I don't think he will be approached. rafa would definately be more popular than the owners and when/if good results started they fear a power struggle and given rafa's past who's to say they wouldn't get one?
So who do we want/expect/hope?
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I don't think he will be approached. rafa would definately be more popular than the owners and when/if good results started they fear a power struggle and given rafa's past who's to say they wouldn't get one?
beat me to it by seconds
Well, he was promised that players would be bought, and none were, despite Inter having an ageing injury-ravaged squad. Yes, he should have handled it differently, but I reckon he'll have had loads of time to ponder it in the last year, scratching his arse.
Of all the managers we have been linked to, Rafa Benitez is the standout candidate.
He is the one who would bring instant positive results, im fairly sure of that.
Im hoping there is a rabbit in the hat somewhere or that the owners are willing to take a risk.
But the honest (gutting) truth is that Rafa is the safest surest bet.
He is the one who would bring instant positive results, im fairly sure of that.
Im hoping there is a rabbit in the hat somewhere or that the owners are willing to take a risk.
But the honest (gutting) truth is that Rafa is the safest surest bet.
I dunno JJ. If he is hired on the basis these structures are cast iron, and we have a strong, charismatic person in the GM/DoF role, then I think we can avoid it.
Rafa identifies so much with this place; for him, LFC is his dream job. That's probably not true of anyone else. I'd like to think that he realises that he has one chance, one shot, and that these owners won't put up with shenanigans. I'm not saying it is ludicrous that he'll go that direction, I just think that-
a) these are better owners who are more likely to be in close communication with Rafa
b) he has one shot at this
c) the owners have just demonstrated their ruthlessness. If they'd sack a man that is considered a deity on the Kop, they'd fire him without compunction; he'd know this
Figured you'd think that at some point. It worries me when we disagree over big stuff!
Everyone who thinks Van Gaal is the answer is as mad as he is.
A. V. B. it's as easy as 1. 2. 3.
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Possibly, doc. My worry would be that it's one thing to be aware of those factors, but another to be capable of acting accordingly.
Yeah, that's my thinking too.
I'm wondering how the interviews are going to go?
will it be;
FSG - 'we want to do 'this', and our structure is 'this' can you fit that?'
or will it be;
FSG - '10 minutes to impress us, GO!'
will it be;
FSG - 'we want to do 'this', and our structure is 'this' can you fit that?'
or will it be;
FSG - '10 minutes to impress us, GO!'
One thing I will say is that, while I don't really want to do either, I'd sooner take a risk on Rafa than the risk of putting a young guy in. The time for THAT would be when we're back on track, not when we've still got to get there.
depends if you are commited to a long term plan to give the club a footballing identity, if that is the case then now is the ideal time for a young manager.
if your long term plan is to develop talent rather than pay huge fees for talent then you would have factored in time out of the CL while you make that transitition
I don't agree. I think we need to steady the ship before setting a new course for it.
And I doubt there's a long term plan to do either of those things to the exclusion of the other. We'll need to do both. Every top side does.
And I doubt there's a long term plan to do either of those things to the exclusion of the other. We'll need to do both. Every top side does.
there is no 'ideal' time to take a risk though is there. look at the pep appointment, MASSIVE risk for barca and they could have gone for experience when rijkaard was released.
Uh-oh, Roy Alert !
well, quite.
Haha. Fair point - and to some extent any new manager will make some changes. It's just that there's enough upheaval around already without adding even more. And the King's arrival went brilliantly to begin with - if FSG's original plan to appoint him to tide us over had worked out, we might well be in a better position now.
But this last bit of the argument demonstrates why I don't actually want either Rafa's return or the appointment of a young manager. I think the right appointment can give us both the stable base and the forward impetus we need. In that regard, the name I like most from the ones mentioned so far is Frank De Boer and that's whom I've voted for in the polls on here.
But this last bit of the argument demonstrates why I don't actually want either Rafa's return or the appointment of a young manager. I think the right appointment can give us both the stable base and the forward impetus we need. In that regard, the name I like most from the ones mentioned so far is Frank De Boer and that's whom I've voted for in the polls on here.
can someone provide he latest update on where things stand?
rogers - out (thank god)
klopp - out (sad)
martinez - still in?
capello - chelsea destined (sad)
AVB - still in?
de boer, guardiola?
rogers - out (thank god)
klopp - out (sad)
martinez - still in?
capello - chelsea destined (sad)
AVB - still in?
de boer, guardiola?
if you buy a franchise you know nothing about you copy the person who has the same franchise and is best at it and in the case of football it is barca. I think the americans have looked at barca and want to copy the football, the set up, the structure, the youth policy.
basically I think what the americans are doing now is what they wanted to do a year ago, place a young man in charge and have clearly defined roles above him (just like they implemented at RS).
they had no control of the roy appointment but for some reason they didn't remove him the second they walked through the doors. roy turned out to be an utter disaster but yet still they held off sacking him and I said (at the time) I will bet any money they aren't sacking him because they want to limp over the finish line and THEN get their ideal guy, appointing kenny will just muddy the waters (in their minds).
eventually they HAD to get rid as we were flirting with relagation and they hired kenny. and what I suspect they knew would happen, happened (hence the reluctance to sack roy) kenny was not just adequate he was fantasic making it pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to sack kenny.
signings and results flew in the face of what they wanted to achieve and they removed the DoF and kenny. I suspect all we are seeing now is what they wanted to do (and perhaps should have done) the second they walked through the doors.
if we sign a manager over the age of 45 or who plays a pragmatic style of football I will be very suprised.
basically I think what the americans are doing now is what they wanted to do a year ago, place a young man in charge and have clearly defined roles above him (just like they implemented at RS).
they had no control of the roy appointment but for some reason they didn't remove him the second they walked through the doors. roy turned out to be an utter disaster but yet still they held off sacking him and I said (at the time) I will bet any money they aren't sacking him because they want to limp over the finish line and THEN get their ideal guy, appointing kenny will just muddy the waters (in their minds).
eventually they HAD to get rid as we were flirting with relagation and they hired kenny. and what I suspect they knew would happen, happened (hence the reluctance to sack roy) kenny was not just adequate he was fantasic making it pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to sack kenny.
signings and results flew in the face of what they wanted to achieve and they removed the DoF and kenny. I suspect all we are seeing now is what they wanted to do (and perhaps should have done) the second they walked through the doors.
if we sign a manager over the age of 45 or who plays a pragmatic style of football I will be very suprised.
Frank de Boer is 42. 😉
I think FSG have just demonstrated that their idea of a long term strategy is two seasons, or 1.5 to be exact.
going from tweet from barrett (probably the best source).
rogers - doesn't want to be part of the interview process but if given the job outright would take it
klopp - comitted to BVB
martinez - being interviewed
AVB - being interviewed
de boer - no idea
guardiola - comitted to barca
Personally I think we have no chance of breaking into the top four next season and the sooner we all accept that the better. We are obviously in a transition period where some important members of the squad fade away - gerrard carra, and hopefully some young players, hendo shelvey, grow into the players we hope they might be. We also need to reduce the wage bill - it all adds up to a long term plan. Perhaps this next season wouldnt be the best one to spunk £50 mil on new players, ffp rules are going to inflate prices as the big clubs try to get their ducks in a row so if the owners accept that we are in a rebuilding phase, aren't likely to challenge next season for cl qualification perhaps a new manager will have enough time to enforce his vision on the club, and we can kick on with some top signings the following season in a less competitive transfer market. This is a big big decision now on the part of the owners and as far as I'm concerned we need a safe experienced pair of hands.
Didn't Guardiola resign? Have i missed something? Why is he committed to Barca?
Yeah, its not a solution I agree with. Its just the most obvious one.
Owners dont want to take risks whenever possible. Whos the bigger risk 'financially?'
Rafa or Martinez?
Rafa or Klopp?
Rafa or Rodgers?
Rafa or AVB?
Hes a cert to make us stronger as he is tactically better than any of the other, and with the exception of Inter he has always done well working with another mans squad (hed be a GREAT international manager).
So out of the realistic options we have seen he IS the most sensible.
Not that I want it to happen.
no, I think they would more patience in their (true) policy, after all they haven't sacked the baseball managers on a whim.
it was a sabbatical not a resgination. how I wish kenny had done that 20 years ago. take a year off, recharge your batteries and come back with renewed energy. decisions made in haste regretted at leisure
I honestly believe that as Neil already said Kenny was appointed last summer, not because he was the man that FSG wanted but because he had been such a success in the care taker role it would have been impossible not to do so. I don't think that the two, Kenny and FSG, had the same vision going forward and compatible ideas on how the club could develop. Neither party were totally commited to each other.
That is why I don't want rafa back, though I understand why people would want him. I just cannot believe that him and FSG would share a vision of how Liverpool should be run and I can can see a divergence of styles and strategies, leading to a break up in the very near future.
I want a manger that will implement the FSG plan, whatever it is in entirety and we can rise or fall accordingly. No ifs buts or maybes. no half measures. Let's see if it is going to work.
That is why I don't want rafa back, though I understand why people would want him. I just cannot believe that him and FSG would share a vision of how Liverpool should be run and I can can see a divergence of styles and strategies, leading to a break up in the very near future.
I want a manger that will implement the FSG plan, whatever it is in entirety and we can rise or fall accordingly. No ifs buts or maybes. no half measures. Let's see if it is going to work.
cheers spidey - what's the latest on rafa, is it serious or lazy journalism?
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