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Sunlit Uplands

When the lack of PPE became apparent the UK went out and worked to fill the gap way sooner than the EU did. Ditto vaccine stocks - that and the chaos in the EU over vaccines at the time was why Ursula von der Leyen made her vindictive attempt to use intra-Ireland border controls to prevent the UK stocking up on vaccines, till her own advisers warned her off doing so. She knew how those UK initiatives made the EU look, but her proposed remedy proved more harmful than its target.

The care home fiasco, the lack of quarantine controls and the effects of both were widely replicated elsewhere - the UK's was far from the only government to bet the farm initially on a herd immunity strategy. I suspect the same is true of contractual and financial skullduggery since, though it's theoretically possible that the EU was lilywhite about such things, its own auditors have been unable to sign its accounts off for the thick end of three decades.
 
Did I imagine the NHS PPE crisis? And the care home crisis? And the absence of any quarantine controls for travellers from covid-stricken nations until the second year of the pandemic? And the many thousands of avoidable deaths that resulted from this omnishambles?

The UK's pandemic response was significantly worse than that of comparable EU nations, and worse than the EU as a whole. And that's not to mention the UK government's scandalous corruption and profiteering in its awarding of Covid contracts, and the resulting misappropriation of public funds.

Honestly, what a bizarre way to promote Brexit.

It's insane what's happened/happening in this country.

The Govt expecting/and getting a pat on the back despite being culpable for thousands of avoidable Pandemic deaths.

The people responsible lauding it up on reality TV.

The breathtaking amount of taxpayer's money being transferred to closed-shop cabals.

MPs neglecting their elected duties in favour of TV shows.

Our billionaire offshore press magnates concocting various culture wars to distract people from all of the above, AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING IT.

I go for a pint with my Dad every Friday night, love the bones off the auld cunt but, without fail, when he's had a few, he pins all this on ALBANIANS. How the fuck do you square with these people?

As for elected officials, we have a PM no-one voted for, not even his own MPs, not even his own members. Never mind the general electorate. He's the ultimate example of an unelected official. And now everyone seems to be rallying behind him.

Inflation is high? External forces. Inflation is coming down? Our policies. People read this every day in the Daily Fail/Express and honestly believe it.

Wait until the Pandemic/Ukraine excuse disappears and the true clarity of Brexit there for all to see i.e. a depleted not fit-for-purpose NHS, a massive skill shortage gap, continuing high retail prices, lack of investment, the list will go on. But EVEN THEN, there will be excuses trotted out which will be believed.

Every time I walk my dogs in this part of the country, you walk past a sign that introduces you to the area. And you always see a 'paid for by EU money' symbol. Living in the NW as I'm sure most of us do, we have benefitted enormously from the EU. Do I trust the Tories (or any UK Govt for that matter) to match that? No fuckin chance.
 
It's insane what's happened/happening in this country.

The Govt expecting/and getting a pat on the back despite being culpable for thousands of avoidable Pandemic deaths.

The people responsible lauding it up on reality TV.

The breathtaking amount of taxpayer's money being transferred to closed-shop cabals.

MPs neglecting their elected duties in favour of TV shows.

Our billionaire offshore press magnates concocting various culture wars to distract people from all of the above, AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING IT.

I go for a pint with my Dad every Friday night, love the bones off the auld cunt but, without fail, when he's had a few, he pins all this on ALBANIANS. How the fuck do you square with these people?

As for elected officials, we have a PM no-one voted for, not even his own MPs, not even his own members. Never mind the general electorate. He's the ultimate example of an unelected official. And now everyone seems to be rallying behind him.

Inflation is high? External forces. Inflation is coming down? Our policies. People read this every day in the Daily Fail/Express and honestly believe it.

Wait until the Pandemic/Ukraine excuse disappears and the true clarity of Brexit there for all to see i.e. a depleted not fit-for-purpose NHS, a massive skill shortage gap, continuing high retail prices, lack of investment, the list will go on. But EVEN THEN, there will be excuses trotted out which will be believed.

Every time I walk my dogs in this part of the country, you walk past a sign that introduces you to the area. And you always see a 'paid for by EU money' symbol. Living in the NW as I'm sure most of us do, we have benefitted enormously from the EU. Do I trust the Tories (or any UK Govt for that matter) to match that? No fuckin chance.
Well Nadine Dorries first neglected her duties for a TV show.

Now she's just plain neglecting her duties.

Yet she is outraged she's not been made a Baroness.
 
It's insane what's happened/happening in this country.

The Govt expecting/and getting a pat on the back despite being culpable for thousands of avoidable Pandemic deaths.

The people responsible lauding it up on reality TV.

The breathtaking amount of taxpayer's money being transferred to closed-shop cabals.

MPs neglecting their elected duties in favour of TV shows.

Our billionaire offshore press magnates concocting various culture wars to distract people from all of the above, AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING IT.

I go for a pint with my Dad every Friday night, love the bones off the auld cunt but, without fail, when he's had a few, he pins all this on ALBANIANS. How the fuck do you square with these people?

As for elected officials, we have a PM no-one voted for, not even his own MPs, not even his own members. Never mind the general electorate. He's the ultimate example of an unelected official. And now everyone seems to be rallying behind him.

Inflation is high? External forces. Inflation is coming down? Our policies. People read this every day in the Daily Fail/Express and honestly believe it.

Wait until the Pandemic/Ukraine excuse disappears and the true clarity of Brexit there for all to see i.e. a depleted not fit-for-purpose NHS, a massive skill shortage gap, continuing high retail prices, lack of investment, the list will go on. But EVEN THEN, there will be excuses trotted out which will be believed.

Every time I walk my dogs in this part of the country, you walk past a sign that introduces you to the area. And you always see a 'paid for by EU money' symbol. Living in the NW as I'm sure most of us do, we have benefitted enormously from the EU. Do I trust the Tories (or any UK Govt for that matter) to match that? No fuckin chance.

Discontent with the running of one's own country isn't a new phenomenon (or exclusive to the UK) or disagreeing with others views (I'm sure your Dad did his best to bring you up maybe cut him some slack rather than trying to "square" him) it's the human condition. Re EU membership although an argument can be made for distribution of resources we were net contributors so it wasn't new money.

The main reason for discontent is wishing for 'sunlit uplands' in my opinion. "There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs" - Thomas Sowell. UK isn't such a bad place, could it be better? of course; will there be sunlit uplands nah!

BTW does anyone think the NHS is affected by the population increase? (58.8m in 2000, 67.5m last year)
 
Yes, and by one of life's little ironies I've just been getting my ear bent about that very thing, from a perhaps surprising source. Just got a taxi back from the GP surgery where I had a minor procedure done, and the Pakistani taxi driver (whom I've known for years) was on about that very thing for more or less the whole trip.
 
Should population increase really impact NHS quality of service though? Feels rather simplistic…
Assume if everything was a constant, tax revenue is relative to the increase in population and the NHS funding % is the same then I don’t see why there would be an issue. However, the fact we are losing our NHS staff due to poorer working conditions and pay to other countries is another thing.
 
The NHS 'crisis' is entirely political. Successive Labour and Conservative governments have sought to privatise it by stealth, and years of tory austerity has deliberately starved it of funding to convince us all that it's unsustainable. Without the political will, the NHS will suffer a slow and painful death (much like many of its patients, incidentally), culminating in its killers telling us they tried their level best to save it but we're going to have to accept that free healthcare is no longer viable for X/Y/Z reasons, all of which will be untrue. Then we'll move to an American model under which the price of good health is set by the markets.

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.
 
Same in Norway, also for teachers. The jobs have become too demanding schedule wise, and there is a lot of reporting and classic NPM management bollocks all over.
To cover for the staff shortages due to people being on sick leave and being understaffed, they spend tons on temporaries, rather than increasing the fixed positions. Shambles.
 
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The NHS 'crisis' is entirely political. Successive Labour and Conservative governments have sought to privatise it by stealth, and years of tory austerity has deliberately starved it of funding to convince us all that it's unsustainable. Without the political will, the NHS will suffer a slow and painful death (much like many of its patients, incidentally), culminating in its killers telling us they tried their level best to save it but we're going to have to accept that free healthcare is no longer viable for X/Y/Z reasons, all of which will be untrue. Then we'll move to an American model under which the price of good health is set by the markets.

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

We do have to pay for free healthcare through taxes though. We (UK tax payers) are currently paying the highest post war taxes. Tax take over 30% of GDP (NHS 11.3% of GDP in 2022 ONS) currently and is set to increase above 35% in 27/28. Tough call for prospective governing parties to ask for more.

https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/

Can we afford more? Are we doing things as well as we could? IDK!
 
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And what is included in that %? Surely not just health services, but also social benefits, pensions etc?
In Norway, whose health service rank 5th in the world, the GDP spend is 10,1% in 2021.
 
We do have to pay for free healthcare through taxes though. We (UK tax payers) are currently paying the highest post war taxes. NHS takes over 30% of GDP currently and is set to increase above 35% in 27/28. Tough call for prospective governing parties to ask for more.

https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/

Can we afford more? Are we doing things as well as we could? IDK!
Maybe fucking off HS2, getting back the PPE money and reconsider our military size would be a way to proper fund something we need as a nation.
 
We do have to pay for free healthcare through taxes though. We (UK tax payers) are currently paying the highest post war taxes. NHS takes over 30% of GDP currently and is set to increase above 35% in 27/28. Tough call for prospective governing parties to ask for more.

https://obr.uk/box/the-uks-tax-burden-in-historical-and-international-context/

Can we afford more? Are we doing things as well as we could? IDK!
That's the tax-to-GDP ratio, not the NHS spend. The NHS spend is less than 10% of GDP. Could we spend more? Absolutely.
 
That's the tax-to-GDP ratio, not the NHS spend. The NHS spend is less than 10% of GDP. Could we spend more? Absolutely.

True, corrected. The point is that we're heavily taxed and to ask for more (or borrow more) is going to take guts from whichever party decides to be upfront about it.
 
The NHS would have coped with the increased population had it (1) been funded properly and (2) been resourced properly.

Austerity took care of (1) and Brexit is taking care of (2).

HS2 is a fucking joke of a vanity project. What good is going to come from it? Funnelling people to London (hello Levelling Up) to work what jobs (hello Working from Home). A load of pointless shite.
 
The NHS would have coped with the increased population had it (1) been funded properly and (2) been resourced properly.

Austerity took care of (1) and Brexit is taking care of (2).

HS2 is a fucking joke of a vanity project. What good is going to come from it? Funnelling people to London (hello Levelling Up) to work what jobs (hello Working from Home). A load of pointless shite.
HS2 is and was long overdue.. issue is it should go all the way to Glasgow. But the swampys of this world protest and push the price sky high.

Oldest rail network in the world.. and slowest.. but everyone wants us to be more 'green'. Hello?
 
My brother works for one of the firms involved in hs2. He says one of the reasons for the long delay is that the nimbys have found a great way to delay it. Basically some of the land owners who are against it have sold off the fields it's meant to go through, but they haven't sold off entire fields, they've sold off square metre plots to other nimbys. So instead of dealing with one landowner they're now dealing with dozens of landowners. This has been done up and down the proposed route.
 
My brother works for one of the firms involved in hs2. He says one of the reasons for the long delay is that the nimbys have found a great way to delay it. Basically some of the land owners who are against it have sold off the fields it's meant to go through, but they haven't sold off entire fields, they've sold off square metre plots to other nimbys. So instead of dealing with one landowner they're now dealing with dozens of landowners. This has been done up and down the proposed route.
Should be compulsory buys set at an agreed £msqm.

But but but.. human rights..

Fuck that shit. No other country would stand for it.
 
Should be compulsory buys set at an agreed £msqm.

But but but.. human rights..

Fuck that shit. No other country would stand for it.

Not that I necessarily disagree but
I can think of a dozen others that would do the same.

Of those that wouldn't you'd prob want someone to bang the human rights drum in case all ya shit is taken cos some corrupt govt official can make £$€$¥
 
So what's the benefits of HS2? When you factor in flexible working, levelling up, the country being skint and environmental damage, what's left?
 
So what's the benefits of HS2? When you factor in flexible working, levelling up, the country being skint and environmental damage, what's left?

The HS2 site says: "HS2 will be the UK's zero carbon alternative for long-distance travel. It will reduce the need for car, lorry and plane journeys playing a vital role in delivering the Government's ambitious goal of Britain becoming net zero carbon by 2050."

https://www.hs2.org.uk/why/#:~:text=HS2 will be the UK's,net zero carbon by 2050.
 
Where's the Covid enquiry up to? Has The Buffoon handed over his WhatsApps yet? If so, what's going on?

Yes the inquiry now has the older phone whatsapps.

The public hearings related to government decision-making starts in early October.
 
The HS2 site says: "HS2 will be the UK's zero carbon alternative for long-distance travel. It will reduce the need for car, lorry and plane journeys playing a vital role in delivering the Government's ambitious goal of Britain becoming net zero carbon by 2050."

https://www.hs2.org.uk/why/#:~:text=HS2 will be the UK's,net zero carbon by 2050.

I know what the hs2 website says. But do you agree there's a necessity for a (current) £100b investment there? Likely to (at least) double by the time the piecemeal benefit is delivered? It's madness.
 
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