Post Match Brighton post match thread.

[Dreambeliever]

I’d rather lose games that don’t matter after winning all the games that did to win the league vs winning games after we’ve lost the league.

 

[binomial]

Timing is strange. After a goal and an assist (it was an assist as much as it was a deliberate attempt on goal) is the time to call out a player not being good enough. What about the 140 games prior? The truth is (like Jones) he hasn’t progressed nearly as much as we’d have hoped for. He’s a decent player but there’s too much of his game lacking, still looks like a teenager in a man’s game. Whether he’ll ever be a Prem regular…who knows, but I think even at his age now, someone like Wilson was further down the development line.

 

[Modo]

Timing is strange. After a goal and an assist (it was an assist as much as it was a deliberate attempt on goal) is the time to call out a player not being good enough. What about the 140 games prior? The truth is (like Jones) he hasn’t progressed nearly as much as we’d have hoped for. He’s a decent player but there’s too much of his game lacking, still looks like a teenager in a man’s game. Whether he’ll ever be a Prem regular…who knows, but I think even at his age now, someone like Wilson was further down the development line.

That's why we're getting Cherki or Xavi S.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1kq7u4j/rayan_cherki_21_was_in_tears_after_lyons_last/

 

[Farkmaster]

They get it. Some on here don’t.

I thought we would lose this game based on the lineups, and we did. Nobody is arsed.

I think if I were at the game having a sing song as opposed to watching on my phone with two kids with covid at home on a Monday, id probably be in a more party spirit.

You can still evaluate the game and players and performances, because that's the only point of the game, it's the only thing that slot is using the games for. That and a muddled b story about padding Salahs stats.

That doesn't mean that when people are discussing how our weird lineups are playing that they aren't keeping things in perspective. I spent about 15 minutes of the first half making chat gpt execute on a SZOBO cop concept. I understand the assignment.

In a way this season is ending like the pre season started it, a bunch of stress tests of players that are on the pitch precisely because slot is dubious about them.

 

[StevieM]

Still think our best partnership the last few years was Matip and Van Dijk. They had a great understanding.

1. Van Dijk - Matip
2. Van Dijk - Gomez
3. Van Dijk - Konate

And yet, the other two where the main pairings the years we won League titles.

 

[StevieM]

His pressing was an asset a number of seasons ago but even that seems to have diminished recently,
He has definitely regressed this season in my opinion
I say that as a (former) fan

It’s a strange one, because he looked really good in pre-season, like he was ready to finally be a first team fixture.

Then, strangely, Slot gave him no time off the bench in the early games, then he got injured and just hasn’t been able to get back into it.

I wouldn’t judge him entirely on these last few games, but if Slot isn’t going to play him, as heartbreaking as it would be for him, he might have to look at moving.

I hope he doesn’t and finds a way to make it work and force his way into Slots plans.

 

[Modo]

And yet, the other two where the main pairings the years we won League titles.

Yep and lost CL finals

 

[KopRed]

Maybe - but he did OK today until that moment for the 3rd goal, but Konate did not really do himself any good leading up to that goal as the analysis showed on SkySports. Today was proof of a few things:

1) Konate is not the man without VVD
2) Elliot in midfield as a 10 is not going to work, we just got over-run too many times, highlighting why we need an energy/physical presence of some kind and why Szobo has been key for us.
3) Diaz was his best prick self
4) Nunez needs to go
5) Chiesa was getting knocked off the ball too much.
6) Q - I really don't know - I am broken between us having to spend 50M+ on a defender and hoping Q can perform like he did majority of last season.

Not just for this game but there are question marks over these players you have quoted all season and we should be looking to replace them if we can. If a good offer comes in for any of them I will be looking at them very seriously. I will add Robbo and Jones to the conversation.

 

[Hyena]

How was Chiesa?

Any chance he could be a backup #9?

 

[Frogfish]

Another unpopular opinion maybe but I think Quansah needs to go. I just don't think he has "it".
He's a decent defender and maybe a good 4th option, but he panics in the box. It just feels like chaos sometimes.
I think you're right, we should buy two defenders and send him out on loan so that he gets more experience.

We won't sell him (at least not this season). I showed in another thread that we need 5 CBs (not forced as in Endo or Gravy but as listed on the official LFC team sheet as 'CB'). Only twice in the past 10 seasons have we had less than 5 and sometimes as high as 7 (not inc. Youth), if we are to compete for 4 trophies.

There's no way in this Summer of churn we're buying 2 CBs (one of which will be big money) on top of LB/RB/CF and maybe Wirtz (which even if we don't get him shows the direction of thought).

VvD, Konate, Gomez, Quansah, and I pray one more at Konate's level, will likely be the starting complement.

 

[Frogfish]

It’s a strange one, because he looked really good in pre-season, like he was ready to finally be a first team fixture.

Then, strangely, Slot gave him no time off the bench in the early games, then he got injured and just hasn’t been able to get back into it.

I wouldn’t judge him entirely on these last few games, but if Slot isn’t going to play him, as heartbreaking as it would be for him, he might have to look at moving.

I hope he doesn’t and finds a way to make it work and force his way into Slots plans.

Elliott would need to up his game considerably for him to force his way into Slot's plans.

Yesterday was a very good precis of what he does right and what he seems incapable of. Sharp passing and running with the ball, a creative eye, an attacking midfielder who gets into the box and offers options but on the flip side; lacks pace in both defence and attack, can't tackle to save his life and gives the ball away too frequently (a Red card offence for Slot).

I just don't see those negative aspects improving and we already have one right sided player who coughs up possession virtually every time he touches the ball. We can carry one because of what he offers in exchange for that (pace, goals and assists) - we can't carry two.

 

[Frogfish]

How was Chiesa?

Any chance he could be a backup #9?

Off the pace. I still have hope but it is fading fast. He didn't excel in defence or attack.

 

[Frogfish]

Yep and lost CL finals

Neither of which were the fault of the CBs though.

 

[Modo]

Neither of which were the fault of the CBs though.

So us not winning the league was Matip's fault?

 

[Frogfish]

So us not winning the league was Matip's fault?

I didn't say that - weird tangent ! You said we lost 2 CL finals and I said neither were the fault of our CBs.