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The race for fourth could be the race for third

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If Chelsea win the Champions League but finish outside the top four then the team finishing fourth drops to the Europa League.

So as it stands & if Chelsea win the champions league:

ECL: Man U/Man C/Arsenal (Group) & Chelsea (Qualifiers)
Europa League: Liverpool (Group), Newcastle (First Round) & Spurs (3rd Rd Qualifiers)
 
Chelsea will not win the champions league the Germans will do it and it's at their home ground.
 
I thought, as it stands, we're in the qualifiers of the Europa, not the group. We'll be in the group if we win the FA cup?
 
I thought, as it stands, we're in the qualifiers of the Europa, not the group. We'll be in the group if we win the FA cup?

If Chelsea win the ECL (as I postulated in the OP) then we get the FA Cup berth and our LC place goes to the 2nd qualifying team in the league.
 
Didn't know that. Let's win the FA Cup anyway then they'll be no conflict in cheering on Bayern 2 weeks later, eh?
 
Saturday's game is not just about Saturday. The cup final's result will have ramifications for next season, something that was first the case for Wolves with the introduction of the European Cup Winners' Cup (deceased) in 1960-61. It would be preferable if the FA a few years back had tried to persuade UEFA that our cup winners should take up a Champions League place, but a Europa League slot will have to suffice.

You may point out that Liverpool and Chelsea have already qualified for that competition for next season, the Reds through the Carling Cup and the Blues via a minimum sixth-place finish, with the latter hoping to retain their place in the Champions League by winning the final against Bayern in Munich on May 19. But unlike the old days there is qualification and then there is qualifying.

If Liverpool have to rely on their penalties victory against Cardiff then they will be playing in the Europa League's third qualifying round on August 2 and 9 - in the middle of the Olympics - and hoping to make the play-offs on the 23rd and 30th. If the Reds complete a cup double, though, then they will have a bye into the group stages. These calculations are reliant on UEFA sticking by the existing access list, but that is highly likely.

Chelsea could just still finish third or fourth but if they complete a losing cup double and qualify for Europe as the Premier League's sixth team, then it is they who will have to face those aggravatingly timed knock-out games.

If Liverpool win at Wembley and Chelsea win the big one in Munich or achieve a domestic miracle then one team qualifying via the Premier League will be in the play-off, another in the third qualifying round. Otherwise, one of the cup finalists will face a badly disrupted pre-season, with the need to be at competitive level a fortnight earlier than their domestic rivals.

No manager will want to have an early-season embarrassment on their record. The Europa League lacks a degree of glamour but if you have a modern-sized squad then you need competitions in which to rotate and the larger the club, the more you make simply by staging matches.

Winning the cup is all about glory but if you lose the final you would rather forget about it. There is a decent chance that Saturday's runners-up will be reminded about it through every step of a premature pre-season and via matches they would really, really wish to do without.
 
If Chelsea win the ECL (as I postulated in the OP) then we get the FA Cup berth and our LC place goes to the 2nd qualifying team in the league.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/europa-league-next-season-190512.page

From Tottenham's website:

We will take our place in the UEFA Europa League next season following Chelsea's win against Bayern Munich in the final of the Champions League.

Our fourth-place finish in the Premier League initially secured a place in the play-offs for the Champions League next season.

However Chelsea, who finished sixth, now take that place as competition winners after finishing outside the Premier League's top four this season.

We will enter the Europa League at the group stage, commencing on September 20. The draw for the group stage is August 31.
 
I don't think the Chelsea result changes anything for us.

We start in the 3rd qualifying round (2 legs) and then a play off (2 legs).
 
Nope, we're in the 3rd qualifying round.

WHAT ABOUT THE UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE?
England has three places available, with The FA Cup winners entering at the Group Stage, the team finishing fifth in the Barclays Premier League entering at the Play-Off Stage, and the Carling Cup winners entering in the third qualifying round.

CHELSEA WIN UCL
Chelsea qualify for the Champions League, with their FA Cup Europa League place going to the highest-placed Barclays Premier League team which has not already qualified for Europe. Liverpool qualify for the Europa League through winning the Carling Cup...

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/european-qualification-permutations.html

So its the 3rd Qualifying round and then a play off for us.
Newcastle get straight into the play off.
Spurs go straight into the group stages

Draw for the 3rd qualifying round is 20th July
1st leg - 2nd August
2nd leg - 9th August
 
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