Why aren't we more excited about Origi?

[Mamma Mia]

Ok, so it's been almost 4 years since I posted this topic the first time, and I will concede he didn't hit the world class hights I hoped for.

But maybe the question now is Why aren't we more excited satisfied with Origi?

He has his limitations sure, but he's never complained, plays whatever role he's asked to, is humble, intelligent, and a seemingly great guy.

He's on relatively low wages, and he will drop down in the order as we sign better players, but the lad smashed one in to knock Barca out on our way to No. 6, and scored the winning goal in the CL final to boot.
He's won us important points and been a part of our massive success whether you like it or not.

I get wanting us to have a good enough squad that we don't have to depend on him starting, but I cannot wrap my head around why some people actually seem to dislike him or want him gone.

My best guess is that some of y'all are just jealous of his tremendous cock.

 

[Frogfish]

My best guess is that some of y'all are just jealous of his tremendous cock.

Talking from personal experience ?

 

[RedStar]

I like him, he just doesnt seem to fit the system. Hes been tried in a number of different roles and none quite work. If hes happy to be a bench warmer through his prime Ive no problem with himstaying but it feels like hes getting pushed further down the hierarchy so it may just be one of those scenarios where a move suits all parties.

 

[Richey]

I’m not sure anyone hates him or anything like that. He’s obviously scored some important goals and has been an active part of the squad while we have won the league and Champions League, so he’s done a decent job overall.

Being satisfied with him is another matter. There clearly are better players, so it’s only natural to want to have those better players isn’t it?

If Mane, Salah and Firmino are always available and always playing well then yeah, someone like Origi probably is all you need as back up. But that’s unlikely to always be the case. Would anyone really be that happy if we had to rely on Origi for a long run of games? Or does anyone really think that Origi will actually put pressure on the front three for a starting place?

 

[gkmacca]

The problem with Divok is surely that, because we know how good he CAN be, he's incredibly underwhelming when he falls so far short of his best. After seeing him on that run of games in Klopp's first season, when, before he was crocked, he looked really promising, it just makes you a bit perplexed by the way he can wander through games looking so out of sorts.

 

[Fabio]

Milner covers it in his book doesn't he? Says divock is the most laid back person ever.

Perhaps that's the issue?

We love blood and thunder from our players, to constantly chase and pressure. Perhaps his mellow vibe stops this level of intensity. Even against Lincoln, there were times where he could have got to a ball but he looked like he couldn't be arsed

He's a more than competent striker, with decent versatility, but our team and system is dependent on every fucking player bursting blood vessels for every ball. He sticks out like a sore thumb in that regard

 

[Judge Jules]

I hope he sticks around. Whether or not he can now hit the heights again may be in doubt but, as long as he's OK with being a squaddie, I can't see us finding a better one for sensible money. That's some collection of important goals he has to his credit, and he's an ideal character to have around the club too.

 

[RedStar]

The problem with Divok is surely that, because we know how good he CAN be, he's incredibly underwhelming when he falls so far short of his best. After seeing him on that run of games in Klopp's first season, when, before he was crocked, he looked really promising, it just makes you a bit perplexed by the way he can wander through games looking so out of sorts.

I think hes always been kind of streaky, like alot of forwards. When hes running hot the more obvious flaws in his game seem inconsequential, but when hes in a cold spell he looks very awkward and illsuited to the way we play.

 

[RedStar]

I hope he sticks around. Whether or not he can now hit the heights again may be in doubt but, as long as he's OK with being a squaddie, I can't see us finding a better one for sensible money. That's some collection of important goals he has to his credit, and he's an ideal character to have around the club too.

Is Brewster potentially a better squad player for less wages? With Jota in the squad we really shouldn't be seeing Origi wide left anymore

 

[Rosco]

He's absolutely fine as a squad player and a threat off the bench, but the more he plays the more you see his limitations.

 

[Markeh]

The only problem I have with divock is that I don't want to see him play wide left and that's not his fault.

He's also so different from Bobby that they're in no way interchangeable, it'd upset many a players game to play alongside div.

 

[Frogfish]

I hope he sticks around. Whether or not he can now hit the heights again may be in doubt but, as long as he's OK with being a squaddie, I can't see us finding a better one for sensible money. That's some collection of important goals he has to his credit, and he's an ideal character to have around the club too.

I don't see why not. And it depends on what you mean by sensible money. I'd still be happy if we went and spent £50-60m on a pacey high quality forward.

I'd much rather a better player that is able to rotate into the front three without a drop-off in quality. 4 players fighting for three slots but all getting enough minutes per season to keep them satisfied (which surely is possible with subs on/off, and 4-5 competitions. Plus of course it's great cover for injuries.

Werner could have been that player. However, whoever it is needs to be much better than Origi because he certainly isn't that player.

 

[Judge Jules]

Two questions there RedStar, perfectly fair ones. My answers would be:

(a) It's quite possible that Brewster does have more potential, but he also has more potential to raise useful money in the market.

(b) Certainly Jota should take precedence in a straight choice between the two for wide left, but I'd still have big Divock on the bench - Jota might be needed elsewhere in the side, and IMHO Divock's better down the middle anyway when he's on his game.

 

[Judge Jules]

I don't see why not. And it depends on what you mean by sensible money. I'd still be happy if we went and spent £50-60m on a pacey high quality forward.

I'd much rather a better player that is able to rotate into the front three without a drop-off in quality. 4 players fighting for three slots but all getting enough minutes per season to keep them satisfied (which surely is possible with subs on/off, and 4-5 competitions. Plus of course it's great cover for injuries.

Werner could have been that player. However, whoever it is needs to be much better than Origi because he certainly isn't that player.

It clearly does depend on one's definition of "sensible" because for £50-60 mill.I'd want a player capable of reaching the level of our current first choice front three. I doubt Divock can, but I don't think he needs to in order to justify his place in the squad and on the bench. Not even Citeh have a whole squad of totally interchangeable forward options.

 

[mwake]

Lawd how are man u winning this?

 

[MomoWASright]

Because origi doesn’t play for Brighton.

 

[bluebell]

If I had to choose between Ox and Origi, I would choose Origi all the time as he is available. Matip, Shaq and Ox are jut walking sick notes, there's no point having a player who is only fit for 10 games a season.

 

[Donavan Ried]

For my he when from being average to really good to back to average for no real reason. He use to take on and speed pass defenders to hardly taking on defenders...

He has it in his locker to be a very good striker and great back up to Mane (plays better from the left) but he seem to now want to put in little to no effort. It is almost like he feels that he will never be first choice so he is not really trying...

I don't know, but I feel that it is more in his head than a lack or fitness or something else

 

[Squiggles]

I'm honestly really disappointed with him. The same attitude that makes him happy to be a squad player is also the reason he is a squad player.

He had all the ingredients to be a decent top level player, but I think a combination of his bad injury and his general laissez-faire attitude has hurt his prospects. Now Minamino and Jota are here I'm more than happy to see him sold for a young, pacey winger.

 

[rurikbird]

We're a little bit spoiled, aren't we? In my years supporting Liverpool, I've seen quite a few strikers who had no pace, next to no skill, sometimes horrible attitude and couldn't put the ball in the net if their life depended on it. Origi would have been an improvement on a lot a them, it's just now he's always compared to 3 all-time greats in front of him and each time he comes in he has to overcome lack of match sharpness and still try to deliver a goal, which he often does. You can't really ask for much more.

The reason I wanted Origi to move on is that I think at his age he should be playing regularly and he'd be a better player for it. But I have no problem with him staying and I do like and appreciate him. Sometimes all you need to win is a player who won't faff about and will just lash the ball into the net as soon as sees an opening and he's done it for us time and time again.

 

[moron]

We're a little bit spoiled, aren't we? In my years supporting Liverpool, I've seen quite a few strikers who had no pace, next to no skill, sometimes horrible attitude and couldn't put the ball in the net if their life depended on it. Origi would have been an improvement on a lot a them, it's just now he's always compared to 3 all-time greats in front of him and each time he comes in he has to overcome lack of match sharpness and still try to deliver a goal, which he often does. You can't really ask for much more.

The reason I wanted Origi to move on is that I think at his age he should be playing regularly and he'd be a better player for it. But I have no problem with him staying and I do like and appreciate him. Sometimes all you need to win is a player who won't faff about and will just lash the ball into the net as soon as sees an opening and he's done it for us time and time again.

This is spot on, I have ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES with Origi, and consider myself one of his biggest supporters, I love the guy and guess what ? - he does excite me when he gets the ball, because he can actually directly take on an opposition defender if he wants to, he has all the qualities you would want in a striker and if that goal in the CL final or his goals against Barca does not convince you that he is quality then your pretty much fucked in the head. When called upon - he has delivered for us, and is the perfect backup because actually we don't play with strikers do we ? - we depend on a bunch of converted winger/goal-scorers and another guy who hardly ever scores these days but links the other two together.

 

[mark1975]

Can being able to do it and actually "doing it" is the big irritation with Origi though. He can look top class one minute and a passenger the next. He definitely doesn't have the same work ethic off the ball as the regular front three and if he's not learned that by now, he's not likely to.

I'm a big fan, but like someone else said, he sticks out like a sore thumb when he plays, because he doesn't play in tandem with our system and intensity. If he's happy to stay and play a bit part, fair play, but I'm sort of intrigued to see what he would now do at a mid-level Premiership club, playing more regularly.