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What happens when you cross Fergie ......

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Rosco

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Amazing to see how vindictive he is, but we should really know this given his BBC stance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sam-wallace-ferguson-snr-might-have-had-his-revenge-but-darren-deserves-to-be-judged-on-his-own-record-2174699.html

Sam Wallace: Ferguson Snr might have had his revenge but Darren deserves to be judged on his own record
Talking Football: The message to anyone who might consider employing Darren was... you'll get players on loan while my son is in a job but if you sack him – watch out


One can only guess at Sir Alex Ferguson's reaction when he was told last week that his son Darren had been sacked by Preston North End but in my mind's eye it is like that scene in The Godfather when Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone is told that his eldest son Sonny has been shot at the toll booth by the Tattaglia family.

First there is disbelief. Then there is grief. Then Corleone decides to sue for peace, which is the point at which his story diverges from that of Sir Alex who, to put it bluntly, has very much gone for the revenge option.

Less than 24 hours after Darren's sacking, Sir Alex had called back Preston's on-loan Manchester United players Ritchie De Laet and Josh King early. Then it emerged that United were also looking into ending the season-long loan to Preston of midfielder Matty James. Preston's chairman, Maurice Lindsay, said he was "shocked".

Come Friday, Tony Pulis called back Stoke City's two loan players at Preston, Danny Pugh and Michael Tonge. Stoke insisted that they were simply covering themselves for a busy run of three games in eight days and no one will ever be able to prove otherwise. Curiously, neither Pugh nor Tonge were even on the bench for Stoke's win over Everton on Saturday

Already bottom of the Championship, Preston, without James in their team, lost at home to Derby County on Saturday, their 14th defeat of the season. They are now six points from safety and without four key players. Relegation beckons. Cue the Nino Rota soundtrack and the cutaway to the lone figure in his darkened office nodding with satisfaction.

You mess with one Ferguson, you mess with the whole family. The events of last week in the aftermath of Darren's sacking were a stark reminder of what happens to people when they displease Sir Alex. Ruthless? You bet.

Football can be a cruel business and no one will know that better than Darren Ferguson, who sadly finds himself out of work at a time of year when the rest of the world is clinking glasses and full of optimism. Yet one cannot help but feel that Darren has not been best served by his father's actions over the last five days.

It must be hard enough making your way as a coach when your dad is the most successful British manager of his generation and arguably of all time. Yes, the loan signings come in handy – Danny Welbeck was dispatched to Deepdale last season – but with the Ferguson surname there is no chance of being able to develop your career away from the spotlight.

By taking revenge on Preston last week Sir Alex may have reminded a struggling club who was boss – but what did it do for Darren? Once again, he was cast as his father's son rather than his own man. The message to any chairman who might consider employing Darren in the future was: you'll get United players on loan while my son is in a job but if you sack him – watch out.

After Preston lost to Middlesbrough on Wednesday, what turned out to be Darren's last game in charge, his response was phlegmatic. "As the manager, I've said many times that you have to take responsibility," Darren said. "There have not been enough wins. If someone were to decide they no longer wanted me here I suppose I couldn't have many complaints."

That does not sound like a man who thought that his record precluded him from the sack. As it turned out, Lindsay described Darren's response to being told he was dismissed as "very dignified".

Darren was generally regarded as having tried to set up a team that played decent, attractive football at Preston in a league that does not always reward the passing teams. Without the budget to compete with the top clubs in the Championship, keeping Preston competitive always requires a bit of a conjuring act.

But when you consider that his predecessor, Alan Irvine, was sacked almost exactly a year ago with his team in 16th place and eight points off the play-offs – having taken them to the play-offs the previous season – then, by that rule of thumb, Darren had been on borrowed time for a while.

Darren won two straight promotions in his first job with Peterborough United which marked him out as a young manager to watch and his sacking in November 2009 felt very harsh. He is inevitably asked about his father in every interview he does and answers with good grace but he must, like all managers, long for the day when he is judged on his own achievements.

Football, like so many businesses, is one that works on a system of strategic alliances, old loyalties, friendships and occasionally the premise that your enemy's enemy is your friend. In that context it is no surprise that Ferguson would wish to support his son with the loan of young United players, just as he has done so in the past with favoured former players of his who had become managers.

But if a battle needed to be fought with Preston then it needed to be fought by Darren who, the evidence suggests, had come to accept his fate at the club much quicker than his father did.

Sir Alex was, of course, once sacked himself, by St Mirren in 1978, and he did not take it well. Darren's reaction to his new year bad news suggests that – for all the upset it might have caused to his father – Ferguson Jnr is well capable of handling the ups and downs of life in the dugout.
 
Although the consequences of firing Darren will be known to club owners now he does bring the benefit of being able to say with certainty that if he is hired he can bring in some good youth players from United on loan which could be attractive to a struggling lower league team. (Aldershot!)
 
What Fergie and (apparently) Pulis did are disgusting but the thing about manager and their network/connections is always important. I remember reading a couple of days how this is one of the three criteria in their choice of manager for Motherwell. Besides, there's obviously recall clause added to the loan deals (else it'll be our case on Hull-Ayala loan). The ugly part was the pace in which the players were recalled by their parent clubs and how Fergie seemingly 'influenced' Pulis in his decision.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=43387.msg1241814#msg1241814 date=1294051851]
What Fergie and (apparently) Pulis did are disgusting but the thing about manager and their network/connections is always important. I remember reading a couple of days how this is one of the three criteria in their choice of manager for Motherwell. Besides, there's obviously recall clause added to the loan deals (else it'll be our case on Hull-Ayala loan). The ugly part was the pace in which the players were recalled by their parent clubs and how Fergie seemingly 'influenced' Pulis in his decision.
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Rafa had mostly enemies in the managers circle, did he not? It was also partly due to him doing reasonably well.
 
Haven't heard of him falling out with managers during his time in Spain and Italy though. 😛

Anyway, in reference to Preston and 'smaller' clubs, connections and networks are certainly important.

“There are three things we are looking for,†revealed Weir. “We want someone who is well known in the lower leagues of England, because that has worked well for us in the past in terms of finding players we can afford.

“People who have a network in terms of bringing in loan signings, which again has worked well for us.

“And then people with experience, either in the Scottish or English game.
 
It must be a bit annoying for the players, being treated like pawns in such a way.
 
I dont think theres anything wrong in this at all.
If my family member got a job and asked for my help id help, and if he was sacked from that job i would instantly withdraw all support in a heartbeat. He wasnt doing preston a favour he was doing his son a favour thats precisely why clubs look for managers with connections.
Its good to know that 3 of Uniteds starlings are so shit they couldnt get Preston out the mire though.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43387.msg1241849#msg1241849 date=1294056640]
I think it's Pulis who looks like the biggest cunt in all this.
[/quote]All English managers are cronying fawning cunts. He's like Vodemort.
 
United's next match is Stoke. I suspect the normally loudmouthed Pulis to remain silent at this one as he surrenders the 3 points.

Incidentally Oncy I always thought that the idea of loaning players was for the benefit of your players, not the manager or the club they are loaned to.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=43387.msg1241853#msg1241853 date=1294057250]
United's next match is Stoke. I suspect the normally loudmouthed Pulis to remain silent at this one as he surrenders the 3 points.

Incidentally Oncy I always thought that the idea of loaning players was for the benefit of your players, not the manager or the club they are loaned to.
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The player would benefit from joining the majority of clubs in the division though but choosing to loan them to Preston was to the benefit of the manager. If he wasn't the manager at Preston then Fergie might have even decided to keep them to train with the Utd youth team.
 
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=43387.msg1241853#msg1241853 date=1294057250]
United's next match is Stoke. I suspect the normally loudmouthed Pulis to remain silent at this one as he surrenders the 3 points.

Incidentally Oncy I always thought that the idea of loaning players was for the benefit of your players, not the manager or the club they are loaned to.
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The player would benefit from joining the majority of clubs in the division though but choosing to loan them to Preston was to the benefit of the manager. If he wasn't the manager at Preston then Fergie might have even decided to keep them to train with the Utd youth team.
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I know that. Im just pointing out what a cunt ferguson is.
 
Wow, amazing news! Slur Alex is a fucking cunt, his son is a fucking cunt, Tony Pulis is a fucking cunt, and anyone who admires, likes, knows personally, or doesn't want him to die immediately is a fucking cunt.

You learn something new every day
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43387.msg1241869#msg1241869 date=1294059749]
Wow, amazing news! Slur Alex is a fucking cunt, his son is a fucking cunt, Tony Pulis is a fucking cunt, and anyone who admires, likes, knows personally, or doesn't want him to die immediately is a fucking cunt.

You learn something new every day
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It never ceases to amaze though, the lengths that they go to.
 
Didn't Woy say Fergie more or less slammed the phone down on him when he told him he was taking over??

I'd have thought he'd have been made up.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=43387.msg1241848#msg1241848 date=1294056575]
I dont think theres anything wrong in this at all.
If my family member got a job and asked for my help id help, and if he was sacked from that job i would instantly withdraw all support in a heartbeat. He wasnt doing preston a favour he was doing his son a favour thats precisely why clubs look for managers with connections.
Its good to know that 3 of Uniteds starlings are so shit they couldnt get Preston out the mire though.
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It can't be seen accurately in isolation though. It's yet another example of Ferguson the great I Am throwing his weight about (and being allowed to get away with doing so by the football authorities when he shoots his mouth off at officials, gets his players to do so and refuses to meet his obligation to talk to the Beeb).
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=43387.msg1300072#msg1300072 date=1300211165]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/preston/9424326.stm

Preston North End chairman Maurice Lindsay tells Late Kick off that his side "paid the price for terminating the contract" of Sir Alex Ferguson's son.
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I'm quite surprised that this has slipped by generally unnoticed. It's pretty awful really - no matter which way you look at it. Gene was right though - it does make Pulis look a complete cunt. It's obvious he was influenced by ginsoak (who everyone know's is a complete cunt). I wonder how many other PL managers he has this power over. Fat Sam is not managing now but you just know he had him in his pocket. Fat head as well no doubt, Maybe Hughes? hmmmmmmm.....

*strokes beard*
 
Peterborough boss Darren Ferguson has hit back at critics who say he is relying on player handouts from his father to build a team capable of thriving in the Championship.

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has allowed highly-rated midfielder Ryan Tunnicliffe and centre-back Scott Wootton to join Posh on loan.

The Barclays Premier League champions also sold striker Nicky Ajose to Peterborough.

Ferguson junior, who also took United players on loan during his previous stint as Preston boss, told the Evening Telegraph: "The comments don't bother me in the slightest.

"Every club has the right to go in for these players, but my father knows they will be in good hands with us and that we will try and improve them. Many managers use their contacts in the game to get players in on loan so it's not an issue for me at all.

"We have paid for Ajose anyway so that's a different matter, but I'm just happy that we have two lads with huge potential on loan at the club."
 
MANCHESTER UNITED goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak claims Sir Alex Ferguson has blocked a loan move to Leeds.

Polish stopper Kuszczak is out of the first-team picture at Old Trafford.

And Leeds are looking for a new No.1, after Paul Rachubka’s horror show in the 5-0 midweek defeat at home to Blackpool.

The Elland Road outfit made an approach but Kuszczak claims Ferguson blocked the deal and will only sanction moves to Doncaster or Sheffield United.

“A loan to Leeds was not possible because Alex Ferguson blocked it,” Kuszczak said.

"I could only go to Doncaster or Sheffield United.”

So instead of going to a club fighting for promotion, he's limited to 2 choices - relegation battling in Championship or League One football.
 
That's possibly for the players benefit, the Utd & Leeds fans hate one another, so it may have tarnished his OT reputation to play for Leeds.
 
Quite. This wasn't done for the player's benefit. I doubt Kuszczak's much exercised about his OT reputation any more anyway.
 
It's certainly a family trait, the vindictiveness. I'm reliably informed that Ginsoak was ready to speak to the BBC again quite a while ago - probably because he was bothered by the record-breaking fines he was eventually going to have to pay for ignoring them - but he wife was the problem. It took several months more before he could persuade her - who was most angered by the Panorama documentary - to let him end the boycott.
 
Interesting to see that our ref from the WBA game, Lee Mason, was part of the guard of honour for the 25th anniversary along with his officials.

Cue a penalty being given against them, again not given by Mason, which was overturned after most of the Utd team had surrounded him. Amazingly it appears that overturning it was the right decision BUT would that have happened anywhere else? I very much fucking doubt it.

Why on earth were the ref and the officials in the guard on honour? That's just plain fucking wrong.
 
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