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Hal dude, it must be tiring to be so relentlessly pessimistic. Give yourself a break FFS. We always knew this season would be harder without Suarez, and a lot of those other teams *are* worse than we are. Keep the faith, for the sake of your own blood pressure if nothing else. 😉
 
6th would be my guess currently. If we didn't have the Studge coming back. I'll wait until he's in there to really judge.
 
Still a chance of fourth, and a good chance. We've had a derby, and City and Spurs away. Sadly, it's left us three points off the bottom, but there's a long way to go and we can only get better. As long as the performances are getting better, we are on with a chance of top four. The league? No way.
 
Hal dude, it must be tiring to be so relentlessly pessimistic. Give yourself a break FFS. We always knew this season would be harder without Suarez, and a lot of those other teams *are* worse than we are. Keep the faith, for the sake of your own blood pressure if nothing else. 😉


It's not unwarranted pessimism, though. And I'm more often right than I am wrong. I just fear that by the time we "click", the likes of Chelsea, City and Arsenal will be out of reach, leaving us to battle it out with Utd & Everton which might have gotten their house in order. Utd have a particularly strong attack which will win them games.

I wasn't confident at the start of the season, but it's actually gone worse than anticipated. I can normally find positives in performances, but they're few and far between. It seems as though I *was* actually optimistic.

I'd love to be positive, Jules, but it's bloody hard work.
 
There's glaring weaknesses in every part of the pitch. That's not right.
For me the midfield is key. We sort out the attacking side, we'll create more chances.

We sort out the defensive side, we'll concede less.

Our best defensive and offensive performances came from the midfield pressing from start to finish. That's gone out the window this season.

It seems like Henderson is babysitting Gerrard. When we moved Lallana out wide to accommodate Coutinho, we ended up giving them a lot of time in the middle of the park
 
We will inevitably turn it around, it's a good thing everybody is struggling to find form, besides Chelsea of course.
 
We will inevitably turn it around, it's a good thing everybody is struggling to find form, besides Chelsea of course.


That's the only positive.

I don't know if it's "inevitable" we'll turn it around, though. Sturridge's return can't come soon enough
 
That's the only positive.

I don't know if it's "inevitable" we'll turn it around, though. Sturridge's return can't come soon enough

I think today showed that we still have the ability to play at a high intensity and produce good attacking moves, I think Lallana staying fit and easing into the side, will help remedy that, but it's pretty obvious we struggle without Sturridge, and Mario isn't the right style of striker to be a permanent fixture.

Take the two best strikers away from any team in the World and they will struggle, it takes time. I think we need another goalscorer and we'll be looking good, but in the meantime, we might see a fair few Arsenal-esque performances, of passing it around prettily enough but failing to find the back of the net. Longterm I'm not "worried", we're moving in the right direction.
 
We didn't play at high intensity today. Our midfield was still laboured and slow. Thank God for Lallana
 
We didn't play at high intensity today. Our midfield was still laboured and slow. Thank God for Lallana

I think we did defensively as a side, we closed alot better and wanted it more, for the most part. Our passing at times on the attack was alot more fluid than it has been.
 
I think we did defensively as a side, we closed alot better and wanted it more, for the most part. Our passing at times on the attack was alot more fluid than it has been.
We defended better, but whether that's down to having a settling back line and an ineffective Everton attack remains to be seen.

We gave them too much space on the middle from when we scored though. Backing off is fucking criminal at a time like that in the Derby
 
We defended better, but whether that's down to having a settling back line and an ineffective Everton attack remains to be seen.

We gave them too much space on the middle from when we scored though. Backing off is fucking criminal at a time like that in the Derby

Not going to argue with that. The issue with a gaping chasm infront of the defense has been there since the WBA game on the opening day two seasons ago.
 
Not going to argue with that. The issue with a gaping chasm infront of the defense has been there since the WBA game on the opening day two seasons ago.
The chasm is getting bigger though, forcing hendo to come deeper, taking a lot out of his game.
 
Ideally, Can and hendo at the Base of a 451 could be marvellous

Can behind any 2 of allen/hendo/lallana will also be marvellous
 
Allen's return is important too. Him and Sturridge should hopefully make a difference to this side... but that's verging on reverting back to the old "wait until player x is fit..." We should be doing better than we are now whichever way you look at it.
 
I'd say about 6th, im not being pessimistic about that though, it'll take us a while to get into our stride and we'll be much better next season, just depends if united to sort out their problems by then and if it would be too late for us to get back into the top 4, still though, there are countless shit teams that we could support, liverpools not a bad one at all
 
Just for perspective, we are 3 points off fourth and four points off third. So it's still wide open ladies.

The gods are unkind, but not that unkind. Still plenty of time to turn it around. And today was an improvement.
 
Best get used to us being slow starters and strong finishers under Brendan. The amount of sheer running around he demands from his players is something few - if any - teams can produce right from the start of the season.
 
Looking at the points totals and recogizing that most teams are struggling for consistency I'd say frustration is the right response at present.

We've seen glimpses of our capability and the return of Sturridge and Allen will boost our options.

All to play for, I wouldn't limit myself to 4th at this point.

The messiah has returned, and he has pointed to the mountains zenith. All hail the prophecy (for a few more weeks)
 
It's easy to forget that United are one point ahead of us despite having not playing any of the top six, when we've played three of them, twice away from home. Fourth is still a very real possibility, but we really need to buck up our ideas and fast, unless Balotelli learns how to play in Brendan's system, we're basically a one man team in Sturridge, he's just too important.
 
Pessimists will be pessimistic, optimists will be optimistic, it's nothing new. There's reason enough to be either.

I'm an optimist so I'll look at the positives:

- Spurs look ordinary
- Everton look nowhere
- Arsenal nothing special, haven't improved much on last season
- Utd ridiculously unbalanced and had a terrible start, given their fixtures

For us:

- we seem to be getting better, more fluid
- Lallana is nearing full fitness and looks like being a real asset
- Sturridge to come back soon
- injuries have hurt us in midfield. Surely that will improve
- tough start more or less over now

We probably need 70-75 points. We're not great but neither are any of the other contenders. It should be achievable.
 
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