The Ev - how NOT to run a football club
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Ah yes forgot Leicester were in the shit too
On the subject of teams who may be in the PSR shit next year, I took a high-level look at the surviving PL clubs, plus Leicester. Can't be arsed with Ipswich and whoever comes up via the play-offs as they'll almost certainly be shite and go back down anyway. Basically, I did a high-level PSR calc for each of the last two years and then assumed current year will basically duplicate 2022-23. I then compared those results to their absolute target of £105m losses, or £83m in the case of Leicester, Forest and Fulham, who each spent one of the last 3 seasons in the Championship.
There are a few teams who have probably been safe the last few years only because COVID adjustments gave them a better overall result. Those COVID-affected years should drop out this year.
SAFE
The following teams should have nothing to worry about:
Liverpool
Man City (until the 115 verdict, obvs)
Tottenham
West Ham
Bournemouth
Brighton
Palace
Brentford
LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDERS
These teams could be in the poop unless they better last season's financial results
Man United (Champions League group income may tip the balance)
Arsenal (probably OK given performance this year)
Wolves (probably OK after player sales at the start of the season)
Fulham (again, sale of Mitrovic may dig them out)
SHOULD BE FUCKED (BUT MAY GET OUT OF IT)
The numbers are not looking good for this lot...
Chelsea
Everton
Newcastle
Villa
Leicester (blown limit even before current year)
Forest (Johnson sale will help but may not be enough)
The fate of these clubs may rest on their ability to make significant player sales imminently, or, in the case of Chelsea, to get away with bending the rules on intra-group sales (2 years running).
There are a few teams who have probably been safe the last few years only because COVID adjustments gave them a better overall result. Those COVID-affected years should drop out this year.
SAFE
The following teams should have nothing to worry about:
Liverpool
Man City (until the 115 verdict, obvs)
Tottenham
West Ham
Bournemouth
Brighton
Palace
Brentford
LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDERS
These teams could be in the poop unless they better last season's financial results
Man United (Champions League group income may tip the balance)
Arsenal (probably OK given performance this year)
Wolves (probably OK after player sales at the start of the season)
Fulham (again, sale of Mitrovic may dig them out)
SHOULD BE FUCKED (BUT MAY GET OUT OF IT)
The numbers are not looking good for this lot...
Chelsea
Everton
Newcastle
Villa
Leicester (blown limit even before current year)
Forest (Johnson sale will help but may not be enough)
The fate of these clubs may rest on their ability to make significant player sales imminently, or, in the case of Chelsea, to get away with bending the rules on intra-group sales (2 years running).
Which in itself gives rise to an obvious opportunity to govern.
Should the [whatever governance body it is] warn clubs NOW that if they don't do x, y, z or DO do a, b, c then they will be auto docked points?
I think the regulator needs to work in the shadows - i.e. they should try to influence things behind the scenes - leave the football authorities to govern, but steer them in the right direction. The second they interfere directly with an individual club there will be murder. They should exercise influence over leagues, not clubs.
And we're still some way off a regulator even existing - the Bill hasn't passed and even when passed the appointment of a regulator is an optional thing. Chances are the country will be under new management before they get there.
Lolz at another season with Coleman and Young. They have nothing to spend. Nothing.
Coleman's turned the deal down according to some media reports. Talk about adding insult to injury.
That would be hilarious
City will not face relegation, the UK Government will make sure of that. What you will probably get is 15-20 point penalty, a freeze on transfers and and a 8 figure financial penalty. If you're expecting anything worse, don't hold your breath.
This will stop them winning a 5th title confirming the PL as a farmers League
www.nytimes.com
This will stop them winning a 5th title confirming the PL as a farmers League
Man City's Premier League charges discussed by UK government and Abu Dhabi
The UK government has admitted its embassy in Abu Dhabi and the Foreign Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) in London have discussed the charges levelled at Manchester City by the Premier League, but are refusing to disclose the correspondence because it could risk the UK’s relationship...
www.nytimes.com
If they are found guilty and get a slap on the wrist, how do you think the other 19 clubs in the league will feel about it at the following shareholders meeting?
City aren’t a big thing for the league. They aren’t Chelsea, Arsenal, Scum and definitely not us. They are no marks. They don’t bring to the game.
City aren’t a big thing for the league. They aren’t Chelsea, Arsenal, Scum and definitely not us. They are no marks. They don’t bring to the game.
City will not face relegation, the UK Government will make sure of that. What you will probably get is 15-20 point penalty, a freeze on transfers and and a 8 figure financial penalty. If you're expecting anything worse, don't hold your breath.
This will stop them winning a 5th title confirming the PL as a farmers League
Man City's Premier League charges discussed by UK government and Abu Dhabi
The UK government has admitted its embassy in Abu Dhabi and the Foreign Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) in London have discussed the charges levelled at Manchester City by the Premier League, but are refusing to disclose the correspondence because it could risk the UK’s relationship...
If they don't get worse, I'm actually done with top flight football.
The Government will pressurise the FA to make sure any punishment they give does not upset the UAE Royal Family. The FA will tell the other teams and the world what ever team is met out is groundbreakingly harsh for the PL.
Well drop your interest now as they won't get anything close to what you want
A few weeks ago several YouTubers received cease and desist letters after the media went all quiet on it. All of a sudden the press mention it all the time now. Which is weird.
How often do the Premier League tell the FA to go fuck themselves? All the time. Do you think we would just take it on the chin? Arsenal? Man U? Everton & Forest after their deductions? What about the likes of Palace who have balanced the books alongside all the other sides.
The Premier League is made up of these clubs. They can really do what they want to a certain extent. If enough voted for it, they would just kick City out.
seems like city have more lawyers than fans
I'll believe it when I see it. They've paid their way into the group of clubs not to be trifled with. They'll get a slap and that's all.
Don't think he can. THat's the whole point of an "option", the other party has no say
Seamus is 36 in October (€2.8m) and Cole is 38 in a few weeks (€2m).
What do they expect out of this? No-one is going to buy them and they should easily be replaced from the U23s for less than or the same salary surely
Coleman this season has been in the EPL squad 18 times (Starting: 7, Substitute: 5, Watching:6)
What do they expect out of this? No-one is going to buy them and they should easily be replaced from the U23s for less than or the same salary surely
Coleman this season has been in the EPL squad 18 times (Starting: 7, Substitute: 5, Watching:6)
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I truly believe they will be made an example of. If not to stop the rest of the clubs being pissed off, but to protect the “product” of the league. Any time someone mentions city’s records it will be associated with cheating. 4 titles on the bounce. Cheating. Treble. Cheating. Auguerroooooo. Cheating.
If found guilty they will be relegated. Not just down to the Championship.
The Premier League will do what it can to protect the Premier League.
What will replace it for you ?
Other sports and taking my son to lower league games.
i’m doing this when my boys are old enough to take an interest, especially the sunday league stuff at local playing fields where we can bring a ball ourselves
i really hope you’re right but i can see both parties wanting to bury the cheat chat and get on with minimal fuss
He's fucking delusional.
I’m pretty sure both would like it all to go away, especially when you consider the cease and desist letters. It won’t happen though. In the modern world, it will always be out there and will always be used against them. There’s also a risk it would alienate a lot of fans. Which in turn hurts their pockets.
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