Sunlit Uplands

[The Nomad]

So now we're binning our green policy aspirations. Why?
Is this to save you money, to avoid overloading the common person in the midst of this cost-of-living crisis?
Nothing so laudable. An attempt for votes on the back of an unexpected ULEZ revolt in Uxbridge. A vote-grabber aimed at the climate deniers. That's where Tory policy is at these days. The dying embers of a failed administration fishing for votes.
The motor industry has been investing in this for years. We've just bribed Tata to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds to invest here. But, a whiff of a few votes and it's a complete 180.
Whether you think 2030 was achievable or not, what we're seeing here is short-term reactionary vote fishing. The short-termism in this country is scandalous. But as much as I hate the Tories for doing it, I hate Starmer for not calling it. The bloke's a cunt.
Nothing's going to change in this country, just let's get rid of these horrible parasites for a start then move on.

It's always the same. Come local elections, my usual tory constituency freezes Council tax in a vote grab. Didn't work this time and I'm hopeful the wider electorate will see right though Sunaks policies too.. lets not forget, he forced through the same 2030 policies while chancellor in the first place.

The Tory media are already smearing Starmer with headlines such as "we'll be back in the EU under Labour".

 

[Woland]

If only it was just fishing for votes

 

[Athens]

It's good to see that India is finally seeing some of the reparation money.

 

[Hansern]

 

[Woland]

It's not meant for you, he's talking to dickheads only

 

[Hansern]

It's not meant for you, he's talking to dickheads only

Its like you have replaced Johnson with another Johnson. What a muppet.

 

[jexykrodic]

Rishi Sunak Conservative
Keir Starmer Labour
Humza Yousuf Scottish National Party
Ed Davey Liberal Democrat
Jeffrey Donaldson Democratic Unionist Party
Mark Drakeford Welsh Labour
Erm............... Green Party

I am not inspired by any of these UK political party 'leaders', most seem incompetent and ineffective and unable to earn trust. Certainly the two main parties have leaders who are a charisma free zone. The rest are a motley crew of idealogues and downright crazies.

I don't think sunlit uplands (assuming you thought the uplands were sunlit when UK was in EU) will be viewed anytime soon especially as only the LIberal Democrats state they wish to rejoin the EU. The SNP want to join the EU if independent which could be a while. The two main parties don't advocate for rejoining the EU.

Why would EU accept UK anyway? Genuine question.

Sunlit Uplands = mirage.

 

[Woland]

Jacob Rees Mogg said it was we were headed via Brexit.

I think he was on about his hedge fund and Singapore.

 

[gene hughes]

Singapore is indeed sunnier than Somerset.

 

[Atlas]

Rishi Sunak Conservative
Keir Starmer Labour
Humza Yousuf Scottish National Party
Ed Davey Liberal Democrat
Jeffrey Donaldson Democratic Unionist Party
Mark Drakeford Welsh Labour
Erm............... Green Party

I am not inspired by any of these UK political party 'leaders', most seem incompetent and ineffective and unable to earn trust. Certainly the two main parties have leaders who are a charisma free zone. The rest are a motley crew of idealogues and downright crazies.

I don't think sunlit uplands (assuming you thought the uplands were sunlit when UK was in EU) will be viewed anytime soon especially as only the LIberal Democrats state they wish to rejoin the EU. The SNP want to join the EU if independent which could be a while. The two main parties don't advocate for rejoining the EU.

Why would EU accept UK anyway? Genuine question.

Sunlit Uplands = mirage.

Not that he's a 'leader' of a party but I'd add Khan in that list also as he has an important role as Mayor of London.

 

[jexykrodic]

Real leadership to me means governing in the interests of the majority of the citizens, not descending into partisan points scoring, trying to overturn or ignore a democratic vote or engineering financial gains for oneself or friends and family.

I don't need sunlit uplands, just light at the end of the tunnel. People I speak to don't really care what the colour of your rosette is.

 

[Richey]

Real leadership to me means governing in the interests of the majority of the citizens, not descending into partisan points scoring, trying to overturn or ignore a democratic vote or engineering financial gains for oneself or friends and family.

I don't need sunlit uplands, just light at the end of the tunnel. People I speak to don't really care what the colour of your rosette is.

well you’ve got no chance there, I’m afraid!

 

[jexykrodic]

well you’ve got no chance there, I’m afraid!

Yep, least not with the current system.

 

[Richey]

Yep, least not with the current system.

A change in system won't really make a difference, it would have to be a change in mindset, which I can't see happening.

As things stand, the pursuit of power seems to be the only goal for the political parties. They don't really have plans to actually do anything once they have the power, they simply want to keep it, while the opposition wants to regain it by any means possible.

The easiest way to do that is to make people dislike or fear the other side.

It always makes me laugh a little when parties say that they can't announce policies because the government could steal them. If you were truly committed to them, and to making positive change, surely you wouldn't mind that? You'd get the change you want, in theory.

Can you think of a time when either political party has won an election based on really selling their ideas or their plans rather than just being 'better than the other lot, who are incompetent/dangerous/etc'?

And can you think of a government that eventually hasn't just run out of steam anyway, regardless of what the opposition has or hasn't done?

 

[Athens]

They don't really have plans to actually do anything once they have the power

Well, apart from making as much money as they can.

 

[jexykrodic]

A change in system won't really make a difference, it would have to be a change in mindset, which I can't see happening.

As things stand, the pursuit of power seems to be the only goal for the political parties. They don't really have plans to actually do anything once they have the power, they simply want to keep it, while the opposition wants to regain it by any means possible.

The easiest way to do that is to make people dislike or fear the other side.

It always makes me laugh a little when parties say that they can't announce policies because the government could steal them. If you were truly committed to them, and to making positive change, surely you wouldn't mind that? You'd get the change you want, in theory.

Can you think of a time when either political party has won an election based on really selling their ideas or their plans rather than just being 'better than the other lot, who are incompetent/dangerous/etc'?

And can you think of a government that eventually hasn't just run out of steam anyway, regardless of what the opposition has or hasn't done?

I agree with the general sense of a political doom loop.

I think all governments run out of steam but now the system of government, it's ministries and it's supposed impartial civil service has led to voter apathy and mistrust such that many have simply tuned out. Administrations mistake this for acquiescence, most of us will put up with nonsense for a while but there will be a breaking point.

The big worry is that eventually the general population will revolt at every level. I see the same happening within the EU and US where individual states are increasingly ignoring the central states decrees and the divisions grow.

 

[Woland]

Fuck that shit. Of course it's party political. We've had these self serving wankers in for thirteen years, and the people who've enabled them would now rather blame the system than admit they're complicit in the horror show.

Nope. Fuck off. You caused this.

Pointing at this and saying 'this is what I mean' isn't a gotcha. I hear it all the time from idiots all over.

 

[jexykrodic]

For as long as I can remember people haven't been voting for anything, they vote against the current government. Interchanging between the two main parties is simply rinse and repeat.

Whether it's debilitating strikes in the 70's, mass unemployment in the 80's, sleaze in the 90's, " there's no money left" and illegal wars in the noughties, 2008 financial meltdown etc etc all under the watch of both parties.

How naive must you be to think another interchange will work!

What's that saying - “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

I used to wonder why people used to say "they're all the same", now I know it's because they are.

The current state of affairs has been a long time coming no matter how much you stamp your feet and say my sides better. Quite clearly they aren't.

 

[Woland]

You can't say that because some things were crap before that all things are equally crap. They're not. There's a zillion objective measures of what a disaster this govt has been. But you've fallen for their greatest trick yet, to say everyone else would have been just as bad. They wouldn't.

Yes, the system is fucked, it's rigged, it makes hardly any sense and it isn't fit for purpose. Labour are dull as fuck and utterly uninspiring. But that doesn't get these lying thieving cunts off the hook.

 

[jexykrodic]

You can't say that because some things were crap before that all things are equally crap. They're not. There's a zillion objective measures of what a disaster this govt has been. But you've fallen for their greatest trick yet, to say everyone else would have been just as bad. They wouldn't.

Yes, the system is fucked, it's rigged, it makes hardly any sense and it isn't fit for purpose. Labour are dull as fuck and utterly uninspiring. But that doesn't get these lying thieving cunts off the hook.

I agree with most of that. But I wouldn't fall for the trick of repeating voting for the other 'cos the current lot are shit. And, yeah, track record matters Tories are shit and so are Labour. I started off by saying I wasn't inspired and I'm glad you agree with me.

 

[LarryHagman]

I was watching cunts on the telly tonight admitting they've been breaking the law by dumping shit in our rivers. I thought the regulators existed to protect consumer rights, not millionaire, foreign investors. Why aren't these cunts in prison? Why aren't we rioting? Wake up you fuckers, you're being had off and laughed at by thieves. Does no-one care?

 

[doctor_mac]

I was watching cunts on the telly tonight admitting they've been breaking the law by dumping shit in our rivers. I thought the regulators existed to protect consumer rights, not millionaire, foreign investors. Why aren't these cunts in prison? Why aren't we rioting? Wake up you fuckers, you're being had off and laughed at by thieves. Does no-one care?

Randomly, Fergal Sharkey seems to be the only person who cares.

 

[gene hughes]

Just goes to show how hard it is to find a good heart these days.

 

[Athens]

Just goes to show how hard it is to find a good heart these days.

Clean chalk stream so hard to beat

 

[gene hughes]

Bravo

 

[Atlas]

While Gaza is bombed with the explosive force of Hiroshima.
Tories embroiled in a 'rape' crisis.
Labour cllr are dropping like flies left right and centre.. it was Starmers to lose and looks like he's gonna have to pull off some serious PR to get people back on track.

 

[LarryHagman]

He's piss weak. Shit scared to have an opinion. It comes to something when an abhorrent cunt like Braverman is getting kudos for 'telling it like it is' whilst Starmer hangs around like an amoeba waiting to see what happens. The bloke's not worth a wank. He'll force these cunts on us for longer if he doesn't up his game.

 

[The Nomad]

He's piss weak. Shit scared to have an opinion. It comes to something when an abhorrent cunt like Braverman is getting kudos for 'telling it like it is' whilst Starmer hangs around like an amoeba waiting to see what happens. The bloke's not worth a wank. He'll force these cunts on us for longer if he doesn't up his game.

Nope.. because every time there is a labour storm. Along comes Braverman to take the attention away.

Tories are done..

 

[Atlas]

Homelessness is a lifestyle choice
Picks a fight with the met
Unauthorised articles criticising police

She's absolutely utterly bonkers.

He's gotta bin her off but the problem is they are chocka full of absolute idiotic morons and he can't replace her with a sensible person

 

[737Max]

Homelessness is a lifestyle choice
Picks a fight with the met
Unauthorised articles criticising police

She's absolutely utterly bonkers.

He's gotta bin her off but the problem is they are chocka full of absolute idiotic morons and he can't replace her with a sensible person

he wont mate because hes shit scared about how it will play out with the far right within the party.