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Attack the post, not the poster.
Bye bye Kenny (part 2)!!!!!
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To be fair to gentlemen It was I who was being attacked not the other way round, I responded as his post deserved so please read what was written.
If macca took exeption to my overly poetic use of the word reluctant, although in a completely understandable fashion, maybe Fuck off is apropriate... just a thought.
Im not sure of the forum rules to be honest but I cant remember reading the bit where it says you have to just accept people being allowed to be snidey and rude for little reason.
He made a petty cuntish post and so... I let him know. he was the one who did the attacking.
As it happens, I have absolutely no problem with Macca, I dont know the fella, Im sure he is a nice fella etc etc etc... doesnt mean im going to let him be a prick at me my mind you just as i wouldnt expect him to allow me to do the same to him.
Personally I have no problem whatsoever with telling someone to fuck off when they deserved to be told. I wasnt looking for any kind of Hoohaa or row I will leave it there as im sure both he and I will survive the trauma.
If macca took exeption to my overly poetic use of the word reluctant, although in a completely understandable fashion, maybe Fuck off is apropriate... just a thought.
Im not sure of the forum rules to be honest but I cant remember reading the bit where it says you have to just accept people being allowed to be snidey and rude for little reason.
He made a petty cuntish post and so... I let him know. he was the one who did the attacking.
As it happens, I have absolutely no problem with Macca, I dont know the fella, Im sure he is a nice fella etc etc etc... doesnt mean im going to let him be a prick at me my mind you just as i wouldnt expect him to allow me to do the same to him.
Personally I have no problem whatsoever with telling someone to fuck off when they deserved to be told. I wasnt looking for any kind of Hoohaa or row I will leave it there as im sure both he and I will survive the trauma.
I didnt modo, I just told him to fuck off.
You were the one who brought it up again! Macca was rightly not in the slightest bit arsed.
You were the one who brought it up again! Macca was rightly not in the slightest bit arsed.
riiiight.....🙄
THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING OVER FUTURE OF KENNY DALGLISH
Monday May 7,2012
By Paul Joyce
JOHN W HENRY popped into the Liverpool dressing room for a couple of minutes and then made his apologies as he prepared to waltz out of Wembley.
He said he was looking for a bus. Kenny Dalglish must hope the American’s next task does not see him searching for a coach.
Offering the Liverpool owner, who had just witnessed the side his Fenway Sports Group has lavished £110million upon turn up an hour late for the biggest match of their season, a penny for his thoughts did not seem a fair exchange.
Henry greeted the request with a smile, but the radio silence was deafening. He, and chairman Tom Werner, have plenty to ponder and that they are remaining tight-lipped suggests they feel there is a decision to make.
Given constant complaints that managers are not granted enough time, Dalglish will feel, not unreasonably, he deserves the chance of a second full season in charge.
Notwithstanding the intensely disappointing results, more so than the performances, in the Premier League, he has returned silverware to Anfield in his first full campaign in charge and was perhaps a piece of goal-line technology away from taking Chelsea to extra-time in Saturday’s FA Cup final, however unlikely it looked at one point.
Yet Henry, who is governed by economics rather than emotion, may well consider things differently and it is understandable that he should question the manager’s contribution given he went against his instincts in appointing Dalglish in the first place.
Liverpool is not the club it was at the start of this century, let alone the halcyon days of the Eighties. Against that, however, FSG will regard the threshold of ninth place – and there is no degree of certainty Dalglish’s side will finish there with Anfield set to resemble a morgue when Chelsea of all teams pitch up there tomorrow – as unacceptable.
Do they view the shambolic manner in which Liverpool initially played at Wembley, narrowly avoiding embarrassment as huge holes appeared in the team’s shape, as being representative for them of the season?
Are they 100 per cent behind Dalglish? Would they trust him to spend more money this summer after watching Jose Enrique, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing flat-line under the iconic arch?
Or do they regard the hard-luck story which evolved in the final 30 minutes, and inevitably involved the woodwork when the energised Andy Carroll’s header was pushed up onto his crossbar but perhaps over the line by Petr Cech, as an indication that ripping everything up is not the solution?
As pertinent is whom Henry and Werner will turn to, and the sort of people they will seek advice from, as they attempt to unravel the conundrum.
They are obviously adept at running a sports club given their work at the Boston Red Sox, and yet they appear to have leapt from one decision to another thus far at Liverpool.
After spending £300m buying the club in a rush in October 2010, they appointed a director of football on the say-so of a baseball coach, waited too long to dismiss Roy Hodgson, wanted to appoint a young successor prior to giving Dalglish the job full-time, sanctioned £110m worth of spending and then sacked the director of football because the transfer strategy was taking too long to be put in place.
That is before the non-movement with the stadium issue is considered, or the fact that they are hardly ever at games at Anfield, presumably because Red Sox supporters will accuse them of neglecting their ‘franchise’ if they are.
Henry, still seeking Comolli’s replacement, must also consider who he would bring in. Wigan manager Roberto Martinez is one name attractive to Henry given his tactical nous and ability to organise without spending huge sums.
Swansea’s Brendan Rodgers is another whose exploits have brought him to prominence, while Andre Villas-Boas held an interest for Liverpool before Dalglish was appointed a year ago this week.
Then there is former manager Rafa Benitez, sacked for finishing seventh in 2010 and who remains out of work since leaving Inter Milan, or former England boss Fabio Capello, who has said he wants to manage in the Premier League?
“We are Liverpool, we will bounce back,” said skipper Steven Gerrard.
“We will strengthen in the summer and we will come back and fight again. That’s what this club does.
“All through my career it’s been about highs and lows. Today is a big low but we will be back. I will be back. We are Liverpool.”
They were bold words. Henry, whose business background was forged on whether to stick or twist, must now decide in what guise they will return.
Monday May 7,2012
By Paul Joyce
JOHN W HENRY popped into the Liverpool dressing room for a couple of minutes and then made his apologies as he prepared to waltz out of Wembley.
He said he was looking for a bus. Kenny Dalglish must hope the American’s next task does not see him searching for a coach.
Offering the Liverpool owner, who had just witnessed the side his Fenway Sports Group has lavished £110million upon turn up an hour late for the biggest match of their season, a penny for his thoughts did not seem a fair exchange.
Henry greeted the request with a smile, but the radio silence was deafening. He, and chairman Tom Werner, have plenty to ponder and that they are remaining tight-lipped suggests they feel there is a decision to make.
Given constant complaints that managers are not granted enough time, Dalglish will feel, not unreasonably, he deserves the chance of a second full season in charge.
Notwithstanding the intensely disappointing results, more so than the performances, in the Premier League, he has returned silverware to Anfield in his first full campaign in charge and was perhaps a piece of goal-line technology away from taking Chelsea to extra-time in Saturday’s FA Cup final, however unlikely it looked at one point.
Yet Henry, who is governed by economics rather than emotion, may well consider things differently and it is understandable that he should question the manager’s contribution given he went against his instincts in appointing Dalglish in the first place.
Liverpool is not the club it was at the start of this century, let alone the halcyon days of the Eighties. Against that, however, FSG will regard the threshold of ninth place – and there is no degree of certainty Dalglish’s side will finish there with Anfield set to resemble a morgue when Chelsea of all teams pitch up there tomorrow – as unacceptable.
Do they view the shambolic manner in which Liverpool initially played at Wembley, narrowly avoiding embarrassment as huge holes appeared in the team’s shape, as being representative for them of the season?
Are they 100 per cent behind Dalglish? Would they trust him to spend more money this summer after watching Jose Enrique, Jordan Henderson and Stewart Downing flat-line under the iconic arch?
Or do they regard the hard-luck story which evolved in the final 30 minutes, and inevitably involved the woodwork when the energised Andy Carroll’s header was pushed up onto his crossbar but perhaps over the line by Petr Cech, as an indication that ripping everything up is not the solution?
As pertinent is whom Henry and Werner will turn to, and the sort of people they will seek advice from, as they attempt to unravel the conundrum.
They are obviously adept at running a sports club given their work at the Boston Red Sox, and yet they appear to have leapt from one decision to another thus far at Liverpool.
After spending £300m buying the club in a rush in October 2010, they appointed a director of football on the say-so of a baseball coach, waited too long to dismiss Roy Hodgson, wanted to appoint a young successor prior to giving Dalglish the job full-time, sanctioned £110m worth of spending and then sacked the director of football because the transfer strategy was taking too long to be put in place.
That is before the non-movement with the stadium issue is considered, or the fact that they are hardly ever at games at Anfield, presumably because Red Sox supporters will accuse them of neglecting their ‘franchise’ if they are.
Henry, still seeking Comolli’s replacement, must also consider who he would bring in. Wigan manager Roberto Martinez is one name attractive to Henry given his tactical nous and ability to organise without spending huge sums.
Swansea’s Brendan Rodgers is another whose exploits have brought him to prominence, while Andre Villas-Boas held an interest for Liverpool before Dalglish was appointed a year ago this week.
Then there is former manager Rafa Benitez, sacked for finishing seventh in 2010 and who remains out of work since leaving Inter Milan, or former England boss Fabio Capello, who has said he wants to manage in the Premier League?
“We are Liverpool, we will bounce back,” said skipper Steven Gerrard.
“We will strengthen in the summer and we will come back and fight again. That’s what this club does.
“All through my career it’s been about highs and lows. Today is a big low but we will be back. I will be back. We are Liverpool.”
They were bold words. Henry, whose business background was forged on whether to stick or twist, must now decide in what guise they will return.
If true. I can accept that.
I wonder if that's always true. Torres's disenchantment began under him, and (though I don't want to start yet another argument on the subject) he and Alonso had quite a falling-out.
bloody hope so
It's fairly clear that he attracted Spanish players and staff to the club. He was a big name in Spain and so were we after the CL.
How his relationships progressed after of course is open for debate as you say as us the level of pulling power he now has.
I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if it were true. FSG want to install a DOF and I cannot think of another manager in football less likely than Rafa to agree to work under those conditions.
Ha. Interesting thought, but IMO the same applies to that idea, because Rafa would never be able to bring himself to respect the boundary between the two jobs.
For the sake of argument he has worked under those conditions his entire career apart from his spell with us which was more than a little weird for a number of reasons. He will know that there is next to no chance he will ever have anything close to that level of control again.
Or that KD becomes the new DOF (perish the thought if our new talents purchased was also KD's choices) and Rafa the new manager!!!
He did, and at the highest level (at Valencia) it unravelled despite the success they had. He will indeed know what you describe but, if FSG were interested and did their homework on him, I suspect they'd end up doubting whether that would stop him trying to achieve it anyway.
And then Rafa says, 'You know my ideas - get me Andriy Voronin back!'
Yeah for free and Kenny goes "for free?"
"I can get you Doyle for £35 Million, we just need to sell Suarez."
Then he adds, "let's sell Agger and loan Skrtel out to Inter with a £6 Million buy-out clause and replace them with Johnson and Dann"
Aye, try-hards aplenty
The amount of idiots the other day saying get Rafa back was beyond belief. It makes me laugh, people are willing to fuck Kenny off after a season, but want Rafa back, Rafa who had 6 years at it and got close once. And before someone points out about us getting Champions League Football, that was against the top three, now we have to contend with City, Spurs and Newcastle aswell. He's a great cup manager and a poor league manager, so what's the point? I mean, cups are pretty worthless anyway appaz, it's all about finishing 4th, that's what looks great in the record books.
The amount of idiots the other day saying get Rafa back was beyond belief. It makes me laugh, people are willing to fuck Kenny off after a season, but want Rafa back, Rafa who had 6 years at it and got close once. And before someone points out about us getting Champions League Football, that was against the top three, now we have to contend with City, Spurs and Newcastle aswell. He's a great cup manager and a poor league manager, so what's the point? I mean, cups are pretty worthless anyway appaz, it's all about finishing 4th, that's what looks great in the record books.
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Would you trade the Carling Cup for fourth place? I would. Only on the guarantee Chelsea lost however.
No, what's the point? To get us better players? We've had the money to still assemble a good squad and we've blown it, with and without CL football. And with the benefit of hindsight, on another day if could have been an FA Cup aswell, in a few years time what will the season be remembered for? Exactly the same as what it'd be remembered for if we'd finished 4th.
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