our banking and mining industries. She rather got swept up in the tide of global opposition to the Sa regime in the mid eighties. If you really want to know her moral compass check out Australian foreign minister Bob Carr's recollections of a conversation they had, very revealing and confirms my impression of her from my youth.
On another point if Thatcher is to have a statue why hasn't Clem Atlee got a statue, a true patriot and someone who oversaw massive change for the good in times so difficult they are unimagineable nowadays, a giant of his time who achievements to benefit ALL dwarf Thatchers accomplishments for the few
There were people protesting the amount of state money used (e.g. policing/ military) which is a bit ironic considering they were there to stop those very same protestors from going rogue..
Hi Letallecwiz, yes I am aware of Kathera and he might believe Thatchers word that as a new mp and as a female backbencher back in the 60s she used her influence on McMillan re Mandela's sentence but I'm sorry I dont believe her. Do you honestly believe Mcmillan even knew who she was!
It was only an enforced hardening of the uk and us stance on sa re sanctions that brought down apartheid, something that Thatch was diametrically opposed to.
It was only an enforced hardening of the uk and us stance on sa re sanctions that brought down apartheid, something that Thatch was diametrically opposed to.
Hey Tony - I think it's an oft repeated exaggeration that sanctions were why Apartheid fell. Granted, they were a nuisance to the Apartheid government but all of South Africa's exports were found throughout the world even during the 'sanctions' (you could buy South African produce in England, the US, Asia - wherever). If anything really shook the South African government out of their resolve it was the price of Gold. Once they lost that 'ally' (after its run between '82 - '89) it was over (thankfully) ...
I tend to agree with Thatcher's opposition to sanctions against apartheid South Africa. Sanctions always have the worst effect on poor people, as we saw in Iraq and see now in North Korea. In addition, they tend to strengthen despotic régimes politically as they become more isolated from the rest of the world. I have just heard Richard Bacon interview Brian Mulroney, who was Canadian P.M. at the time. He agreed that he had a dispute with Mrs. Thatcher over the sanctions issue, but confirmed that she was a long-term opponent of apartheid itself.
How dare people younger than 30 protest !! Next we will hear is people born after 1945 saying they think Hitler was a bad man ... what is the world coming to???
I doubt she objected to sanctions because of their impact on poor people - her domestic policies are inexplicable if that were the case
So Thatcher was anti Apartheid. Well good woman Maggie. Give her a fucking medal. I would have thought that any human being, that has a shred of human decency,would be opposed to Apartheid.
Now how about addressing Cambodia and Chile and her friendships with the despots there , who were responsible for the deaths of millions.
Now how about addressing Cambodia and Chile and her friendships with the despots there , who were responsible for the deaths of millions.
This is where I want some help - give me some reading material as to what benefits they got from these 'friendships' ... I only ask, based on my earlier discussion re: England during WWII (or the US for that matter, because politicians tend to take any friend based on variables that in hindsight look horrific to 99% of us ...
Thatcher: ‘The Irish are all liars’
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson reveals tip from Margaret Thatcher
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson said today the only thing Margaret Thatcher ever told him was that the Irish were “all liars” and not to be trusted.
He revealed the 1999 exchange as he explained why he did not want to attend the former prime minister’s funeral service.
He said he “ didn’t feel he knew her well enough” to apply for the tickets offered to peers, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today.
“Although I helped to organise the Labour Party’s opposition to her policies throughout the 1980s, I only ever met her once. It was the day I was appointed Northern Ireland secretary and our paths crossed,” he said.
“She came up to me and she said, ‘I’ve got one thing to say to you, my boy ... you can’t trust the Irish, they are all liars’, she said, ‘liars, and that’s what you have to remember, so just don’t forget it. With that she waltzed off and that was my only personal exposure to her.”
Lord Mandelson, one of the central architects of New Labour, has criticised the scale of the funeral but accepted the Iron Lady “reframed British politics”.
“I think what she was right to do was to bring home to us the reality that Britain could not afford rampant inflation, that state monopolies needed commercialising, that personal tax rates were too high and that enterprise was too unrewarding,” he said.
“She was also right to argue that deregulation can be a valuable spur to innovation and efficiency and of course she tackled what was then a very disruptive and irresponsible trade union culture.
“But the truth is also that in cutting back the state necessarily, she overlooked what the state can also do successfully.”
PA
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson reveals tip from Margaret Thatcher
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson
Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson said today the only thing Margaret Thatcher ever told him was that the Irish were “all liars” and not to be trusted.
He revealed the 1999 exchange as he explained why he did not want to attend the former prime minister’s funeral service.
He said he “ didn’t feel he knew her well enough” to apply for the tickets offered to peers, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today.
“Although I helped to organise the Labour Party’s opposition to her policies throughout the 1980s, I only ever met her once. It was the day I was appointed Northern Ireland secretary and our paths crossed,” he said.
“She came up to me and she said, ‘I’ve got one thing to say to you, my boy ... you can’t trust the Irish, they are all liars’, she said, ‘liars, and that’s what you have to remember, so just don’t forget it. With that she waltzed off and that was my only personal exposure to her.”
Lord Mandelson, one of the central architects of New Labour, has criticised the scale of the funeral but accepted the Iron Lady “reframed British politics”.
“I think what she was right to do was to bring home to us the reality that Britain could not afford rampant inflation, that state monopolies needed commercialising, that personal tax rates were too high and that enterprise was too unrewarding,” he said.
“She was also right to argue that deregulation can be a valuable spur to innovation and efficiency and of course she tackled what was then a very disruptive and irresponsible trade union culture.
“But the truth is also that in cutting back the state necessarily, she overlooked what the state can also do successfully.”
PA
The Onion?
Nope. It's on the wires (not that the wires exist anymore, but you g the reference I'm sure).
What a delightful lady she was.
Close, it's in the New Statesman and The Irish Times
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