Did we leave anyone behind?
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So where did it say he was shit? He has Carrol, and it was clear as fuck that he could have helped the team better than i.e. Joe Cole saturday. We couldn't keep the ball at all, and Carroll would have given us an alternative route. Joe Cole on didn't make any sense at all. So that gives us two opportunities: Either Rodgers is stupid, which I don't believe, or he is stubborn and did not do what was best for the club saturday.
Darren Bent. That's where we are at as a club. Darren Bent would be an improvement. Says it all really.
Don't be harsh. He is supposed to be a tikitaka wonderman,
You said that he proved IN ONE FUCKING GAME that he doesn't, not maybe might not, not possibly doesn't, but doesn't know what he needs to do for the best of the club.
Proved.
He doesn't.
One game.
Ridiculous.
Look. We all know he doesn't like Carroll. He doesn't want Carroll to be a success, cause it is against his football philosophy. And that is fair and square. You can't blame him for that.
BUT by not putting Carroll on instead of Cole saturday he proved that he is willing to not do what is best for the club to show how good his football philosphy is. You can choose to not see it. But he sacrifised what was best for the club to prove his point on how we should play. Of course you can neglect it and say it was down to bad luck that Joe Cole couldn't get the team going, but hey. You can't argue that this was the one chance he had to actually show he was willing to compromise on his own plan to do what was necessary, and he didn't. What more do you need as proof?
And by the way, I did not say that he doesn't know. I said he did not do. It was fucking obvious to anyone what would be the best in that situation. Even to Rodgers.
Yes, but like you said:
So.....unless you were being facetious, he knows what he's doing.
He has a long-term plan/vision.
Or, were you just being a short-term, short-sighted, reactionary bellend (again) ?
Tell me, do you still want FSG OUT ?
I think that's unfair. It's reasonably plausible to think he's sceptical about Carroll, but I'm sure he'd be delighted to be proven wrong. FSG want to get rid.
In my eyes Bent is not more suited to Rdosgers style than Carroll. They both do the major part fo the job inside the box, and are not to suited to build up play by going for triangles or a lot of small play out in the wings. Hence my comment that Bent would be a TikiTaka wonderman. He doesnt't fit the bill anymore than Carroll.
Of course he has a long term view. That is one of the problems with this club. Everyone have a long term plan, and points out that we will eventually be good some day. And the next moment they talk about laxck of money. it is nothing wrong by being good now is it?
It might be that Rodgers will make wonders out of this team (I am not convinsed). Does he has the players to do so? he has spent big money on Borini, one guy I think look way to lightweight to make it here. He has spent big money on Allen that looked very promising. We played decent one half so far, but a lot of that was carried by a very sharp Suarez. Long term plans is ok, but we must demand something now as well.
yes I still want FSG out. I don't like them and I don't believe in them.
Bent is as average a player as Downing and Carroll. We've got too many players who are reliant on the service. What we lacked going into the Summer, and arguably still do, is a player like Suarez who can conjure up something out of nothing, who can be a maverick and create in tight spots, against sides we're struggling to breakdown. Yeah he's a good finisher, so on that note you could argue he'd be ideal, but I thought that was why we bought Borini.
You actually believe that? People don't get that far by being delighted to be proven wrong. They hate to be proven wrong, and they will never ever admit that they are pro wrong. The thing that gets them there in the first place is that they are willing to kill to be proven right. We are not talking about the new manager at thwe local McDonalds that suddenly found out that the hopless twit was a lovely chap afterall. This is a highly prestigous move from him, and when he is willing to take a 15 mill pound loss on his most expensive asset I can promise you one thing: He will not be delighted to be proven wrong.
People like what? So again, you're judging Rodgers on the evidence of what? One game? A few stories in the papers? What Rafa and Kenny were like? When he was at Reading and Swansea, despite spending some money he had to work with alot of players he probably didn't want/rate, but made the best of it and got them playing football.
The issue with Carroll has always been at boardroom level, we overpaid, he knows it, we know it, the club know it. He's on big wages and we're already behind the pack financially, so we can't justify having that amount of money eating up wages while warming the bench. It's got fuck all to do with stubbornness and stringently sticking to philosophies. It's got everything to do with letting him (and the rest of the Premiership) know that we want him to go to give us some money and free up some wages. It's fuck all to do with Tika Taka shit.
I caught a tiny glimpse of his latest post and now I'm craving a fucking McDonalds, the bastard. Can you still get cheeseburgers there for 90p or something?
High style football managers. They hate to be proven wrong once they have made up a mind. It is the same to say that Fergie is delighted to be proven wrong. Do you really think so? You don't get these jobs by being proved worng. You get them by being proved right. So from me it is an appreciation of that the guy has got as far as he has. And lets face it, this guy was tough enough to say that he was not interested in being one of many interviewd for the job. either they choose him or they forget him. Does it sound like a guy who is delighted when he is proven wrong?
Being delighted to be proven wrong and admitting to it are two different things. I'm sure Shanks, Paisley et al were proven wrong but, when it suited them, they were vain/canny enough to spin it as a shrewd change of approach. Look, I've praised Rodgers for his off-field behaviour and comments, I've said I like much about his footballing philosophy, but I reserve the right to judge his actions, or lack of actions, on their individual merits, and if foam-mouthed dogmatists like Ryan want to style that as foam-mouthed dogmatism, well, more fool them. On the subject of Carroll, I don't pretend to know what's going on in Rodgers' head, but I think, as a massively under-pressure manager, he'd welcome goals from anyone right now, and if Carroll grabbed a chance he'd figure - and Rodgers is a clever enough talker to spin it as evidence of his own man-management, motivational powers and tactical nous. Managers are proud and vain but they're also pragmatists, even though they don't admit to it.
Well you might be right. I choose to see them as mean bastards that gives their kids a real verbal stretch before they send them to school in the morning. At least Ihope we get one of those in the not to long term, that actually can tell the sloppy fannies (players) what is acceptable and what is not acceptable when playing for this club.... We need it.
I can't think of a single point in his career Paisley can possible have been proved wrong. But thats another story...
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