UK General Election 24/25

[dee]

True. And if the next four years is anything like the last four nothing is predictable. But the noise on the right must be to unify, cos that's what's cost them. It's normally the other way round.

The tories have been allover for my whole life - Thatcher and the 'wets', Cameron and the Brexiters, May vs Johnson, ERG (Bye Bye Baker 🙂 )

The question will be who will be able to pull the Tories back from the brink and stop the grass roots from being tempted by the Devil

 

[Atlas]

Gutted the Tories didn't start up and fight for Penny.
She held that sword aloft soo high.

 

[Atlas]

Steve Baker got heavily beaten in Wycombe :-D

He was salty all night mostly pissed off he couldn't run for leader of cons again.

Anyway, he's now 'free' and will spend his time jumping out of planes etc

See ya Baker

 

[Woland]

The tories have been allover for my whole life - Thatcher and the 'wets', Cameron and the Brexiters, May vs Johnson, ERG (Bye Bye Baker 🙂 )

The question will be who will be able to pull the Tories back from the brink and stop the grass roots from being tempted by the Devil

But they usually pull together at election time. This time for the first time there was a big enough split.

Anyway just read that the first law he passes is going to be to rebrand Staropramen as Starmerpramen. It's the first in a raft of huge positive changes

 

[dee]

But they usually pull together at election time. This time for the first time there was a big enough split.

Anyway just read that the first law he passes is going to be to rebrand Staropramen as Starmerpramen. It's the first in a raft of huge positive changes

No-one can ever pronounce it anyway so even less of a change

 

[Beamrider]

To be very important and to have a posh bank account

Whilst being a racist shit on the BBC where they're too sacred to tell him to stop being a racist shit.

 

[jexykrodic]

Looking at the numbers of the popular vote a continuation of this voting system surely cannot stand. Votes don't equal representation. Voter turnout was also the lowest for decades.

 

[Molbystwin]

Have to say I wish I'd stayed up to watch that.. Truss getting fucked off to the shit pile she should never have left in the first place...

 

[Atlas]

In 2015 UKIP got
3881099 votes
12.6% share


2024 Reform got
4102109 (so far)
14%

200k votes in 10 years isn't huge is it?
percentage share is similar.

Obv they now have 4 (maybe 5) MPs which is more than when it was UKIP.
But Greens also have 4
ind have 5

 

[Atlas]

Compare to the Greens:
2015 - 1.1m and 3.8%
2024 - 1.9m and 6.8%

Problem is the everyone is enamoured by the guy who chats shit but causes drama and good TV so they'll have a platform while Greens are not gonna get the platform

 

[singlerider]

Corbyn currently has the highest approval rating of any UK politician. Be surprised if Starmer gets as many votes as he got. People just aren't arsed about this election.

Ain't it something like 12M for Corbyn vs 9M for Starmer or similar?

 

[jexykrodic]

In 2015 UKIP got
3881099 votes
12.6% share


2024 Reform got
4102109 (so far)
14%

200k votes in 10 years isn't huge is it?
percentage share is similar.

Obv they now have 4 (maybe 5) MPs which is more than when it was UKIP.
But Greens also have 4
ind have 5

Labour won the popular vote, taking 33.9% of votes across the country.

In 1997, Tony Blair's Labour Party took 43.2% of the popular vote.

Less people voting. I think it's less a matter of outright votes but the 'electorate' becoming less and less engaged because the system doesn't reflect public concerns.

This business of voting out one set of technocrats for another is becoming ludicrous. We all know that in time this new set of uni grads will be hated and removed and so it goes.

 

[Beamrider]

In 2015 UKIP got
3881099 votes
12.6% share


2024 Reform got
4102109 (so far)
14%

200k votes in 10 years isn't huge is it?
percentage share is similar.

Obv they now have 4 (maybe 5) MPs which is more than when it was UKIP.
But Greens also have 4
ind have 5

The thing that's worrying for me is that 2015 was Brexit era, so that was the large part of UKIP's appeal. Now they're getting protest votes and support from people who don't like brown people crossing the Channel in dinghies, and who think the Tories aren't racist enough. And they've posted those numbers against the backdrop of a lower turnout.
I'd love to dismiss it as statistically insignificant, but I fear it isn't.
And if we think they get too much airtime already, imagine what it's going to be like now they have MPs, most of whom are already recognised names (although only Rupert Lowe isn't best-known for being an areshole).

 

[Beamrider]

But on the glass half-full side of things:

Truss
Mordaunt
Shapps
Rees-Mogg
Fabricunt

and others.

See ya!

 

[tomasjj]

The electorate is more fragmented, disenfranchised, including The non-voters. Compared to The last elections.

 

[tomasjj]

Who The fuck votes for Braverman? You must be a special kind of special.

 

[Athens]

Who The fuck votes for Braverman? You must be a special kind of special.

Sadists and dickheads?

 

[tomasjj]

The thing that's worrying for me is that 2015 was Brexit era, so that was the large part of UKIP's appeal. Now they're getting protest votes and support from people who don't like brown people crossing the Channel in dinghies, and who think the Tories aren't racist enough. And they've posted those numbers against the backdrop of a lower turnout.
I'd love to dismiss it as statistically insignificant, but I fear it isn't.
And if we think they get too much airtime already, imagine what it's going to be like now they have MPs, most of whom are already recognised names (although only Rupert Lowe isn't best-known for being an areshole).

Labour has left The working class behind though, same tendencies in other countries all over When it comes to Socio-democrat parties.
The party is The problem. They left people behind and became part of The establishment. Same here in Norway with our old Labour Party. And they wonder why they have gone from 40% support to about 18. Idiots.

Peoples costs are up all across, so populist pricks who suddenly realise politics is a lush gig, money and attention, take advantage and fan the flames of disappointed peoples frustrations, as socio-economic differences increase. Italy, Hungary, Germany, France, Sweden, Finland...you have it all over.

 

[The Nomad]

Who The fuck votes for Braverman? You must be a special kind of special.

Those who vote for reform.

 

[tomasjj]

Those who vote for reform.

I guess I answered my own question above.

 

[Squiggles]

Looking at the numbers of the popular vote a continuation of this voting system surely cannot stand. Votes don't equal representation. Voter turnout was also the lowest for decades.

It likely will outlast us all. For all it's flaws FPTP produces strong governments with the means to enforce their mandate. These arguments rise up every five years but the simple truth is no government who has won by a significant margin has any incentive to reform the electoral system.

 

[gene hughes]

Came in for the jokes/memes.

Left disappointed.

 

[jexykrodic]

It likely will outlast us all. For all it's flaws FPTP produces strong governments with the means to enforce their mandate. These arguments rise up every five years but the simple truth is no government who has won by a significant margin has any incentive to reform the electoral system.

I hadn't realized we'd had a strong government enforcing their mandate.

As for the electoral system hopefully sense prevails before it's changed by other means.

We may have another brexit moment when a weak government is forced into a referendum for example.

 

[Atlas]

Day one of a labour govt and it's been pissing down all day.
Omens.


I'm pleasantly in agreement with a lot of the posts ( as in positions and ppl in those positions of govt.. not posts on here, to clarify) so far today.
I like a lot of them.

Here's hoping that these manage to get things on the right track sharpish.

 

[singlerider]

Day one of a labour govt and it's been pissing down all day.
Omens.


I'm pleasantly in agreement with a lot of the posts ( as in positions and ppl in those positions of govt.. not posts on here, to clarify) so far today.
I like a lot of them.

Here's hoping that these manage to get things on the right track sharpish.

I mean ideologically they're shitty, but hopefully they might be slightly competent, which represents a marginal improvement I guess?

 

[MomoWASright]

Competent would be a magnificent improvement.

 

[StevieM]

They didn’t waste time on booting that ridiculous Rwanda scheme.

They should invoice the Tory party for the public money they wasted on it.

 

[MomoWASright]

They’re renationalising the railways as soon as possible as well as getting round the table with the junior doctors.

Tories in red yanno.

 

[dee]

They’re renationalising the railways

Really - missed that

 

[MomoWASright]

Louise Haigh pledged before the general election that her party would bring trains back into public ownership within five years.

Labour’s pledge to renationalise the railways would undo Sir John Major’s reforms from the 1990s, in which private operators took over the running of trains from the state.

Asked when the railways would be nationalised as she entered Downing Street for Sir Keir’s first Cabinet meeting, Ms Haigh told reporters: “As soon as possible.”