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So with everyone fully fit how do you think we'll line up in 3-5-2 and a 4-2-2-1-1

I'm guessingg 3-5-2 will be like this

-------------------------------------Ming---------------------------------------

---------------Toure-------------Sahko-----------Agger-------------------

Johnson-------------------------------------------------------------Cissoko

---------------------------Gerrard-------Lucas------------------------------

-----------------------------------Coutinho-----------------------------------

---------------------------Sturridge----Suarez------------------------------

I'd rather Skrtel for Agger with Sahko on the left of the 3 and Hendo for Lucas and possibly Enrique for Cissoko but the rest looks nailed on.

4-2-2-1-1

-------------------------------------Ming-------------------------------------

Johnson--------------Toure---------------Sahko-------------Cissoko


---------------------------Gerrard-------Lucas----------------------------

Moses-------------------------------------------------------------Suarez

-----------------------------------Coutinho-----------------------------------

-----------------------------------Sturridge----------------------------------

Again you could swap a couple of players around but it picks itself in the most part.

Sahko cost a bomb and Toure seems the true leader on the pitch so I think bout will play until they get injured.
We don't have Europe or the league cup, so 1 game a week doesn't lend itself to the need for squad rotation very much. Normally with the demand of games you talk about squads but with us playing whay maybe as little as 41/42 games this year we may not need to rotate much at all apart from injuries.
 
I don't BR will sacrifice having Suarez and Sturridge upfront, which means we'll probably see the 3-5-2 a lot this season, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if we adapt to it well. Using this formation is probably why we looked a lot more comfortable than before in the second halfs against United and Sunderland.
 
As others have noted, GJ and Cissokho are made to play in this formation. That FB converted from a winger that we were chasing half the summer (can't remember his name but I think it turned out Madrid were tracking him and fucked the deal) may also have been identified with this formation partly in mind. Certainly BR said that he had decided over the summer to use this formation more. And signing a surplus of CDs was also to play this formation. Some people are thinking that we're playing it because we've too many CBs, but I think we have extra CBs because he wants this formation. Hopefully we get better at it.
 
with the players we currently have, 3-5-2 will best suit us. A few tactical tweeks and once the lads are comfortable with the system, we'll improve massively. Our ball retention and lack of killer instinct is currently an issue but I'm sure BR will address that.
 
I love how Sakho (and Toure too to some extent) is just a beast in the air. He seemed to nail everything that came close to him and I can't easily remember the last time we had a player like that. With this in mind I'm happy to see Sakho as the central CB of three, Toure should play on the right and that really only leaves Agger, so although Skrtel has played better than him this season he'd end up on the bench.

Unless of course we put Skrtel in at right CB and move Toure into DM with Lucas going to the bench :troll:
 
Someone correct me if I am wrong though I remember Agger being rubbish on the left of a back three and even four?
 
If we'd known we were playing 3-4-1-2, Downing should have been kept cos he's perfect for wingback, being a failed winger and all that.
 
Lastboyscout said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong though I remember Agger being rubbish on the left of a back three and even four?
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Don't recall seeing him play in a back three, but I've certainly seen him play LB and as a matter of fact I didn't think he looked too bad there. It isn't where he needs to play to be at his best though.
 
Frogfish said:
I love how Sakho (and Toure too to some extent) is just a beast in the air. He seemed to nail everything that came close to him and I can't easily remember the last time we had a player like that. With this in mind I'm happy to see Sakho as the central CB of three, Toure should play on the right and that really only leaves Agger, so although Skrtel has played better than him this season he'd end up on the bench.

Unless of course we put Skrtel in at right CB and move Toure into DM with Lucas going to the bench :troll:
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Another option is Sakho as the left-sided CB of the three, with Skrtel in the middle. In fact, on current form that's what I'd go with. It isn't as if the central CB of the three is the only one who heads the ball.
 
Judge Jules said:
Another option is Sakho as the left-sided CB of the three, with Skrtel in the middle. In fact, on current form that's what I'd go with. It isn't as if the central CB of the three is the only one who heads the ball.
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Indeed.
 
Judge Jules said:
Another option is Sakho as the left-sided CB of the three, with Skrtel in the middle. In fact, on current form that's what I'd go with. It isn't as if the central CB of the three is the only one who heads the ball.
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Whilst that is true if he is playing in the centre then he'll get to cover both left and right 😉 That said I think Toure's boots are spring-loaded so not quite such an imperative.

Yes, Agger was good at LB as far as I can remember. Though I have a nagging feeling he was at fault for a couple of goals.
 
Toure in the middle then with Skrtel to his right, maybe? As the right-sided CB of three, rather than full-time out wide at RB where he admittedly didn't cover himself in glory, I'd have thought Skrtel should be fine on this season's form.
 
I've learnt a lot this transfer window/beginning of season about how left sided central defenders can't play on the right and visa versa, but is it a given that a right or left centre back can play in the middle of a three without issue? This is all so much more complicated than I ever thought central defence could ever be.
 
Mystic said:
I've learnt a lot this transfer window/beginning of season about how left sided central defenders can't play on the right and visa versa, but is it a given that a right or left centre back can play in the middle of a three without issue? This is all so much more complicated than I ever thought central defence could ever be.
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I think it's down to the individual player (and how the role the gaffer wants that defender to play). If Skrtel was in there, he'll the last man in defense, with Toure and Sahko on the right and left pushing up more. If Agger was in there, he'd play as a libero, pushing up more than Toure and Sahko.
 
I think Skrtel is a bit like Carra in his ability to make a last-ditch goal-saving tackle or block; he is not afraid of putting his body on the line. He is at his best when a decisive intervention is needed. But he is not as good as Agger, Sakho and Toure at bringing the ball out of defense and I think Toure and Sakho both look more comfortable at pushing forward and harassing the opposition players when they they drop deep to receive the ball.

So with that in mind, if we stick with a back 3, I would play Skrtel centrally, Toure at RCB and Sakho/Agger at LCB. I think 3-4-1-2 has a lot going for it; it will allow our best attacking 3 to play all in the middle where they can do the maximum damage. The big question is whether we have wing backs who are capable of providing a real attacking threat AND enough energy to help out on defense. Johnson should be OK for this role, but I'm not so sure about the others at the moment.

However I agree with Rory's point in the preview that we don't need 3 CBs against Palace at home. We can and absolutely should sacrifice one CB for another attacking player up front in the next game. Especially since we don't have Coutinho back yet, which negates one of the big potential advantages of 3-4-1-2.
 
We'll probably stick with 3-4-1-2 cos of the players currently available and how it allows Sturridge and Suarez to play as a pair.
 
TSD said:
We'll probably stick with 3-4-1-2 cos of the players currently available and how it allows Sturridge and Suarez to play as a pair.
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We may well stick with it, but they can pretty much play as a pair in a 4-2-3-1 with Suarez anywhere along the 3.
 
It's an interesting discussion alright, but I'm of the controversial opinion that our starting 11 might change from time to time.

RADICAL I KNOW
 
Ryan said:
It's an interesting discussion alright, but I'm of the controversial opinion that our starting 11 might change from time to time.

RADICAL I KNOW
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Agreed with that; but given that we will play only once a week for much of this season, could it be possible that the team wont change much once we have all our players fit?
 
DHSC said:
Agreed with that; but given that we will play only once a week for much of this season, could it be possible that the team wont change much once we have all our players fit?
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Injuries
Form
Suspension
Quality of opposition
Home or Away
Tactics

Will all dictate the 11 we play and aren't a constant.
 
Ryan said:
Injuries
Form
Suspension
Quality of opposition
Home or Away
Tactics

Will all dictate the 11 we play and aren't a constant.
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Quality of opposition shouldn't matter in the league as every team is capable of beating us, it should be strongest possible every week.
 
I don't think it is a ridiculous notion to imagine which 11 theoretically best fits a particular system. And Dreamy's first 11 is almost certainly going to be BR's favoured 11 all things being equal.

So it is fairly obvious to most, I think, that the 3-4-1-2 system is made for Cissokho and GJ as WBs, and all being fit, Coutinho, Studge and Suarez picks itself. I have to say, that front three is mouth-watering.
 
its really refreshing to see us play 3-5-2 - i have loved this formation since the days of uncle Roy. variety is the spice of life, seeing different formations interact is much more interesting than standard formations cancelling each other out.

Maybe we will set a trend, the beginnings of the 4-3-3 which I think Mourinho introduced.

With Glenjo as rwb and Coutinho in the hole, it could be very special.

Unfortunately, history suggests that 3-5-2 teams don't win titles or do that well in england - maybe BR will prove it wrong since we have 3 outstanding cb's and two brilliant strikers.
 
Enrique is making a very big case to remain as the first choice LWB, even when Cissokho returns.
 
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