Yeh. It was a while back I think though not related to her death. Fucking funny though
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Yeh. It was a while back I think though not related to her death. Fucking funny though
So we can add lying to the public to the list.
Good work jj.
You can't assert anything from an extract of a letter without context. It's like claims relying on stats, you can call it any which way. Certainly her public statements and deeds were contradictory.
Even in this obscure reference though it's plain to see that people are divided as to her intentions. The point of most of this thread.
Even in this obscure reference though it's plain to see that people are divided as to her intentions. The point of most of this thread.
I think that the most outstanding example of that, is that Thatcher convinced the nation that her government was cutting expenditure, whereas in reality public expenditure continued to rise in the Thatcher years, especially in the NHS where it rocketed.
@ Portly - if you want to discuss my point earlier via message, please do ... I have many other examples and would would like to hear your opinions, but don't want to get in the way of this thread (too much at least!)
I was referring to South Africa, apartheid and the figures and organisations involved.
But, yeah, you're point is valid. If you create mass unemployment then public expenditure rises. Then, as now.
Not in the NHS!
Perhaps people get sicker when they're unemployed and poorer?
A steadfast critic of apartheid, she had consistently and correctly believed that much more could be achieved through constructive engagement with the South African government than through draconian sanctions and isolation, De Klerk (My addition: Former President who released Mandela and ended Apartheid) said in a statement.
She had understood the need to consider the concerns and aspirations of all South Africans in their search for constitutional consensus.
"For this reason, she was able to play a positive role in supporting our own process of non-racial constitutional transformation in South Africa," he said.
One can also look at Ahmed Kathrada's stance to add weight to Portly and JJ's position.
I hear new research from Cuba contradicts that.
so is anyone willing to defend her supporting pinochet and pot
That's a good point that you raise, why don't more countries do what Cuba does when it comes to health care?
Does the NHS have to look after them as well?. No wonder it's tough getting an appointment.
And why is Cuba keeping tabs on our sickness and unemployment rates?
If someone can give me some reading material on Pinochet & Pot and why she felt the need to be their friends, I'd be grateful (it's tough to ascertain what's worthwhile reading now as it's all swining one way or another).
Power made her wet.
HOLD THE FUCK UP - where's Michael J Fox?
I think you're trying to be funny, but anyway, the research was about how being poor and unable to afford a normal western level of sustenance actually seems to improve one's health.
@athensruairi this relates to your post too.
It's a fact that in both World War 1 and World War 2, when the public's diet was severely restricted by rationing, public health at home improved considerably.
Well Peter said earlier that if there was a greater purpose then sending people to their death could be justified.
The Cubans have a policy of sending junior doctors door-to-door calling in on old people and the very young. This simple act means a lot of easily preventable conditions are spotted early.
Saves a fortune and keeps people healthier for longer, hence their high life expectancy.
I wouldn't defend the Pinochet and Pol Pot connections, except to say that I think politics is a dirty business and almost all leaders tend to have these obnoxious episodes. She was a politician, so I tend to judge her in that context. It's bad, no doubt, but worse than Blair and Gaddafi? Or Blair lying in order to send his people to die in a pointless war? Or Cameron supporting the continuation of the Afghanistan war in return for The Lying Rag's political support?
Probably not.
Probably not.
I think almost anyone who isn't a pacifist believes that, don't they? Or do you think no war has ever been justifiable?
I doubt that but surely the improvement only lasted until you got shot in the trenches or a bomb fell on your house.
Carlton dancing gifs are funny.
The guy who played Carlton said he based the dancing on Courtney Cox's dancing in the Springsteen video.
But that seems irrelevant to this recent piece of research, which plots a connection between absolute poverty and improved health.
I haven't seen that research. Do you have a link for it, or did you post it earlier and I missed it?
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