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Premier League to vote on a ban on loaning players in from connected clubs in the January window (prompted by Newcastle's supposed interest in loaning Neves from a PIF-owned club). This will be a temporary measure, permanent fix to be agreed from Summer 2024 onwards.
 
Maybe limiting it to one over 21 would get traction with enough to pass?
 
Stevie MeBS also under pressure, because despite being the fourth highest paid manager on earth it turns out he's really fucking shit. Who'd have guessed?
 
Stevie MeBS also under pressure, because despite being the fourth highest paid manager on earth it turns out he's really fucking shit. Who'd have guessed?

Why not fire them, they've already done the job they were hired to do.
 
Use an AI trained on Opta stats and fantasy football data for all the decisions and just wheel Stevie and his dyed lego haircut out for the matches and when they have boxing on.
 
Wasnt Fowler sacked despite being top of the league and undefated? If you take on a job in that shithole I think job security is non existent.
 


This is why Mane left and why we didn't quite won as much as we could have. These two were never "Bezzies", but professional rivals playing for the same team.

If Salah had made the decision to pass here, we'd probably won another European cup. Ironically, he seems to be teeing up Darwin every other week to miss these sitters though.

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Roberto Firmino: the truth behind the Salah-Mané relationship at Liverpool

Brazilian reveals in this extract from his new book the tension that could rear up between his former attacking colleagues

Why did I pull that face? I don’t really know. But it was funny, that’s for sure. To this day, memes still arrive on my phone or get sent to me on social media. We were in the tunnel, heading back to the dressing room after a convincing 3–0 victory against Burnley. The atmosphere was obviously tense. Despite the good result, the game had been marked by a burst of fury from Sadio Mané when he was substituted in the final minutes.


The cameras caught everything. Sadio wasn’t only angry about being subbed off: a little earlier Mohamed Salah had attempted a shot on goal when he had a clear pass on to Mané, who was free inside the box. Well, my English isn’t wonderful, so I can’t tell you exactly what Mané shouted when he came off. But it wasn’t anything nice! James Milner tried to calm him down, but Sadio remained furious, sitting fuming on the bench, gesturing repeatedly.

Firmino’s face whilst being in the middle of Mane and Salah. pic.twitter.com/r01ra8SMCn

— Footy Humour (@FootyHumour) August 31, 2019
I knew those guys very well, maybe better than anyone. It was me out there on the field, right in the middle of them. I saw first-hand the looks, the grimaces, the body language, the dissatisfaction when one was mad at the other. I could feel it. I was the link between them in our attacking play and the firefighter in those moments. For many, that disagreement between Sadio and Mo was the first; for some, the first and last. But I knew it had been brewing since the previous season, 2018–19. My instinct and my duty was to defuse the situation between them. Pour water on the fire – never petrol.


Tense moments usually passed quickly. In the next game, one would be passing the ball to the other – or passing it to me, who would then pass it to the other – and we’d be celebrating another goal for our team. Together. Salah and Mané had had their little problems before, but that time everything happened on the field, there for the world to see. That day, at Burnley, the lid came off.

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Roberto Firmino consoles a ‘furious’ Sadio Mané after their substitutions at Burnley in August 2019. Photograph: Carl Recine/Action Images/Reuters
As we climbed the stairs coming off the field, the mood was heavy; there was none of the joy there should have been at another victory – our fourth in four Premier League games. And there I was again, in the middle of the two. Behind Salah and ahead of Mané in the tunnel, a camera looking right at us. When I saw it, I couldn’t help smiling, making a face that said something like: ‘Did you see that?! Things got heated between those guys today! Don’t worry, though. It’s nothing.’


Their argument wasn’t funny. Potentially, it could have caused problems for us. But that ironic face I made was the face of someone who knew it wouldn’t lead to anything serious. Maybe the Boss [Jürgen Klopp] and some others were worried. I wasn’t! I think the Liverpool fans, seeing my reaction, had a laugh, put their worries aside, and went to celebrate another victory with their friends.

I don’t know if he was aware of it or not, but Salah used to frustrate everyone when he didn’t pass the ball. I knew how to handle that situation better than most. Klopp addressed this issue in front of all of us: when a teammate was in a better position, the ball had to be passed. It was a clear hint aimed at Salah. Over the years, I must say, this aspect of his game improved significantly. He gradually learned to be less selfish and more cooperative – notwithstanding the fact that he is a striker, a goalscorer, and every goalscorer tends to be a bit ‘greedy’ in the pursuit of a goal. That’s normal.

Mané was more intense in both good and bad moments. He was the most explosive of the three of us and he was also the person with whom I had the most freedom to discuss this issue. I was always talking to him, giving advice, trying to calm him down. I would tell him to find peace, play for the team, and stay relaxed.


They were never best friends; each kept himself to himself. It was rare to see the two of them talking and I’m not sure if that had to do with the Egypt–Senegal rivalry in African competitions. I truly don’t know. But they also never stopped talking, never severed ties. They always acted with the utmost professionalism.

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‘Not in my wildest dreams could I imagine that it would work out like that,’ Jurgen Klopp said of signing Salah, Mané and Firmino for Liverpool. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/The Guardian
I never took sides. That’s why they love me: I always passed the ball to both; my preference was for the team’s victory. Many focus on what I brought to the attacking trio in tactical terms, but perhaps just as important was the human element: my role as peacemaker, unifier. If I didn’t do that, it would be nothing but storms between the two of them on the field.


Maybe that’s why I was the one most often substituted by Klopp. The three of us had very different personalities and the Boss knew I wouldn’t throw a bottle to the ground or anything like that. If I was bothered, I’d talk to him privately afterwards. When a substitution was needed, it was easier to take Bobby off than to upset either of the other two.

Everyone, including the other players, knew that’s how it worked. It was the worst-kept secret in Liverpool – naturally, no one ever asked what I thought or how I felt. That’s just my nature; the team comes first. The Boss knew it.

I arrived in Liverpool in the summer of 2015. Sadio Mané joined the following year and, in 2017, it was Mohamed Salah’s turn. None of us knew what was going to unfold in the five years we played together. Klopp once said, ‘Not in my wildest dreams could I imagine that it would work out like that.’ In football, clubs are constantly searching for the same thing: victories and sometimes titles. They have huge teams of scouts, performance analysts and use advanced software, all in the pursuit of finding the formula for success. It’s a sport that moves billions of fans, a lot of money and many hearts. Everyone seeks maximum return with minimal investment. But, still, you never know.

Football is wonderful because it’s impossible to anticipate or predict the magic that will unfold on the field when a boy from Egypt meets another from Senegal and one from Brazil. Only God knows; no one else. Not even Mr Klopp.

First, I should clarify something. Some people talked about how it was to my credit that I gave the number 11 shirt to Mo Salah when he arrived at the club and that helped the whole thing start off on the right foot. It looked like a selfless gesture that, in the context of the story of the trio I formed with those guys, fitted my style of play.

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Photograph: Quercus Books

I’ve always been seen as the most generous of the three, the attacker who did the dirty defensive work and played to make the duo shine in front of goal. It’s the perfect story, so very like me: Roberto Firmino, the nice guy who relinquished the number he wore at the club and gave it to his newly arrived colleague.

Sorry, folks, but it wasn’t like that at all. Or rather, it wasn’t exactly like that. I simply decided to wear the number 9. It had been available since the previous season, after Christian Benteke’s departure, but it was only in that summer of 2017 that I thought I could transition from being a false 9 to becoming the actual number 9.

Being Liverpool’s number 9 is no small thing. It’s a historic shirt that has been worn by club idols like Robbie Fowler, Ian Rush and Fernando Torres. Perhaps it took me a little while to realize that.

I wore the number 10 in the youth categories and later, at Hoffenheim, I switched from 22 to 10 when I had the opportunity. For Brazilians, and almost everywhere else in the world, the number 10 is the shirt of the star player, the shirt Pelé immortalised. But the number 10 at Liverpool belonged to my friend Philippe Coutinho. The number 9, it’s true, has always been a coveted shirt for Brazilians, worn by Ronaldo, and I did like it even though I had never worn it before. Now the time had come.

This is an extract from Sí Señor: My Liverpool years by Roberto Firmino (Quercus, £22)
 
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Roberto Firmino: the truth behind the Salah-Mané relationship at Liverpool

Brazilian reveals in this extract from his new book the tension that could rear up between his former attacking colleagues

Why did I pull that face? I don’t really know. But it was funny, that’s for sure. To this day, memes still arrive on my phone or get sent to me on social media. We were in the tunnel, heading back to the dressing room after a convincing 3–0 victory against Burnley. The atmosphere was obviously tense. Despite the good result, the game had been marked by a burst of fury from Sadio Mané when he was substituted in the final minutes.


The cameras caught everything. Sadio wasn’t only angry about being subbed off: a little earlier Mohamed Salah had attempted a shot on goal when he had a clear pass on to Mané, who was free inside the box. Well, my English isn’t wonderful, so I can’t tell you exactly what Mané shouted when he came off. But it wasn’t anything nice! James Milner tried to calm him down, but Sadio remained furious, sitting fuming on the bench, gesturing repeatedly.

Firmino’s face whilst being in the middle of Mane and Salah. pic.twitter.com/r01ra8SMCn

— Footy Humour (@FootyHumour) August 31, 2019
I knew those guys very well, maybe better than anyone. It was me out there on the field, right in the middle of them. I saw first-hand the looks, the grimaces, the body language, the dissatisfaction when one was mad at the other. I could feel it. I was the link between them in our attacking play and the firefighter in those moments. For many, that disagreement between Sadio and Mo was the first; for some, the first and last. But I knew it had been brewing since the previous season, 2018–19. My instinct and my duty was to defuse the situation between them. Pour water on the fire – never petrol.


Tense moments usually passed quickly. In the next game, one would be passing the ball to the other – or passing it to me, who would then pass it to the other – and we’d be celebrating another goal for our team. Together. Salah and Mané had had their little problems before, but that time everything happened on the field, there for the world to see. That day, at Burnley, the lid came off.

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Roberto Firmino consoles a ‘furious’ Sadio Mané after their substitutions at Burnley in August 2019. Photograph: Carl Recine/Action Images/Reuters
As we climbed the stairs coming off the field, the mood was heavy; there was none of the joy there should have been at another victory – our fourth in four Premier League games. And there I was again, in the middle of the two. Behind Salah and ahead of Mané in the tunnel, a camera looking right at us. When I saw it, I couldn’t help smiling, making a face that said something like: ‘Did you see that?! Things got heated between those guys today! Don’t worry, though. It’s nothing.’


Their argument wasn’t funny. Potentially, it could have caused problems for us. But that ironic face I made was the face of someone who knew it wouldn’t lead to anything serious. Maybe the Boss [Jürgen Klopp] and some others were worried. I wasn’t! I think the Liverpool fans, seeing my reaction, had a laugh, put their worries aside, and went to celebrate another victory with their friends.

I don’t know if he was aware of it or not, but Salah used to frustrate everyone when he didn’t pass the ball. I knew how to handle that situation better than most. Klopp addressed this issue in front of all of us: when a teammate was in a better position, the ball had to be passed. It was a clear hint aimed at Salah. Over the years, I must say, this aspect of his game improved significantly. He gradually learned to be less selfish and more cooperative – notwithstanding the fact that he is a striker, a goalscorer, and every goalscorer tends to be a bit ‘greedy’ in the pursuit of a goal. That’s normal.

Mané was more intense in both good and bad moments. He was the most explosive of the three of us and he was also the person with whom I had the most freedom to discuss this issue. I was always talking to him, giving advice, trying to calm him down. I would tell him to find peace, play for the team, and stay relaxed.


They were never best friends; each kept himself to himself. It was rare to see the two of them talking and I’m not sure if that had to do with the Egypt–Senegal rivalry in African competitions. I truly don’t know. But they also never stopped talking, never severed ties. They always acted with the utmost professionalism.

4560.jpg

‘Not in my wildest dreams could I imagine that it would work out like that,’ Jurgen Klopp said of signing Salah, Mané and Firmino for Liverpool. Photograph: Tom Jenkins/The Guardian
I never took sides. That’s why they love me: I always passed the ball to both; my preference was for the team’s victory. Many focus on what I brought to the attacking trio in tactical terms, but perhaps just as important was the human element: my role as peacemaker, unifier. If I didn’t do that, it would be nothing but storms between the two of them on the field.


Maybe that’s why I was the one most often substituted by Klopp. The three of us had very different personalities and the Boss knew I wouldn’t throw a bottle to the ground or anything like that. If I was bothered, I’d talk to him privately afterwards. When a substitution was needed, it was easier to take Bobby off than to upset either of the other two.

Everyone, including the other players, knew that’s how it worked. It was the worst-kept secret in Liverpool – naturally, no one ever asked what I thought or how I felt. That’s just my nature; the team comes first. The Boss knew it.

I arrived in Liverpool in the summer of 2015. Sadio Mané joined the following year and, in 2017, it was Mohamed Salah’s turn. None of us knew what was going to unfold in the five years we played together. Klopp once said, ‘Not in my wildest dreams could I imagine that it would work out like that.’ In football, clubs are constantly searching for the same thing: victories and sometimes titles. They have huge teams of scouts, performance analysts and use advanced software, all in the pursuit of finding the formula for success. It’s a sport that moves billions of fans, a lot of money and many hearts. Everyone seeks maximum return with minimal investment. But, still, you never know.

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Football is wonderful because it’s impossible to anticipate or predict the magic that will unfold on the field when a boy from Egypt meets another from Senegal and one from Brazil. Only God knows; no one else. Not even Mr Klopp.


First, I should clarify something. Some people talked about how it was to my credit that I gave the number 11 shirt to Mo Salah when he arrived at the club and that helped the whole thing start off on the right foot. It looked like a selfless gesture that, in the context of the story of the trio I formed with those guys, fitted my style of play.

1600.jpg

Photograph: Quercus Books
I’ve always been seen as the most generous of the three, the attacker who did the dirty defensive work and played to make the duo shine in front of goal. It’s the perfect story, so very like me: Roberto Firmino, the nice guy who relinquished the number he wore at the club and gave it to his newly arrived colleague.

Sorry, folks, but it wasn’t like that at all. Or rather, it wasn’t exactly like that. I simply decided to wear the number 9. It had been available since the previous season, after Christian Benteke’s departure, but it was only in that summer of 2017 that I thought I could transition from being a false 9 to becoming the actual number 9.

Being Liverpool’s number 9 is no small thing. It’s a historic shirt that has been worn by club idols like Robbie Fowler, Ian Rush and Fernando Torres. Perhaps it took me a little while to realize that.


I wore the number 10 in the youth categories and later, at Hoffenheim, I switched from 22 to 10 when I had the opportunity. For Brazilians, and almost everywhere else in the world, the number 10 is the shirt of the star player, the shirt Pelé immortalised. But the number 10 at Liverpool belonged to my friend Philippe Coutinho. The number 9, it’s true, has always been a coveted shirt for Brazilians, worn by Ronaldo, and I did like it even though I had never worn it before. Now the time had come.

This is an extract from Sí Señor: My Liverpool years by Roberto Firmino (Quercus, £22)


1. We didn't give Roberto any hassle for going to Saudi? Why?
2. Airing our laundry? Nah man, nah
 
Still, it confirms what many of us thought at the time, Salah and Mane didn't really like each other. Also, Mane wasn't alone in thinking that Salah was selfish.
 
1. We didn't give Roberto any hassle for going to Saudi? Why?
2. Airing our laundry? Nah man, nah

Because he wasn’t under contract.

A bit soon to be having a book come out - but it’s not really that surprising.
 
Still, it confirms what many of us thought at the time, Salah and Mane didn't really like each other. Also, Mane wasn't alone in thinking that Salah was selfish.
Does it?

What, from that 1 game at Burnley when Sadio was angry on the bench for Mo
not passing? That 1 game out of the 300 odd they played together in?
 
Not going to bother reading too much about it because I don't really care buuut... this doesn't really come as much of a surprise, does it?

It seemed like a bit of an open secret that those two had a "professional" relationship and nothing more.

And when Salah was in his phase of taking every opportunity to boost his numbers he was quite annoying.
 
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Player of the month for October.

Ya he’s rubbish eh and should be sold?

Who said he’s rubbish?

If we get an offer too good to refuse for a 30 something year old entering the last year of his contract, then yes should be sold.

Remember if it weren’t for the sales of Coutinho and a few other squad players we would never have been able to build a title winning side. You remember that.
 
Player of the month for October.

Ya he’s rubbish eh and should be sold?
So. Who originally said this? Because at the minute 95% of your posts are cheering for ange, or near enough this message.

150m we might have gone for another CB, and a DM. There was clear logic to sell. It's worked out nicely for now as he's had a fair few decent/good performances
 
Who said he’s rubbish?

If we get an offer too good to refuse for a 30 something year old entering the last year of his contract, then yes should be sold.

Remember if it weren’t for the sales of Coutinho and a few other squad players we would never have been able to build a title winning side. You remember that.
Not for me. I wouldn’t entertain selling him for any price tbh.
 
So. Who originally said this? Because at the minute 95% of your posts are cheering for ange, or near enough this message.

150m we might have gone for another CB, and a DM. There was clear logic to sell. It's worked out nicely for now as he's had a fair few decent/good performances
That’s very unfair, it’s more like 99%.
 
Not for me. I wouldn’t entertain selling him for any price tbh.

Which is probably why you’re not a club owner or a future developmental planner. He leaves for nothing in a year and a half, we’ve won nothing but maybe a league cup in that time….then what? Where do you look to then?
 
Which is probably why you’re not a club owner or a future developmental planner. He leaves for nothing in a year and a half, we’ve won nothing but maybe a league cup in that time….then what? Where do you look to then?
We see football differently. He transcends that for me. And I don’t think he leaves in 18 months. I think he stays for another 42 months.
 
We see football differently. He transcends that for me. And I don’t think he leaves in 18 months. I think he stays for another 42 months.
Ok.

There’s also a chance he leaves in less than 18 months so let’s have that conversation when we cross that bridge.
 
So. Who originally said this? Because at the minute 95% of your posts are cheering for ange, or near enough this message.

150m we might have gone for another CB, and a DM. There was clear logic to sell. It's worked out nicely for now as he's had a fair few decent/good performances

Why would we have required 150m from Mo’s sale though? We have the Caicedo money still so I don’t see both being mutually exclusive. We signed Ryan G post that.
 
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