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[Frogfish]

I mean it's some pretty tortured logic when you're arguing that a guy who underperformed all expectations and has been sold to Saudi at a significant loss while still in his prime isn't a bad signing.

It was a bad signing. That it could probably have been even worse doesn't really change that.

I didn't say it wasn't a bad signing. I'm saying we didn't lose much (anything) on him and he did actually make a contribution. His G/A record isn't that bad - even his offsides is less than 1.25 per match so even though people like to rip the shit out of him on here, he wasn't as bad as they make out and without his contribution we maybe didn't win 20 (we can say that about a lot of players though).

On an aside I've always said that if we played to his strengths (close in) instead of expecting him to adapt (which clearly he couldn't) then we'd have got a lot more out of him (since the majority of his goals in Portugal were scored in the 5-7m range) and he demonstrated that again in pre-season.

 

[peterhague]

FFS! I am NOT a nice guy, it is fucking "you're" not "your". Jaysus!

Leave it mate their never gonna learn.

 

[peterhague]

I didn't say it wasn't a bad signing. I'm saying we didn't lose much (anything) on him and he did actually make a contribution. His G/A record isn't that bad - even his offsides is less than 1.25 per match so even though people like to rip the shit out of him on here, he wasn't as bad as they make out and without his contribution we maybe didn't win 20 (we can say that about a lot of players though).

On an aside I've always said that if we played to his strengths (close in) instead of expecting him to adapt (which clearly he couldn't) then we'd have got a lot more out of him (since the majority of his goals in Portugal were scored in the 5-7m range) and he demonstrated that again in pre-season.

This is one of those takes that's so mad it's sort of hard to know where to start.

First of all, when I was talking about the loss on him I was - obviously - talking about the financial loss of sale less cost = profit or loss.

I wasn't talking in terms of some notion of "football profit or loss" whereby you add in some financial valuation of footballing contribution before arriving at a figure. That seems to be your original concept, tbh.

What I will say on that point, though, is that it's basically equivalent to the normal good/bad signing analysis. ie net cost vs footballing contribution. And that's usually done by implicit comparison to other potential signings. And on that measure he was a really bad signing - or in your terms, a significant loss.

 

[bluebell]

FFS! I am NOT a nice guy, it is fucking "you're" not "your". Jaysus!

Well, its "Jesus", not "Jaysus". Don't you know its fucking rude to spell people's name incorrectly?
I miss words out of sentences, which is a way bigger issue.

 

[MomoWASright]

You tell him bluebellendingham.

 

[Frogfish]

This is one of those takes that's so mad it's sort of hard to know where to start.

First of all, when I was talking about the loss on him I was - obviously - talking about the financial loss of sale less cost = profit or loss.

I wasn't talking in terms of some notion of "football profit or loss" whereby you add in some financial valuation of footballing contribution before arriving at a figure. That seems to be your original concept, tbh.

What I will say on that point, though, is that it's basically equivalent to the normal good/bad signing analysis. ie net cost vs footballing contribution. And that's usually done by implicit comparison to other potential signings. And on that measure he was a really bad signing - or in your terms, a significant loss.

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

 

[tombrown]

Well, its "Jesus", not "Jaysus". Don't you know its fucking rude to spell people's name incorrectly?
I miss words out of sentences, which is a way bigger issue.

In my religion (CatholicAtheistBritInWestOfIrelandism), it is spelt & pronounced "Jaysus"

 

[keniget]

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

What you factor in the opportunity cost, there is no room for the "he wasn't that bad, did some good stuff" arguments. It was a terrible signing from the point of conception. Thankfully it looks like we recouped a reasonable chunk of money.

 

[peterhague]

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

I'm not sure I'm saying what you think I'm saying. I'm not claiming that we made a real world loss on him therefore he's a bad signing. I'm just saying we made a loss on him and that's way more relevant than the accounting profit we'll record in next year's figures.

In theory he could still be a good signing even despite being loss-making. He wasn't but yes it's possible.

 

[StevieM]

Every time Darwin scores in Saudi we’re going to get posts telling us he was a great and we made a big mistake not “playing to his strengths” and selling him, aren’t we?

I hope we win lots of trophies next season otherwise it’s going to be a long hard time - even worse if Ange gets a gig again and wins a game.