British / HG players

[keniget]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned - probably has - but looking at the line-up against Arsenal, we didn't have a single English player starting.

It feels strange now with Trent gone that not only is there no local presence in what is considered to be our best team but no real English / British one at all unless you count Frimpong (along with Bradley). The British / HG players are more on the rotation side of things.

Hopefully Rio and maybe Nyoni make it but when considering future signings, it seems like we need to prioritize British players, if for no other reason but to meet HG quotas.

Obviously Guehi is a major target for us which we should prioritize for Jan / next summer. Wharton and Olise (if there is some kind of clause) seem to be the best talent around beyond that.

It'd be nice to see another local kid emerge from the Academy - the next Gerrard would be nice - but there isn't really anyone there is there?

Does anyone care any more these days?

 

[dee]

Owen Beck looked a possibility but it seems that ship has sailed. ... and he's Welsh anyway I think

 

[Dreambeliever]

It’s nice to have a local in the team and always love having an Irish man make it but otherwise couldn’t give a scooby.

 

[Fabio]

Happy to have a good Scouser in the team, but even happier if they're overlooked for England.

Fuck them hoes

 

[Modo]

Local talent as in from the north west?
With Quansah (Warrington), Trent and Morty gone, it's only Jones now.

Unfortunately, this has been coming. The standard has been raised at the club, so it's even more difficult to make it now.

Nyoni, Rio and McConnell aren't from the Merseyside area.
The young striker we just bought, Will Wright, is from Preston.

That leaves Danns as the best local prospect from the reserves.

We have two players playing for the England u17s: Liam Balmer, Erik Farkas (highly rated kid, born in Hungary)
No LFC players in the U18 team (Rio was picked at first but was then moved to the u19s)

England u19: Rio and Nyoni

England u20: Danns

England u21: -

It doesn't look that great, but hey we can always buy Barkley, Garner and Gordon.

 

[peterhague]

I sort of care. Does it matter? I'm not totally sure but I suspect it helps to ground the squad a bit and bond all the foreigners together around them. It's impossible for me to imagine the great Klopp team without that core of Hendo, Milner, Robbo, Trent, even Ox and Gomez.

But trying to recreate that kind of magic is probably a forlorn hope anyway.

 

[Hyena]

I'm a foreigner but I love having English players in the squad. Would have preferred to keep Tyler and Elliott over Bajcetic too.

Can see that we are trying, with Guehi, Gordon, Rogers, Wharton. Seems impossible somehow

 

[Hyena]

Local talent as in from the north west?
With Quansah (Warrington), Trent and Morty gone, it's only Jones now.

Unfortunately, this has been coming. The standard has been raised at the club, so it's even more difficult to make it now.

Nyoni, Rio and McConnell aren't from the Merseyside area.
The young striker we just bought, Will Wright, is from Preston.

That leaves Danns as the best local prospect from the reserves.

We have two players playing for the England u17s: Liam Balmer, Erik Farkas (highly rated kid, born in Hungary)
No LFC players in the U18 team (Rio was picked at first but was then moved to the u19s)

England u19: Rio and Nyoni

England u20: Danns

England u21: -

It doesn't look that great, but hey we can always buy Barkley, Garner and Gordon.

I think it's such a pity that our Academy has been so poor at producing players, compared to United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal.

Hope they do a thorough revamp

 

[Atlas]

I appreciate the thread is re LFC and homegrown talent..but i think it ties in a little with that Owen mentions here.


View: https://x.com/RioMeets/status/1963742969510400478

We've let Quansah go, who seems to have settled in very nicely in Germany.
We've let Elliot go who was on fire at the u21 Euros recently.

It's part of the wider issue of English players in the league.

As much as its now an international multicultural camp there is a need for the local player.
Having said that the likes of Salah and Virgil feel like adopted locals for sure

 

[rubans]

I do care, would be nice to have an English lad in there and especially a scouser. International team wise, always felt we were always defending our own against the rest of English fans like Barnes, Macca, Carra and Trent on their value to England though. Hope we do buy at least get one through. To be honest, why was Jones not in the squad? He is better than most.

 

[Modo]

I do care, would be nice to have an English lad in there and especially a scouser. International team wise, always felt we were always defending our own against the rest of English fans like Barnes, Macca, Carra and Trent on their value to England though. Hope we do buy at least get one through. To be honest, why was Jones not in the squad? He is better than most.

I think Tuchel wanted to try a few other players.

 

[The Nomad]

Local talent as in from the north west?
With Quansah (Warrington), Trent and Morty gone, it's only Jones now.

Unfortunately, this has been coming. The standard has been raised at the club, so it's even more difficult to make it now.

Nyoni, Rio and McConnell aren't from the Merseyside area.
The young striker we just bought, Will Wright, is from Preston.

That leaves Danns as the best local prospect from the reserves.

We have two players playing for the England u17s: Liam Balmer, Erik Farkas (highly rated kid, born in Hungary)
No LFC players in the U18 team (Rio was picked at first but was then moved to the u19s)

England u19: Rio and Nyoni

England u20: Danns

England u21: -

It doesn't look that great, but hey we can always buy Barkley, Garner and Gordon.

Three highly rated you missed

Josh Sonni-Lambie (although I think hes not local to merseyside)

Joshua Abe (meant to be just as good as rio at his age)

Lenix Conde

 

[Modo]

I appreciate the thread is re LFC and homegrown talent..but i think it ties in a little with that Owen mentions here.


View: https://x.com/RioMeets/status/1963742969510400478

We've let Quansah go, who seems to have settled in very nicely in Germany.
We've let Elliot go who was on fire at the u21 Euros recently.

It's part of the wider issue of English players in the league.

As much as its now an international multicultural camp there is a need for the local player.
Having said that the likes of Salah and Virgil feel like adopted locals for sure

Its simple because youth level is vastly different from senior football.
Mainly because it's age restricted. Hence why Harvey looked like Maradona playing for the u21s. The football is totally different too. More gung ho.

 

[The Nomad]

Its simple because youth level is vastly different from senior football.
Mainly because it's age restricted. Hence why Harvey looked like Maradona playing for the u21s. The football is totally different too. More gung ho.

Its not more gung ho. Its slower and more technical. Which is why a lot don't progress in the Premier League.

However, go to a foreign league they are successful.

But here's where the catch 22 comes in.

Leave too early and you potentially lose your HG status (see Bellingham and Gittens)

Wait and you run the risk of no foreign teams wanting you and you drop down the leagues.

 

[Markeh]

yea i sort of care too, i actually thought this myself a day or two ago looking at kits for my kids. they wanted salah, isak and i was pushing virgil, wirtz for the younger ones that didn’t know any better.

whatever but it would be nice to see another gerrard or fowler. if another player like that ever comes along he’ll probably end up at everton’s youth setup.

 

[Modo]

Its not more gung ho. Its slower and more technical. Which is why a lot don't progress in the Premier League.

However, go to a foreign league they are successful.

But here's where the catch 22 comes in.

Leave too early and you potentially lose your HG status (see Bellingham and Gittens)

Wait and you run the risk of no foreign teams wanting you and you drop down the leagues.

Youth football isn't 'more gung-ho than senior football?

I agree that it's slower, not sure it's more technical though unless you're talking about the kids pretending they're peak Messi on the wing.

 

[Modo]

We've never really been able to compete with Manchester and London. The likes of Arsenal and Chelsea are churning out talented footballers.
I think Man U are having the same problem we're having. The Manchester kids are going to City.

England u19s: 3 City players, 2 Arsenal players

England u20s: 3 United, 2 City, 2 Chelsea.

England u21s: 4 City players, 3 Chelsea, 3 Brighton (!!!)

The majority of the players are from London teams.

 

[peterhague]

Our academy hasn't been a talent factory like City's or Chelsea's, but I do think it's done a good job of producing some some top prospects recently. Jones, Quansah, Bradley, Kelleher are all good players just in the last 5 years.

It's probably not polite to say it but the fundamental advantage Chelsea and Arsenal have is simply that they have a large black population in their catchment areas. They're just way better at football on a per capita basis.

 

[Modo]

I don't want to turn this into a racial discussion, but I don't think it's simply because there's more black kids. I think there's a socio-economic aspect to it too.

Also, most of them are mixed-race. So they're just as much white as black. Players like Bellingham, Trent, Gomez, Reece James, Quansah, Rogers, Gibbs-White, Loftus-Cheek etc.
Even Jones and Palmer are mixed race.

 

[MomoWASright]

Our academy hasn't been a talent factory like City's or Chelsea's, but I do think it's done a good job of producing some some top prospects recently. Jones, Quansah, Bradley, Kelleher are all good players just in the last 5 years.

It's probably not polite to say it but the fundamental advantage Chelsea and Arsenal have is simply that they have a large black population in their catchment areas. They're just way better at football on a per capita basis.

Part of the problem is sea life can’t play footy.

 

[Farkmaster]

Our academy hasn't been a talent factory like City's or Chelsea's, but I do think it's done a good job of producing some some top prospects recently. Jones, Quansah, Bradley, Kelleher are all good players just in the last 5 years.

It's probably not polite to say it but the fundamental advantage Chelsea and Arsenal have is simply that they have a large black population in their catchment areas. They're just way better at football on a per capita basis.

They definitely have a better and orders of magnitude larger catchment area. Id suggest the prime difference isn't racial though, but the health of those kids and the level of intense cultural participation in football. There's far more overweight unhealthy kids in Liverpool than in London.

It's never a mystery where youth talent comes from. You see people playing football more outside of organized settings and they are all healthy.

 

[Modo]

The problem we're facing in Sweden is that kids no longer just go out and play football, like we used to when we were kids.

 

[peterhague]

I don't want to turn this into a racial discussion, but I don't think it's simply because there's more black kids. I think there's a socio-economic aspect to it too.

Also, most of them are mixed-race. So they're just as much white as black. Players like Bellingham, Trent, Gomez, Reece James, Quansah, Rogers, Gibbs-White, Loftus-Cheek etc.
Even Jones and Palmer are mixed race.

If you're mixed race then you're more black than a white person is so if black people are better then you'd probably still expect them to have a significant advantage.

It's funny to me that people resist such an obvious truth. You look at any England team across the age groups and it's about 50% black or mixed race. England is less than 4% black in total.

This trend is even starker in France.

 

[The Nomad]

If you're mixed race then you're more black than a white person is so if black people are better then you'd probably still expect them to have a significant advantage.

It's funny to me that people resist such an obvious truth. You look at any England team across the age groups and it's about 50% black or mixed race. England is less than 4% black in total.

This trend is even starker in France.

It goes back to the who socio-economic factor that Modo mentioned.

Also. Are you saying black genes are stronger genes?

 

[Farkmaster]

We tried to artfully sidle out of this discussion, because I don't think there's any evidence to support your claim and it's also a claim that's odd and has mostly been used for unspeakable evil.

Like, you're just using a social construct of race via skin colour to assign a genetic superiority. I've no fucking clue whether there are even any great genetic similarities between the various different footballers who are black. Why would there be? Their ancestors don't come from the same places, and Africa is the most genetically diverse place on earth.

 

[Farkmaster]

It goes back to the who socio-economic factor that Modo mentioned.

Also. Are you saying black genes are stronger genes?

First we would have to accept that there are "black genes."

 

[MomoWASright]

They definitely have a better and orders of magnitude larger catchment area. Id suggest the prime difference isn't racial though, but the health of those kids and the level of intense cultural participation in football. There's far more overweight unhealthy kids in Liverpool than in London.

It's never a mystery where youth talent comes from. You see people playing football more outside of organized settings and they are all healthy.

I’m not having that. I’ve seen loads of fat fucks in London too.

 

[The Nomad]

First we would have to accept that there are "black genes."

Fair.

 

[peterhague]

It goes back to the who socio-economic factor that Modo mentioned.

Also. Are you saying black genes are stronger genes?

Eh? Are black people in England richer than white people? Or is the idea that their relative poverty gives them an advantage somehow?

I'd say it's just totally obvious that they have a major genetic advantage. Pretty much any athletic endeavour is evidence of that.

 

[The Nomad]

I’m not having that. I’ve seen loads of fat fucks in London too.

Agreed..the London clubs have a massive advantage because of the sheer volume of kids to pick from.