Xabi Alonso

[The Nomad]

A few other things…

That Bayern team is going to get raided by BM. Crazy money. Like what happened to Dortmund.

No point in Xabi staying. The team will be disassembled.

Kids are all teenagers. Hard to move teenagers. But He knows he’d be at Pool for a few seasons. BM? Could be gone in a season like TT.

Pool is better for a fam. But hard to move teenagers. It’s leverkusen or pool.

But because that team is about to be raised I’d have to say Pool - unless RM come in

I think the Ancellotti extension was given with the view to getting Alonso next season.

They've kinda hamstrung themselves, as Ancellotti gave up the Brazil job for it.

If he comes here (and I'm in the camp that thinks the probability is in our favour). Then I can't wait for every time the Madrid becomes available while Xabi is here.. that AS, Sport et al. Run a story saying Xabi wants the job.. Xabi wants to leave Liverpool etc etc.

 

[Hyena]

Carlo Ancelotti has been talking up Alonso as the next Real manager for a year now. It does sound like a very attractive proposition

 

[Hansern]

He extended his contract 2 months ago though, so they arent going for Alonso this summer.

 

[Frogfish]

For me Paisley is the best manager of all time (eclipsing Ferguson). Shanks laid the groundwork but 20 trophies in 9 seasons is unprecedented and will likely never be surpassed (Guardiola has 10 in 6 seasons and just the 1 CL, he'd have to go some to beat Bob - and Bob didn't cheat) and is one of just two men to have won 3 European Cups.

Note the WCC (started 2000) and Inter Cup didn't exist or we didn't enter (Inter Cup started 1983) in Bob's day. Charity Shield rightly not counted.

Bob 2.1 trophies per season vs Ferguson 1.08
Bob 3 EC/CL in 9 seasons vs Ferguson 2 in 26 years
Bob 0.67 PL vs Ferguson 0.5 PL

 

[peterhague]

Ferguson is clearly the best ever because he did the Shankly part of building up a struggling club AND then converted that to 20 years of almost uninterrupted domination.

Most Liverpool fans don't even think Paisley is OUR best manager ever - they think it's Shankly.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Why would he need that if he wins a couple of titles with Leverkusen this season, including the league?

repeatedly winning league titles is a whole other ball game. It’s baffling how rose tinted some of our fans are being here. I’m not saying he’ll choose Bayern but there is absolutely sound logic in him doing so for a variety of reasons.

 

[Dreambeliever]

No we don't under estimate. We just don't fear what comes next. It's all set up for the next gen.. manager included.

Thanks to Jurgen Norbert Klopp

Grow a pair of balls and enjoy the ride.

Then stop being so narrow minded to think others like Xabi see how big it is to follow Klopp. Especially when there is such an easier route to winning a top 4 league in Europe title back to back

 

[The Nomad]

Then stop being so narrow minded to think others like Xabi see how big it is to follow Klopp. Especially when there is such an easier route to winning a top 4 league in Europe title back to back

Narrow minded? Look in the mirror mate.

 

[Hansern]

repeatedly winning league titles is a whole other ball game. It’s baffling how rose tinted some of our fans are being here. I’m not saying he’ll choose Bayern but there is absolutely sound logic in him doing so for a variety of reasons.

Rose tinted? Bayern are a chaotic club and Xabi might win the league for the first time with Leverkusen. Its baffling that you cant see why that makes us a better match for him.

 

[keniget]

This is such a dull back and forth. Will he, won’t he, will he, won’t he.. he will, he won’t, he will, he won’t…

 

[bluebell]

This is such a dull back and forth. Will he, won’t he, will he, won’t he.. he will, he won’t, he will, he won’t…

Pretty sure its the last thing on his mind, right now all he cares about is the next game. We have Klopp till May... the appointment of an SD is 1st... and we don't know who is on the shortlist or if they've interviewed anyone yet

 

[The Nomad]

Rose tinted? Bayern are a chaotic club and Xabi might win the league for the first time with Leverkusen. Its baffling that you cant see why that makes us a better match for him.

Mate, there's no point. He seriously doesn't see the flaw in his arguments.

May as well move on. His fingers are in his ears and he's saying la..la..la.. to anyone who tries to point out the reasons why he won't join Bayern.

 

[The Nomad]

Pretty sure its the last thing on his mind, right now all he cares about is the next game. We have Klopp till May... the appointment of an SD is 1st... and we don't know who is on the shortlist or if they've interviewed anyone yet

It's what you have agents for.

 

[Frogfish]

Ferguson is clearly the best ever because he did the Shankly part of building up a struggling club AND then converted that to 20 years of almost uninterrupted domination.

Most Liverpool fans don't even think Paisley is OUR best manager ever - they think it's Shankly.

Actually no he's not. We didn't have the same team for 9 years ! Bob also had to rebuild during his tenure - and clearly he won far far more trophies per season than Ferguson, double in fact and the 1st Division and EC at a far faster rate than Ferguson, so it's not even close on that metric.

As for Pool supporters saying Shanks - well that's because he built the team and took us to the top level and success but still it was just 6 trophies (3 titles) in 15 years and instilling the Boot Room mentality. It depends on how you value each achievement, on a trophy winning level there is no comparison.

 

[peterhague]

Actually no he's not. We didn't have the same team for 9 years ! Bob also had to rebuild during his tenure - and clearly he won far far more trophies per season than Ferguson, double in fact and the 1st Division and EC at a far faster rate than Ferguson, so it's not even close on that metric.

As for Pool supporters saying Shanks - well that's because he built the team and took us to the top level and success but still it was just 6 trophies (3 titles) in 15 years and instilling the Boot Room mentality. It depends on how you value each achievement, on a trophy winning level there is no comparison.

Do you think Dalglish was better than Shankly too? He won as many league titles and cups at like 3x the rate.

I can understand thinking it's a tough call between Shankly and Paisley, because one did the building so well and the other did the actual winning so well, and it's hard to compare those achievements. But when you've got a manager like Ferguson who did both parts really well, and over such an incredibly long period, and at two different clubs, then it's pretty obvious he's the best.

 

[Frogfish]

Do you think Dalglish was better than Shankly too? He won as many league titles and cups at like 3x the rate.

I can understand thinking it's a tough call between Shankly and Paisley, because one did the building so well and the other did the actual winning so well, and it's hard to compare those achievements. But when you've got a manager like Ferguson who did both parts really well, and over such an incredibly long period, and at two different clubs, then it's pretty obvious he's the best.

I rate Bob's trophy haul at twice the rate of that of Ferguson, as better. The BBC obviously thought there was something in it too. And it's not like it was just over 3-4 years, 9 years is a helluva long time, amid many personnel changes, to be winning 2.1 trophies per season.

Dalglish - again, as a trophy winning manager, yes, you can't deny facts. You are valuing longevity or changing a club's fortunes over the rate of success and trophy haul. I don't and as you clearly think differently there's nothing more to say.

 

[juniormember]

Anyone with even half a brain cell would be thinking that. He’d be following the greatest manager of the last 50 years. I sometimes think even our fans underestimate what a job Klopp has done. It’s absolutely possible that our team falls apart with 12 months of Klopp leaving.
It would be madness/huge balls to follow Klopp.

Honestly, you bring it onto yourself.

 

[peterhague]

I rate Bob's trophy haul at twice the rate of that of Ferguson, as better. The BBC obviously thought there was something in it too. And it's not like it was just over 3-4 years, 9 years is a helluva long time, amid many personnel changes, to be winning 2.1 trophies per season.

Dalglish - again, as a trophy winning manager, yes, you can't deny facts. You are valuing longevity or changing a club's fortunes over the rate of success and trophy haul. I don't and as you clearly think differently there's nothing more to say.

No I'm just saying they're both important but hard to compare. Given that Ferguson was almost as good at both as the other two were at either, then to me that's pretty conclusive.

 

[Dreambeliever]

This is such a dull back and forth. Will he, won’t he, will he, won’t he.. he will, he won’t, he will, he won’t…

Will he.

 

[LarryHagman]

Who's this Sporting Lisbon manager that the BBC computer says is better than Xabi? To be honest I know nothing about him. But is he a contender?

 

[737Max]

Who's this Sporting Lisbon manager that the BBC computer says is better than Xabi? To be honest I know nothing about him. But is he a contender?

only 39, won a league title with Sporting breaking up the Benfica/Porto dominance and has also won a few cups with them

 

[LarryHagman]

So is he good? Is he up there?

 

[LarryHagman]

Is he a Maureen or a Villas Boas?

 

[737Max]

Is he a Maureen or a Villas Boas?

well he didnt piss off like Villa Boas after 1 season in Portugal

 

[rurikbird]

My Portuguese mate says Amorim is overrated. A PR specialist like Mourinho, but a worse coach.

 

[King Binny]

Who's this Sporting Lisbon manager that the BBC computer says is better than Xabi? To be honest I know nothing about him. But is he a contender?

Besides Xabi, Amorim is the other name on my preferred list. He ticks a lot of boxes. (He would "know" Nunez and Diaz well too.)

Started following Amorim since 2022.

Other CL games

Hugo Lloris just prevented the goal of the season from Sporting’s Marcus Edwards.

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Other CL games

Hugo Lloris just prevented the goal of the season from Sporting’s Marcus Edwards.

www.sixcrazyminutes.com

Guided Sporting to 1st league title in 19 yrs inc. record 32-match unbeaten streak + some Portuguese League Cups while competing with financially stronger Benfica and Porto.

Developed/bringing the best out of players: Palhinha (rejoined after being on loan at Braga for 2 seasons), Nunes (signed for €500k & sold for €45m), Goncalves (23 goals in 32 league apps in his first season at the club, which happened to be the one they won their 1st title in 19 years), Porro (initially a loan move from Man City, signed for €8.5m & sold for €45m), Ugarte (signed for €6.5m & sold for €60m)

(notable) Debuts for: Mendes (sold for €38m), Inacio, Chermiti (sold for €12.5m after 22 1st team appearances)

‘He will be an unavoidable name in European football’ – Ruben Amorim, Europe’s next supercoach?

 

[Frogfish]

My Portuguese mate says Amorim is overrated. A PR specialist like Mourinho, but a worse coach.

And it's ... Portugal. Those that are saying "let Xabi prove himself at Bayern, he's only 'won' one BL" are probably aboard the Amorim train. Sheesh.

 

[King Binny]

Regarding why it will be shallow thinking to write him off cos of the league he manages in, previously shared by my thoughts here:

Poll - New Manager speculation

@dee Can we add Xavi Hernandez?

www.sixcrazyminutes.com

Anyway, let’s get this thread back to discussing Alonso.

 

[rurikbird]

Judging by how Ancelotti was talking up Xabi the other day, he now has a genuine 3rd option of staying at Leverkusen for another season or 2, playing in the Champions League with them and then replacing Don Carlo in Madrid.

It’s amazing how when you’ve proven you’re excellent at your job, there are seem to be only good options anywhere you look. Replace Klopp at Liverpool, try your hand at turnng around underperforming Bayern or continue your fairytale story at Leverkusen with a shot at the most successul club in history? Not a bad set of options for a rookie manager!

 

[King Binny]

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