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Well, prima facie, I suppose I was. But it's very interesting, not only in the context of the Irish situation but just as much in the wider context of how much we (the people) might be being manipulated at all times.
That's now stuck in my head. Thanks.
I quite like the fact that a couple of times a day, I get an alert reminding me that she's dead.
Imagine how long that would last
I was just watching Return of the Jedi there, and I have to say I found the celebrations at the end when Emperor Palpatine died really distasteful.
I mean we can all have our opinions on his policies, but he had tough choices to make and the galaxy was in a state when he took over. And at the end of the day, he was a little old man. Sad to see ewoks and rebels celebrating. Like it or not, he changed the galaxy.
I mean we can all have our opinions on his policies, but he had tough choices to make and the galaxy was in a state when he took over. And at the end of the day, he was a little old man. Sad to see ewoks and rebels celebrating. Like it or not, he changed the galaxy.
True. Some people say that it doesn't matter as he had no kids, they're choosing to ignore the fact that he treated Vader like one of his own.
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Mark Steel: You can't just shut us up now that Margaret Thatcher's dead
If someone robs your house, you don’t say: “I disagreed with the burglar’s policy, of tying me to a chair. But I did admire his convictions.”
If someone robs your house, you don’t say: “I disagreed with the burglar’s policy, of tying me to a chair. But I did admire his convictions.”
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Maybe a more modern way of broadcasting the news would have been for Davina McCall to announce it, saying: “She’s gone, but let’s have a look at some of her best bits.” Then we could see her denouncing Nelson Mandela as a terrorist and befriending General Pinochet.
Instead it began as expected, with the Hurds, Howes and Archers phoning in their “remarkables” and “historics”, and we were reminded how she brought down the Berlin Wall and rescued Britain, then an article in The Timesclaimed she was responsible for ending apartheid, and it seemed by today we’d be hearing she stopped Gibraltar being invaded by Daleks and made our goldfish feel proud to be British and took 8 for 35 against Australia to win the Ashes.
“Even those who disagreed with her, respected her as a conviction politician”, it was said many times, as if everyone would participate in the mourning. But soon it was impossible to pretend there was a respectful consensus, not because of the odd party in the street, but from a widespread and considered contempt. In many areas it must have been confusing for Jehovah’s Witnesses, as every time they knocked on a door and asked, “Have you heard the good news”, they’d be told “Yes mate, I have, do you want to come in for a beer?”
Before long came the complaints, such as Tony Blair saying: “Even if you disagree with someone very strongly, at the moment of their passing you should show some respect.” Presumably then, when Bin Laden was killed, Blair’s statement was: “Although I didn’t agree with Osama’s policies, he was a conviction terrorist, a colourful character whose short films were not only fun but educational as well. He will be sadly missed.”
The disrespect was inevitable, as millions were opposed to her not because they disagreed with her, but because she’d helped to ruin their lives. If someone robs your house, you don’t say: “I disagreed with the burglar’s policy, of tying me to a chair with gaffer tape and stripping the place bare, even taking the pickled onions, which I consider to be divisive. But I did admire his convictions.”
For example, a Chilean woman living in Britain was quoted in The Nationmagazine, saying: “The Thatcher government directly supported Pinochet’s murderous regime, financially, via military support, even military training. Members of my family were tortured and murdered under Pinochet, who was one of Thatcher’s closest allies and friend. Those of us celebrating are the ones who suffered deeply.” Yes, but she was able to buy shares in British Gas so she was better off in other ways. In so many areas, the party that insists we show compassion for their departed heroine made a virtue of showing none when she was their leader. She didn’t just create unemployment, she gloried in it. Her supporters in the City revelled in their unearned wealth all the more because they could jeer at those with nothing.
But this week Thatcher fans have been unrestrained in their abuse for anyone not displaying “compassion”. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept they’ve just discovered it. They’re all going to the doctors saying: “I’ve been getting this strange sort of caring feeling towards someone who isn’t me. Do I need antibiotics?” If they’re puzzled as to why there isn’t universal sadness this week, maybe they should visit Corby. It’s a town that was built in the 1930s, entirely round a steelworks, and thousands of unemployed Scots moved there for the work. As a result its people still have a strong Scottish accent, even though it’s in Northamptonshire.
But in 1980 Margaret Thatcher’s government shut down most of the steel industry, as part of her plan to break the unions, and the effect on Corby was like someone taking control of the Lake District and concreting in the lakes.
I was there to record a radio show about the town, and met Don and Irene, both in their seventies, at the Grampian Club. Don’s father had walked to Corby from Larkhall, near Glasgow, in 1932. I mentioned the steel strike and plant closure to Don, but he gestured as if it had somehow passed him by. It would have to be mentioned in the show, so I tried to find someone in the town with a story, an anecdote, something. But no one wanted to say a thing about it. During the recording, I asked if anyone had a story to tell from those days, but no one did, until it felt as if the whole audience collectively passed a motion that went: “I think you’d best move on to another subject, Mark.”
Afterwards in the bar, Irene told me: “We weren’t being rude, love, when we didn’t have a lot to say about the closure. But it wasn’t an easy time. Don marched from Corby to London with a banner. It made him angry about everything, we split up for a year because it was too much to live with. But we were lucky, two of our closest friends committed suicide in the months after the closure. So people would rather forget about those times really. But apart from that we really enjoyed the show.”
Still, even those who disagree with her policies, will surely commend her achievements.
Strangely, it’s now her supporters who are insulting her memory, with a funeral paid for by the taxpayer. Surely it would be more fitting to leave her where she is, and say: “If you can’t stand on your own two feet, you can't expect help from the state.”
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a Chilean woman living in Britain was quoted in The Nation magazine, saying:“The Thatcher government directly supported Pinochet’s murderous regime, financially, via military support, even military training. Members of my family were tortured and murdered under Pinochet, who was one of Thatcher’s closest allies and friend. Those of us celebrating are the ones who suffered deeply.
I know I wasn't there like, but I'm amazed that people have ignored this. Thicko's.
Though I guess that's Karma for us ignoring the tributes of her personal secretary, or dismissing Peter's carefully selected articles while singing "lalalalalala" with our fingers in our ears.
I know I wasn't there like, but I'm amazed that people have ignored this. Thicko's.
Though I guess that's Karma for us ignoring the tributes of her personal secretary, or dismissing Peter's carefully selected articles while singing "lalalalalala" with our fingers in our ears.
I watched Hard Talk last night and they had Saatchi on going on about how her single minded determination and belief in the individual and the markets was so amazing and revolutionary. I just wish the old cunt would have read something fun instead of Atlas Shrugged. She was just a Randroid bitch and her policies ultimately failed. Saatchi even said that he saw her last year and asked if she knew that 5 banks governed 80% of all financial traffic and he said her eyes widened and she shrieked 'that's impossible' - suggesting she'd have stopped it with regulation or something.
That's the opposite of what she would have done. She shrieked because she realised her life's work was a load of utter shit, based on an irrational inhuman philosophy dreamt up by a murder loving fucknut. Of course the market eventually leads to massive cartels in charge of everything.
I bet she only sold the railways because she still dreamed of getting anally brutalised by John Galt. Fucking weird off the autism spectrum bitch. And how all these tories are saying she was such a sexy young woman I'll never know. No wonder everyone was shagging kids in the 80s if that was meant to be hot.
That's the opposite of what she would have done. She shrieked because she realised her life's work was a load of utter shit, based on an irrational inhuman philosophy dreamt up by a murder loving fucknut. Of course the market eventually leads to massive cartels in charge of everything.
I bet she only sold the railways because she still dreamed of getting anally brutalised by John Galt. Fucking weird off the autism spectrum bitch. And how all these tories are saying she was such a sexy young woman I'll never know. No wonder everyone was shagging kids in the 80s if that was meant to be hot.
Maybe they mean she fought against freedom?
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Here's an extract from Thatcher's secret 1985 letter to the South African President P.W. Botha:
"I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake. A specific initiative to launch a political dialogue before the Commonwealth Group gets far into its work would also be a skilful move and one in line with the intentions which you expressed to me."
http://www.thesouthafrican.com/news...hatcher-pw-botha-urges-release-of-mandela.htm
Real history is far more complex than the various travesties with which we have been presented in this thread. 🙂
I think you should probably learn how to use an apostrophe before calling other people thick.
The one change you could make to best stop the domination of FS by a small number of banks would be to greatly reduce the burden of the very expensive regulation that prevents new entrants into the market.
Hahahaha. Is that for reals?
The problem with real history is that it tells us that Thatcher was a friend of, and actually supported despots like Pol Pot and Pinochet, who literally were responsible for the deaths of millions.
I would view her assertion that the release of Mandela would be a "skilful move", with the height of suspicion
I would view her assertion that the release of Mandela would be a "skilful move", with the height of suspicion
Portly her own party have come out and denounced her views on Mandela and the ANC.
I dont see what the point is in trying to revise a history that is already in the public domain.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527432/Cameron-rebuts-Thatchers-view-of-Mandela.html
Some of you folks give far more exclusive credence to Thatch's public statements than you would to just about any other politician's. A certified extract from a letter which was kept secret at the time is far more likely to represent what she really thought.
But the fact is that Thatcher was not a supporter of the Apartheid régime as has been frequently asserted in this thread. She worked alongside Commonwealth leaders to try to dismantle it. As you see from the letter I posted she was trying to persuade the hardline P.W Botha to release Nelson Mandela. I think her position on trade sanctions was perfectly logical even though the ANC were in favour of sanctions. Sanctions always have the worst effect on ordinary people, as we saw in Iraq under Saddam and we are seeing now in North Korea.
It may seem harsh to have described Mandela as a terrorist, but in the early days of the ANC he was involved in activities including bombings that we normally associate with terrorism - even if you think that it was a worthy cause.
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