Is he? I can't stand listening to him. I fully expect who ever is interviewing him to ask him 'what the fuck did you just say?' He just mumbles, shows his teeth a lot and repeats a lot of mumbling.
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Is he? I can't stand listening to him. I fully expect who ever is interviewing him to ask him 'what the fuck did you just say?' He just mumbles, shows his teeth a lot and repeats a lot of mumbling.
We are moving in the right direction, and that is more or less what matters. Rome wasn't build in a day neither will a title-challenging team, but we are certainly seeing signs of improvement and the foundation is shaping up nicely.
We are obviously not there yet, and this Summer is going to be vital in terms of building a competitive squad and get the balance right. I am very hopefully, especially with the almost apathetic January window in mind, that we will see one of the biggest outlays from the club in one window. Perhaps the largest ever.
And then I would expect another level, and a title aspiring team really. At the very least a team that improves once again - not only in terms of points but also in terms of style.
As for now, I really think you'd have to be a very doom & gloom-like fan I you can't see the progress that's being made and at the very least have some confidence in Klopp as being the right man for us.
We are obviously not there yet, and this Summer is going to be vital in terms of building a competitive squad and get the balance right. I am very hopefully, especially with the almost apathetic January window in mind, that we will see one of the biggest outlays from the club in one window. Perhaps the largest ever.
And then I would expect another level, and a title aspiring team really. At the very least a team that improves once again - not only in terms of points but also in terms of style.
As for now, I really think you'd have to be a very doom & gloom-like fan I you can't see the progress that's being made and at the very least have some confidence in Klopp as being the right man for us.
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Luckily they are not on this forum!
Typically, I can see both sides of the argument.
There was little doubt that City and Spurs would finish above us, but I also expected United to - although if they win the Europa and League Cup they'll be happy enough. Chelsea was more of a hard one to call; they were certainly going to improve after the horrible last season. But it still left little room for manoeuvre
In fact, I think I said we'd finish sixth or maybe 5th. So where we are now is better. However, my prediction of 5th or 6th or whatever it was, was also driven by what I saw as a disappointing summer of recruitment: in particular the lack of striker signing, new LB, quality CB and another CM.
It didn't help that the goalkeeper Klopp signed was shit, and The Binman CB was even worse. Wijanldum has been inconsistent, Firmino isn't good enough, Origi is one of the worst strikers in the Premier league and the amount of games Lucas has played has been shameful.
The only really superb signing was Mane, who was as good as I expected him to be. The obvious issues with squad depth, defensive solidity, consistency and an absurd reliance on the pace and goalscoring of Mane was always going to be costly, and everyone who said this from the start has been loudly and obviously vindicated.
So it's all very well to crow loudly about how amazingly well Klopp is doing with "this squad", but who the fuck has had several transfer windows to improve it and hasn't done enough of the fucking obvious?
The only 100% bang-on brilliant signing he has made is Mane.
Overachieved with a squad of pathetic molly-coddled wankers.
I like the players he's brought in, in the main. A whole summer transfer window with us in the CL means next season if the one to judge him on.
Imagine if we had players that hated to lose as much as he does.
I like the players he's brought in, in the main. A whole summer transfer window with us in the CL means next season if the one to judge him on.
Imagine if we had players that hated to lose as much as he does.
What the fuck? Another thread to be the wankfest of Thick and Thicker? Is this for real? Why don't create a thread about Divock Origi and his poor form and spouthe abuse there....... I mean, boring this forum to Death can't be that important?
If he gets the money to spend that will allow us to bring in the sort of players we need (that's before considering whether we can actually attract them) then I think he'll succeed here.
Klopp continues to have problems with teams who park the bus so either he finds a way around that tactically which so far he hasn't consistently been able to do or he buys players who can do this within his current tactical setup.
I've no clue of whether he's going to be able to do that and this summer will be interesting to say the least. If we get fourth place will the owners back him to the hilt or wait until the champions league place is secured in the qualifiers? We'll see I suppose.
I know I don't want to hear excuses next season about the number of games we've had to play when he and the club have failed to bolster the squad enough to cope with a busy schedule. Good teams play lots of games so all involved need to stop crying about it.
I've no clue of whether he's going to be able to do that and this summer will be interesting to say the least. If we get fourth place will the owners back him to the hilt or wait until the champions league place is secured in the qualifiers? We'll see I suppose.
I know I don't want to hear excuses next season about the number of games we've had to play when he and the club have failed to bolster the squad enough to cope with a busy schedule. Good teams play lots of games so all involved need to stop crying about it.
I still think he's the right man for the job.
I do think he's ben trying to gamble with his signings too. I think he's tried to buy as little as possible to just scrape us into the CL, where he can begin to build a much better side using those funds & the allure of CL footy to attract that higher level of player.
If so, & if we get that CL status this season then I think we'll start to see a higher calibre of player signed this summer, & some of those key issues we've all identified start to be dealt with.
It's a helluva gamble, but should we get qualification now, then we don't have four or five players on relatively decent wages who suddenly become unhappy squad players or very difficult to shift from the wage bill, as we've seen so often in the past.
Should we finish fourth then I'd say we've overachieved. Not by a great deal, but nevertheless, an overachievement. Should he invest correctly in the squad & overachieve again, then we'll all be happy this time next season.
I do think he's ben trying to gamble with his signings too. I think he's tried to buy as little as possible to just scrape us into the CL, where he can begin to build a much better side using those funds & the allure of CL footy to attract that higher level of player.
If so, & if we get that CL status this season then I think we'll start to see a higher calibre of player signed this summer, & some of those key issues we've all identified start to be dealt with.
It's a helluva gamble, but should we get qualification now, then we don't have four or five players on relatively decent wages who suddenly become unhappy squad players or very difficult to shift from the wage bill, as we've seen so often in the past.
Should we finish fourth then I'd say we've overachieved. Not by a great deal, but nevertheless, an overachievement. Should he invest correctly in the squad & overachieve again, then we'll all be happy this time next season.
A big concerns is the we (klopp) are unable to get across the finish line.
How many finals has he lost now in a row? 5 ? This surely cannot be a coincidence Our performance in the league cup final last year, the Europa league second where we exploded.
We all gung ho and confident in November, sweeping teams aside. However the last few games , which have been high pressure / tense circumstances (against poor to / average teams) and we have failed miserable to wrap up champions league qualification.
Its only our rivals incompetence which has keep us in the hunt.
How many finals has he lost now in a row? 5 ? This surely cannot be a coincidence Our performance in the league cup final last year, the Europa league second where we exploded.
We all gung ho and confident in November, sweeping teams aside. However the last few games , which have been high pressure / tense circumstances (against poor to / average teams) and we have failed miserable to wrap up champions league qualification.
Its only our rivals incompetence which has keep us in the hunt.
In his management career so far Klopp has shown that he likes a certain type of job, namely that of taking a nearly team and turning them into genuine contenders. That kind of job is never going to be one which brings overnight success and some of Klopp's critics, here and elsewhere, forget that too easily IMO.
That said, I do think he has questions to answer on tactics and fitness issues. He'll get a decent wedge this summer and he has to make that count next season.
That said, I do think he has questions to answer on tactics and fitness issues. He'll get a decent wedge this summer and he has to make that count next season.
There was a study done on the profile of teams that do well in Cups - and to grossly oversimplify its 'low variance' teams - teams that don't concede much or have many big wins.
Firstly, people need to stop thinking it's just Klopp. Everything he does before and during a game of football is determined by discussions between him and Buvač. So if a fan thinks Klopp is missing something that they think is obvious, they need to reflect on the fact that both Klopp and Buvač are missing that thing that's obvious.
The second thing to consider is that these two have proven very impressive in their decisions over their careers. Dortmund wasn't a fluke. Believing in Rodgers was largely blind faith. To claim the same about these two is just stupid.
The third thing is that they're operating with players who, in the main, aren't up to the standards they expect, and they concluded that earlier in the season. You can prepare players in certain ways but you can't make them more imaginative, or intelligent. I'd judge the management team on what they do in the summer and early next season.
Given what a wretched state the club was in when Rodgers left, it amazes me that some actually think we can still sit back and put the thumb down on a manager of Klopp's standing. We were ridiculously lucky to get him rather than another Hodgson-like buffoon.
Are Klopp and Buvač fallible? Of course. Is this squad good enough? No. Do Klopp and Buvač know what they're doing? More so than most on here do. Fact.
The second thing to consider is that these two have proven very impressive in their decisions over their careers. Dortmund wasn't a fluke. Believing in Rodgers was largely blind faith. To claim the same about these two is just stupid.
The third thing is that they're operating with players who, in the main, aren't up to the standards they expect, and they concluded that earlier in the season. You can prepare players in certain ways but you can't make them more imaginative, or intelligent. I'd judge the management team on what they do in the summer and early next season.
Given what a wretched state the club was in when Rodgers left, it amazes me that some actually think we can still sit back and put the thumb down on a manager of Klopp's standing. We were ridiculously lucky to get him rather than another Hodgson-like buffoon.
Are Klopp and Buvač fallible? Of course. Is this squad good enough? No. Do Klopp and Buvač know what they're doing? More so than most on here do. Fact.
Why did they conclude that earlier in the season when the majority of us concluded that long ago?
I'm of the opinion we are punching above our weight with the squad we have, but like others have said, he's had 3 transfer windows now to sort out gaping holes, yet Klopp and Buvac seem content in sticking plugs in the damns with Lucas and Milner in defence experiments, while not truly blooding youngsters such as Gomez and Trent AA.
Big summer coming up, but if we don't buy at least a LB, CB and DM in the transfer window, and I'm talking about first teamers, not squad fillers. Then the faith will dwindle.
I just find it laughable that fans keep asking these questions as if they genuinely believe they've seen things quicker and more accurately than experienced managers and coaches. Is it computer games that convinces them they're footballing masters? What the reality is involves all kinds of behind the scenes issues that complicate the decision making process, but still you find people sitting on their ares in the stand or at home on the settee absolutely convinced they are perfectly qualified to manage a club.
Mind you, it's the same in politics. Trump is the political equivalent of the footie fan who suddenly finds himself with real power.
Mind you, it's the same in politics. Trump is the political equivalent of the footie fan who suddenly finds himself with real power.
Sigh!
Because having Milner at LB, Lucas at CB and Ming as #1 would have been most managers plans eh?
Edit - and Hendo as DM
I'm less certain than you that our relative inactivity through those three transfer windows is down to Klopp and Buvac only. We don't know to what extent Klopp got the funds he thought were needed, hence also to what extent he'll have had to prioritise. Nor do we see the youngsters in training, so we're not well placed to know whether they're ready. If Klopp and his coaches didn't think they were, I for one wouldn't presume to dispute that.
Are you implying some people on here know what they're doing more than klopp and buvac?
Klopp did a terrific job at Dortmund at taking a medium-term look at a mediocre squad and, with little outlay, transforming them into a title winning, highly effective unit. In his first two seasons Dortmund finished 5th and 6th prior to, somewhat prematurely, his method and recruitment bore fruit.
Quite why anyone would expect things to happen quicker at Anfield and in a highly competitive league (with relatively more huge spending rivals with deeper squads) is beyond my understanding.
Let's get 4th nailed down, look forward to some real quality coming in during the summer and hope that in time Klopp's anticipated brilliance shines through. There's certainly every reason to be positively optimistic given his record and initial improvement of a struggling squad without any obvious bail-out superstar turns.
Quite why anyone would expect things to happen quicker at Anfield and in a highly competitive league (with relatively more huge spending rivals with deeper squads) is beyond my understanding.
Let's get 4th nailed down, look forward to some real quality coming in during the summer and hope that in time Klopp's anticipated brilliance shines through. There's certainly every reason to be positively optimistic given his record and initial improvement of a struggling squad without any obvious bail-out superstar turns.
All managers have blind spots and make mistakes
My input to this sort of discussion is not that Klopp is letting us down by not being an infallible Football God, more a mild irritation that some pretend he is
I mean on one hand you have the laughable overrating and reverence afforded to his every signing and decision, with a multitude of mediocre talents lauded as world beating talent, and in the next breath the same squad is clearly not good enough or deep enough and Klopp is a genius for his astonishing overachievement with them
If you want to have it both ways, expect laughter and mockery
And as far as 'blind faith' goes, I'd certainly be happier to put it in Klopp than his recent predecessors
My input to this sort of discussion is not that Klopp is letting us down by not being an infallible Football God, more a mild irritation that some pretend he is
I mean on one hand you have the laughable overrating and reverence afforded to his every signing and decision, with a multitude of mediocre talents lauded as world beating talent, and in the next breath the same squad is clearly not good enough or deep enough and Klopp is a genius for his astonishing overachievement with them
If you want to have it both ways, expect laughter and mockery
And as far as 'blind faith' goes, I'd certainly be happier to put it in Klopp than his recent predecessors
Indeed.
Great post mate.
Excellent post gkmacca.
I am still 100% behind the manager despite the fact I think he's made some basic mistakes this season regarding team selection and substitutions. In his defence he's still remoulding the squad and next season we should see a significant improvement. I'd give his performance so far this season a 6/10 and most of that is for the first 5 months of the season...........I'll add an extra point if we finish top 4.
One other factor that can't be overlooked; this was supposed to be a season of fewer injuries for us due to fewer games, but if you had to name our 5 most influential players (subjective issue, I know) Henderson, Coutinho, Lallana, Sturridge and Mane....they have missed a total of 53 games this season! Contrast that with Chelsea's 5 most influential players Kante, Hazard, Azpilicueta, Costa and Luiz who between them have missed 9 matches! IMO Chelsea would be in a similar position to us (maybe slightly better off, but not top of the table) if those players had similar injuries to ours.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...less-in-the-premier-league-without-top-scorer
(After we drew 2-2 with Bournemouth at Anfield on 6 Apr 2017)
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