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[Frogfish]

I mean it's some pretty tortured logic when you're arguing that a guy who underperformed all expectations and has been sold to Saudi at a significant loss while still in his prime isn't a bad signing.

It was a bad signing. That it could probably have been even worse doesn't really change that.

I didn't say it wasn't a bad signing. I'm saying we didn't lose much (anything) on him and he did actually make a contribution. His G/A record isn't that bad - even his offsides is less than 1.25 per match so even though people like to rip the shit out of him on here, he wasn't as bad as they make out and without his contribution we maybe didn't win 20 (we can say that about a lot of players though).

On an aside I've always said that if we played to his strengths (close in) instead of expecting him to adapt (which clearly he couldn't) then we'd have got a lot more out of him (since the majority of his goals in Portugal were scored in the 5-7m range) and he demonstrated that again in pre-season.

 

[peterhague]

FFS! I am NOT a nice guy, it is fucking "you're" not "your". Jaysus!

Leave it mate their never gonna learn.

 

[peterhague]

I didn't say it wasn't a bad signing. I'm saying we didn't lose much (anything) on him and he did actually make a contribution. His G/A record isn't that bad - even his offsides is less than 1.25 per match so even though people like to rip the shit out of him on here, he wasn't as bad as they make out and without his contribution we maybe didn't win 20 (we can say that about a lot of players though).

On an aside I've always said that if we played to his strengths (close in) instead of expecting him to adapt (which clearly he couldn't) then we'd have got a lot more out of him (since the majority of his goals in Portugal were scored in the 5-7m range) and he demonstrated that again in pre-season.

This is one of those takes that's so mad it's sort of hard to know where to start.

First of all, when I was talking about the loss on him I was - obviously - talking about the financial loss of sale less cost = profit or loss.

I wasn't talking in terms of some notion of "football profit or loss" whereby you add in some financial valuation of footballing contribution before arriving at a figure. That seems to be your original concept, tbh.

What I will say on that point, though, is that it's basically equivalent to the normal good/bad signing analysis. ie net cost vs footballing contribution. And that's usually done by implicit comparison to other potential signings. And on that measure he was a really bad signing - or in your terms, a significant loss.

 

[bluebell]

FFS! I am NOT a nice guy, it is fucking "you're" not "your". Jaysus!

Well, its "Jesus", not "Jaysus". Don't you know its fucking rude to spell people's name incorrectly?
I miss words out of sentences, which is a way bigger issue.

 

[MomoWASright]

You tell him bluebellendingham.

 

[Frogfish]

This is one of those takes that's so mad it's sort of hard to know where to start.

First of all, when I was talking about the loss on him I was - obviously - talking about the financial loss of sale less cost = profit or loss.

I wasn't talking in terms of some notion of "football profit or loss" whereby you add in some financial valuation of footballing contribution before arriving at a figure. That seems to be your original concept, tbh.

What I will say on that point, though, is that it's basically equivalent to the normal good/bad signing analysis. ie net cost vs footballing contribution. And that's usually done by implicit comparison to other potential signings. And on that measure he was a really bad signing - or in your terms, a significant loss.

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

 

[tombrown]

Well, its "Jesus", not "Jaysus". Don't you know its fucking rude to spell people's name incorrectly?
I miss words out of sentences, which is a way bigger issue.

In my religion (CatholicAtheistBritInWestOfIrelandism), it is spelt & pronounced "Jaysus"

 

[keniget]

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

What you factor in the opportunity cost, there is no room for the "he wasn't that bad, did some good stuff" arguments. It was a terrible signing from the point of conception. Thankfully it looks like we recouped a reasonable chunk of money.

 

[peterhague]

Ok but that's putting a 'fan' spin on reality, with the whole point being denigration, due to bias. So this 'mad take' is that of the club, and where PSR is concerned, and we made a profit. It's far too simplistic to say X-Y without accounting for any other relevant considerations.

Again - obviously he ranks low down on the scale of contribution but it wasn't zero and he won us a few games.

I'm not sure I'm saying what you think I'm saying. I'm not claiming that we made a real world loss on him therefore he's a bad signing. I'm just saying we made a loss on him and that's way more relevant than the accounting profit we'll record in next year's figures.

In theory he could still be a good signing even despite being loss-making. He wasn't but yes it's possible.

 

[StevieM]

Every time Darwin scores in Saudi we’re going to get posts telling us he was a great and we made a big mistake not “playing to his strengths” and selling him, aren’t we?

I hope we win lots of trophies next season otherwise it’s going to be a long hard time - even worse if Ange gets a gig again and wins a game.

 

[bluebell]

Doak is attracting intrests from several prem clubs. Harvey has to decide which club he wants, but its looking like Germany is going to be his favoured destination. Cheesy won't get the game time, and we should try to sell him because it isn't fair to him. We have enough bodies to cover MO's absence.

 

[Squiggles]

Every time Darwin scores in Saudi we’re going to get posts telling us he was a great and we made a big mistake not “playing to his strengths” and selling him, aren’t we?

I hope we win lots of trophies next season otherwise it’s going to be a long hard time - even worse if Ange gets a gig again and wins a game.

I saw his first goal, and the ground looked no more illustrious than a kick-about in Sefton Park. The jumpers for goalposts vibes alone should be enough for even the biggest cretins to accept it’s not remotely comparable.

 

[StevieM]

I saw his first goal, and the ground looked no more illustrious than a kick-about in Sefton Park. The jumpers for goalposts vibes alone should be enough for even the biggest cretins to accept it’s not remotely comparable.

You know they will though.

 

[bluebell]

covers Guehi and Leoni's fees. Would bring net spend to about £200m when you include Isak

View: https://x.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1955395466969165849

 

[StevieM]

You know what… if we sell Cheesie… I think we need another forward, ideally one that can play either flank.

Rodrygo on loan would do the trick.

 

[localny]

Well, its "Jesus", not "Jaysus". Don't you know its fucking rude to spell people's name incorrectly?
I miss words out of sentences, which is a way bigger issue.

In fairness Jaysis or Jaysus is the correct phonetics to some of us 😆

 

[rubans]

The amount if turn over wasn’t something I expected but does seem necessary somewhat.

 

[The Nomad]

You know what… if we sell Cheesie… I think we need another forward, ideally one that can play either flank.

Rodrygo on loan would do the trick.

I dont think we sell cheesy after signing the boy...

 

[Modo]

I dont think we sell cheesy after signing the boy...

This is how it's going to go:

 

[bluebell]

You know what… if we sell Cheesie… I don't think we need another forward, ideally one that can play either flank.

Rodrygo on loan would do the trick.

No we don't! Rodrygo is destined for Man City, though i would never say no to him. AFCON lasts 6 weeks and we have enough players to fill in for Mo.
I think after we get Isak and CBs, the squad is almost perfect. You could make a case there's a big drop off between Grav to Endo, but Slot haa decided to retain Endo's services, so you have to trust the guy's decision.

 

[Frogfish]

No we don't! Rodrygo is destined for Man City, though i would never say no to him. AFCON lasts 6 weeks and we have enough players to fill in for Mo.
I think after we get Isak and CBs, the squad is almost perfect. You could make a case there's a big drop off between Grav to Endo, but Slot haa decided to retain Endo's services, so you have to trust the guy's decision.

You mean how Slot trusted Endo last season?!

 

[YNWA]

You know what… if we sell Cheesie… I think we need another forward, ideally one that can play either flank.

Rodrygo on loan would do the trick.

The Lookman / Leao transfers will be the trigger for Chiesa going to either Atalanta, Milan or Inter. Hopefully we can get around 15-20m euros.

I have a feeling we have told Fofana to be patient.

 

[Judge Jules]

Not sure Chiesa's going TBH. If we don't get Isak done I can see him staying, especially if those interested follow the usual Serie A pattern and try to wheedle a bad loan deal out of us. It might also help if he's around to help Leoni settle in.

 

[YNWA]

Agreed, if we don't sign Isak than Chiesa stays. We are already down one numerically vs last season

 

[Beamrider]

This is the additional jeopardy with signing Italians. When they don’t work out, only Italian teams are interested in taking them off your hands, and they only pay fees to each other.

 

[bluebell]

You mean how Slot trusted Endo last season?!

He trusted him more than Cheesy and Morton. I think we should get rid of Endo, but when a guy wins the PL with no additions and does it in his first season, he gets to do what ever he wants, He wants to keep Endo, he gets to keep Endo.
You know me, I am one of the first to complain about how we're short in X area then moan about it all season. I am not moaning. The #6 role is a concern but the concern is the squad option and if Slot isn't concerned then I won't be. I think Trey will leap frog Endo within the time frame of this season

 

[Al_Gatto]

I was feeling a bit nostalgic about the title winning team breaking up. Has anybody else been feeling the same way?

Thinking about it though and Lucho is probably the only player I'll miss. Nunez just frustrated me, really glad to see him go. Likewise, really glad to see the back of 'he who shall not be named' with his enormous head and lazy attitude. Quansah tried hard but looked limited, Leoni looks an upgrade. Irish Kev was a nice bloke and never moaned but Georgie is an upgrade.

I rated Morton but he did little the last couple of years. I really like Harvey but his limitations are becoming more obvious and he hasn't pushed on. Wirtz is lightyears ahead of him. Tsimikas always looks like he needs coffee and a fag but tbf he did improve to an acceptable level last season. Chiesa if/when he goes would be a shame but don't think anyone will ever see the player he once was. Missing his song kinda sums it up.

I can't believe the level of change and ruthlessness by Slot. It's just what the club needed though.

 

[peterhague]

No I've felt sad about the long disintegration of Klopp's old team for some time but not about the strange mongrel that won the title. It already felt like a bridge between two teams to me. It didn't have anything like the same identity that the 2018-22 team had.

 

[bluebell]

You mean how Slot trusted Endo last season?!

He trusted him more than Cheesy and Morton. I think we should've got rid of Endo, but when a guy wins the PL with no additions and does it in his first season, he gets to do what ever he wants
You know me, I am one of the first to complain about how we're short in X area then moan about it all season. I am not moaning. The #6 role is a concern but the concern is the squad position and if Slot isn't concerned then I won't be. I think Trey will leap frog Endo before the end of the season

 

[bazazaba]

Looks like Luca Stephenson is signing a new contract and then off to Dundee United on loan again. Young Player of the Season there last season. On the other hand, Isaac Mabaya, who was on loan to Wigan, is back at the club after what seems to be a bad injury in their last game.

It feels like half of our Academy players who go on loan end up with some serious injury while away from the club which costs them months of playing time or even scuppers the loan... guys like Mabaya, Bajcetic, Doak, Chambers, Gordon, Ramsey (he's always injured anyway), Glatzel, Danns, Balagizi, etc. I wonder if it's just serious bad luck, or if it's got something to do with how they're managed at the club versus out there.