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Liverpool braced for statistical revolution

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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42845.msg1221241#msg1221241 date=1290248670]
I've got a horrible feeling this whole approach is going to end in tears. Tears of regret for us and tears of laughter for everyone else.
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That's where the old school approach has us now.

Anything else is worth a try at this stage.
 
Aside from people just drawing on what NESV did at Red Sox, is there any concrete evidence to suggest we will be fully investing ourselves in this supposed new age statto approach?

It's not as though using stats is some ground-breaking concept in football here. People might not be calling it sabermetrics, but I'm sure - as one or two articles have already described - that many clubs have already looked into the possibility of making better use of the stats available to them or finding value in new ones.

It's the same thing with this Director of Football business - it's nothing new. Perhaps I am just a little sceptical at this point.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42845.msg1221241#msg1221241 date=1290248670]
I've got a horrible feeling this whole approach is going to end in tears. Tears of regret for us and tears of laughter for everyone else.
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That's where the old school approach has us now.

Anything else is worth a try at this stage.
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Or we could just hire a great manager and buy some great players. It's not the 'old school' approach that's failed at Liverpool, it's the utterly disastrous and chaotic way we've been run recently.

The application of baseball methodology to football sounds like a disaster-in-waiting to me. Hopefully keni's right and most of these articles are just hyped-up generalisations based on circumstantial evidence.
 
There are very few managers that be considered great, most of them just manage in favourable situations.

I don't really get the circumstantial evidence bit ?

The majority of top clubs are run in a fashion whereby the manager is just one cog in the wheel, it's just common sense much like not relying on one striker for the season.
 
Managers are the most important person at the club. The rest of them are there to support him and sign fucking cheques.

Dynasties are built by managers and trophies, not bellends with spreadsheets and glorified scouts with glasses and inflated job titles
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42845.msg1221286#msg1221286 date=1290259934]
Managers are the most important person at the club. The rest of them are there to support him and sign fucking cheques.

Dynasties are built by managers and trophies, not bellends with spreadsheets and glorified scouts with glasses and inflated job titles
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More disasters have been built by managers than dynasties. Given that most of them are fucking half wits anyway it makes no sense to make them the most important person at the club.

Give them a role within a well defined structure and leave them to it.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42845.msg1221256#msg1221256 date=1290253215]
There are very few managers that be considered great, most of them just manage in favourable situations.

I don't really get the circumstantial evidence bit ?

The majority of top clubs are run in a fashion whereby the manager is just one cog in the wheel, it's just common sense much like not relying on one striker for the season.


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'Circumstantial evidence': ie, we've been bought by NESV, who used Beane's sabermetrics methodology at the Red Sox - therefore they're definitely going to do the same thing at LFC, despite all the obvious differences between baseball and football.

Maybe 'extrapolation' would have been a better phrase?

Basically I'm hoping they're sensible rather than dogmatic about it, because I have a feeling these stats are going to tell us that Lucas is a better player than Steven Gerrard.
 
Indeed. How often have we seen mongs like headwand and O'Tomkins use stats about pass completion and interceptions and successful tackles when discussing Lucas's brilliance
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42845.msg1221296#msg1221296 date=1290260987]
Indeed. How often have we seen mongs like headwand and O'Tomkins use stats about pass completion and interceptions and successful tackles when discussing Lucas's brilliance
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Was rebel a Lucas fan? I don't remember that. I mean, I know he was into a lot of nutty conspiratorial bollocks like Christian Purslow being the spawn of Satan and all that, but rating Lucas is something else.
 
He went through a period saying he was better than Alonso or something, and how we'd lost hardly any games when he played. Then we started losing lots of games when he played, and the deranged twat found something else to go mental about.
 
Lucarse is the ideal player to discern whether or not you're talking to a football fan, or an armchair superfan SQUAWK cunt

Not one person I know, like or respect thinks Lucas is any good. Most think he's a cunt, and don't even bother talking about 'game intelligence', mainly because they're not twats
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42845.msg1221256#msg1221256 date=1290253215]
There are very few managers that be considered great, most of them just manage in favourable situations.

I don't really get the circumstantial evidence bit ?

The majority of top clubs are run in a fashion whereby the manager is just one cog in the wheel, it's just common sense much like not relying on one striker for the season.


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'Circumstantial evidence': ie, we've been bought by NESV, who used Beane's sabermetrics methodology at the Red Sox - therefore they're definitely going to do the same thing at LFC, despite all the obvious differences between baseball and football.

Maybe 'extrapolation' would have been a better phrase?

Basically I'm hoping they're sensible rather than dogmatic about it, because I have a feeling these stats are going to tell us that Lucas is a better player than Steven Gerrard.
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Well with the sizable minority of RAWK would anyone actually believe that ?

If you look at the wrong stats they might - taking the example in one of the articles in the thread - pass completion. It's found that there is no correlation between pass completion and winning, it's pass completion in the final third that matters. I'm expecting someone to come in and now argue that I'm saying that being able to pass doesn't matter in football, but I think most people can see the distinction.

Beane was a little dogmatic in 2002 when it came to drafting youngsters - go and read Moneyball yourself, it'll take you a day to get through it. He trusted numbers whereas the scouts trusted their eyes, and both were wrong at times. One example of Beane getting it wrong was Jeremy Brown. He had all the right stats that Beane wanted. All the scouts said he'd never make it because he had a "bad body". He made it to the Major Leagues briefly but never stuck around. Back then it was a battle between scouts and stats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-moneyball081706


NESV seem to have managed to avoid the dogma of either and mesh the two seemingly disparate schools of evaluation to provide them with better information to make decisions. If they can do the same with us we'll do well.

Essentially - the statistical analysis isn't going to tell us anything we don't already know but it will help us put a value on it.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42845.msg1221296#msg1221296 date=1290260987]
Indeed. How often have we seen mongs like headwand and O'Tomkins use stats about pass completion and interceptions and successful tackles when discussing Lucas's brilliance
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Was rebel a Lucas fan? I don't remember that. I mean, I know he was into a lot of nutty conspiratorial bollocks like Christian Purslow being the spawn of Satan and all that, but rating Lucas is something else.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42845.msg1221310#msg1221310 date=1290262046]
He went through a period saying he was better than Alonso or something, and how we'd lost hardly any games when he played. Then we started losing lots of games when he played, and the deranged twat found something else to go mental about.
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I think he came up with his theories on Purslow after his ones on Lucas were disproven and laughed off the site
 
A critical view:

LIVERPOOL'S scouts used to knock on the manager's door, take out a few sheets of A4 and sheepishly start to discuss their findings.

Joe Fagan, former coach and later Treble-winning manager, listened impatiently. Then he'd grab the report, give it a quick glance and dismissively shove it aside.

"I've one question to ask and I want this to be the only thought in your head when I send you to watch a player," he'd say.

"Can he play or what?"


That was the essence of 30 years of the most productive recruitment in Anfield history.

A simple, cut-to-the-chase philosophy by which every employee entrusted with the buying of players had to abide.

Is this footballer fast, athletic, brave, in possession of a good touch and does he have the right temperament?

Can he play?

One can only speculate on the elaborate questionnaire modern football scouts must fill in, and the reams of red tape required in the process of spotting a player and eventually signing him.

Given some of the dross currently cheating a living in the Premier League, whether the target "can play" seems the least of the scouts' worries as such factors as price, age, agent's fee, sell-on clause and how many days a week he and his WAG hit the town are considered.

Whatever process has been adopted to claim Anfield's first league title since 1990 hasn't worked.

Of course there have been immaculate triumphs, and let's not rewrite history and say Liverpool have not had success since then. But the last four managers lost their jobs because their signings became progressively worse.

That's why new owners New England Sport Ventures have enforced an overhaul in strategy led by Damien Comolli.

A return to the halcyon days of broad simplicity may be too much to ask.

The art of scouting is becoming increasingly based on complex mathematical formulae and Comolli's arrival has been accompanied by great emphasis on the statistical aspects of buying and selling players.

The phrase "sabermetrics", which until last month many would have thought referred to a convention of Star Wars followers, has now become integral to the future of Liverpool FC.

It's worked in baseball (although that view is not universally shared in the United States) and it will now be applied at Anfield.

Until there are tangible results, there will be inevitable suspicion that trying to quantify a football game by formulating a scientific theory of success is perilous.

Can you really examine a visual medium with the assistance of a calculator?

Of course, statistics can underline certain self-evident truths. Football academics have been able to make themselves appear incredibly important in recent years by analysing games to satirical degrees.

Did you know it was recently revealed that a team who spends the most money at the start of every season has more chance of winning the league than one that spends less?

No, really, sit yourself down. It's true. I'm currently working on proving my own hypothesis that teams that score most goals during the course of 90 minutes have a greater chance of winning games.

I'm hoping to become a Professor of Football once my conclusions are reached.

But while some statistics add weight to arguments, some lie, deceive and manipulate thought to such an horrific extent that the wisest managers view them with only passing interest.

They're supposed to be useful guides, not the basis of a cultish new religion. Only coaches on a mission to spin and self-justify are a slave to them.

The trouble is that managers (and fans) regularly exploit statistics to blur reality, using them as a device to convince you the utter rubbish you just watched was actually a reconstruction of Brazil v Italy in the 1970 World Cup.

"We've had more shots on goal than anyone in the league," you might hear an under-pressure manager proclaim with factual accuracy, failing to note 50 per cent of those trickled to the goalkeeper and barely fitted the description "backpass".

How many times do you hear coaches mention the number of corners they won as a means to suggest they're an offensive team?

Strangely, TV production companies have resisted the temptation to release a compilation DVD entitled 101 Great Set-pieces.

If you look at the appearance records at some clubs, you could be forgiven for thinking certain players must be legendary club stalwarts when in reality they're fringe lightweights.

Liverpool's top scorer this season is David N'Gog. A football novice who worships the stats might query why he's not preferred every week to Fernando Torres.

There is also a deeper problem in a scouting system which claims to be able scientifically to assess the value of a player and apply it to the unscrupulous world of football.

Imagine if Comolli identifies the greatest teenage talent in France. He watches him 10 times over six months, decides he's worth £3m in transfer fees, a £500k signing-on fee and a £300k commission fee for the agent. What happens next?

If the youngster is any good, Manchester City bid £5m, a £1m signing-on fee and offer an extra £700k for the agent. All the sabermetrics theory will have achieved is to do all the hard work for a club prepared to pay over the odds at the 11th hour.


Until Comolli unveils half-a-dozen top class players, the fear will remain that Liverpool are heading down an idealistic road which cannot possibly guarantee success.

For all the complex theories, Liverpool fans must hope it is the timeless sound of Joe Fagan's voice that resonates most in Comolli's head on his next scouting mission.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42845.msg1221291#msg1221291 date=1290260595]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42845.msg1221256#msg1221256 date=1290253215]
There are very few managers that be considered great, most of them just manage in favourable situations.

I don't really get the circumstantial evidence bit ?

The majority of top clubs are run in a fashion whereby the manager is just one cog in the wheel, it's just common sense much like not relying on one striker for the season.


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'Circumstantial evidence': ie, we've been bought by NESV, who used Beane's sabermetrics methodology at the Red Sox - therefore they're definitely going to do the same thing at LFC, despite all the obvious differences between baseball and football.

Maybe 'extrapolation' would have been a better phrase?

Basically I'm hoping they're sensible rather than dogmatic about it, because I have a feeling these stats are going to tell us that Lucas is a better player than Steven Gerrard.
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Well with the sizable minority of RAWK would anyone actually believe that ?

If you look at the wrong stats they might - taking the example in one of the articles in the thread - pass completion. It's found that there is no correlation between pass completion and winning, it's pass completion in the final third that matters. I'm expecting someone to come in and now argue that I'm saying that being able to pass doesn't matter in football, but I think most people can see the distinction.

Beane was a little dogmatic in 2002 when it came to drafting youngsters - go and read Moneyball yourself, it'll take you a day to get through it. He trusted numbers whereas the scouts trusted their eyes, and both were wrong at times. One example of Beane getting it wrong was Jeremy Brown. He had all the right stats that Beane wanted. All the scouts said he'd never make it because he had a "bad body". He made it to the Major Leagues briefly but never stuck around. Back then it was a battle between scouts and stats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-moneyball081706


NESV seem to have managed to avoid the dogma of either and mesh the two seemingly disparate schools of evaluation to provide them with better information to make decisions. If they can do the same with us we'll do well.

Essentially - the statistical analysis isn't going to tell us anything we don't already know but it will help us put a value on it.

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OK, that sounds fair enough in theory. All depends on the practice now...
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42845.msg1221317#msg1221317 date=1290262373]
Lucarse is the ideal player to discern whether or not you're talking to a football fan, or an armchair superfan SQUAWK cunt

Not one person I know, like or respect thinks Lucas is any good. Most think he's a cunt, and don't even bother talking about 'game intelligence', mainly because they're not twats


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Where does Danny "10 times better than Lucas will ever be" Guthrie fit into that conversation though? Would you mind clearing that up for us "superfan SQUAWK cunts"?
 
Why has the Premier League become so much more competitive this season? Only 10 points separate Chelsea, the leaders, and Blackpool, in 12th, after 14 games. Last season, after the same number of games, the gap between top and 12th was 19 points. The season before last Liverpool finished second despite losing just two games. Every weekend, the title challengers are dropping points – Arsenal and Chelsea were the latest to lose this weekend – and it makes for an exciting, unpredictable league.

But why is it happening? There are several theories for the relative decline in power of the old oligarchy. Has the 50p tax rate and the weakness of the pound forced the very best players abroad? Are the big clubs being handicapped by their debt burdens? Is it just the coincidental end of a cycle at the big clubs?

Arsene Wenger has another theory, which I find compelling. He thinks that widespread availability of new technology and the statistical analysis it allows you to perform has levelled the playing field.

“The intensity of the games in England has really gone up,†Wenger said. “What the statistics have done, is that they have kicked out of the game all the players who cannot run. Suddenly the English level is much higher. You play against a team and you know it.â€

Where Wenger has really noticed the improvement in the Premier League’s middle-ranking teams has been at the end of games. Over the years, he had grown used to watching the opposition fade dramatically at the end of games as chasing Arsenal’s passes left them exhausted. Now teams can play at high intensity right up to the whistle.

“Before you would play a team and know that in the last 20 minutes they would be dead,†he said. “That does not exist anymore. The physical demands are very, very high and that provokes of course an adjustment of the mental. You must find somewhere else to make the difference.â€

All clubs now have access to ProZone data, in which they can track to quite a sophisticated degree not just how far players run in games but the types of runs they are making. The fitter players are the better they will be able to concentrate and therefore make fewer errors.

Obviously individual brilliance can still decide a game (Rafael van der Vaart looks dead after an hour but keeps winning games for Spurs) but clubs are taking statistical analysis very seriously. Liverpool want to try to translate the valid aspects of Sabermetrics – the statistical analysis used in baseball – to help them with conditioning and recruitment while Chelsea’s Mike Forde is at the cutting edge of football data analysis and uses his info to help Carlo Ancelotti.

The top clubs have responded to the evolving technology by exloring new avenues, especially for how to analyse performance in training. Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have all started working with an Irish company called STATsports who provide special vests which can be tracked by satellite – essentially GPS for players. England have started using the system to try to combat fatigue and injury.

“It gives you a lot of information,†said Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis. “It tells you not just how far the players are running and how fast they are running and what levels of intense activity they have in training. It also measures something called ‘the load’ – and this is literally the amount of time a player’s foot is on the ground while he is running.

“You can see if you have a player coming up to a risk of injury in a subsequent game because you can see two things in general: one is that their work-rate comes down in training and secondly their ‘load’ increases. In other words, their foot stays on the ground for longer when they run. When you are feeling good and feeling active you are more on your toes. When you’re not, you’re more on your heels. That can help you to predict when players are in a dangerous situation.â€

As with all this kind of analysis, you need to build up large amounts of data on players before you start noticing aberrations or patterns, so the impact of the latest GPS technology will only increase in the coming seasons – these things have a delayed impact. Clubs that refuse to embrace the technological revolution are already losing ground.
 
Presumably this is why the medical team were so pissed off with Capello. They knew it was coming.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42845.msg1223041#msg1223041 date=1290584817]
Presumably this is why the medical team were so pissed off with Capello. They knew it was coming.
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Yeah, that was my thought aswell. Burgess reaction was very clear to say the least.
 
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here's another article on this moneyball stuff from today's Independent:

John W Henry made his millions by using hard data to play the futures markets and get the edge on those prepared to rely on instinct. When he bought the Florida Marlins in January 1999, he discovered that baseball was another industry prepared to base huge financial decisions on hunches. "Many people think they are smarter than others in baseball and that the game on the field is simply what they think it is, through their set of images and beliefs," Henry reflected. "Actual data from the market means more than individual perception. The same is [as] true in baseball [as the stock market.]"


But the seminal American book on the subject, Moneyball, demonstrates that the Marlins were a tougher nut to crack than Wall Street. The book, which maps the way the Oaklands A's were transformed by general manager Billy Beane's determination to instil the metrics system he developed from the ground-breaking work of Bill James, suggests that Henry struggled to get the Marlins coaches interested. "For a man who had never played professional baseball to impose upon... a major league baseball franchise an entirely new way of doing things meant alienating the baseball insiders he employed: the manager, the scouts, the players," author Michael Lewis wrote. "In the end he would be ostracised by the organisation. And what was the point of being in baseball if you weren't in baseball?"

The secret of Beane's success has not been so much using statistical data to help tactically and in the transfer market – the sport was already doing that – as using data that no one else was looking at. "What we tried to do was find value in areas where most people weren't necessarily applying the right values and that meant we could go for the players no one else was interested in," Beane told The Independent. "Every event that happens on any pitch has a value attached to it. Technology now allows us to gather any kind of information. The rubicon is applying it."

He is, at arm's length, attempting to do that in football. Just before joining a group of investors which took over the San Jose Earthquakes Major League Soccer franchise in 2007, Beane heard about a talk given by the Leeds Business School professor of sports management and finance, Dr Bill Gerrard. The subject was how metrics – or "statistical performance analysis" as Gerrard described it – might be translated from baseball to football. The two spent over two years attempting to do that for the Quakes.

Dr Gerrard says he produced over 80 reports for Beane. These included analyses of the common features of every game the Quakes won and loss. He also developed a player-rating system based on 30 actions each individual completed in a game, each of which was weighted according to its significance to the Quakes winning. Taken with the salaries for each player, published by the MLS players' union, Dr Gerrard was able to produce a value rating for every player. Beane was also interested in a statistical approach to the MLS draft system, under which each side is allowed to protect 11 players. "He wanted me to produce a roster, within the $2m salary cap, of players who had not been protected," said Dr Gerrard.

Beane says metrics enabled him to sign players, though he will not disclose names. However, the Earthquakes' owners, including Beane, had pledged not to force the ideas on coaching staff. After two years, coach Frank Yallop, the former long-serving Ipswich Town defender, wanted to pursue a different route.

These ideas are not alien to the British game. Bolton's innovative former performance director, Mike Forde, now at Chelsea, embraced them and asked Gerrard for a report after hearing him give a presentation. But Bolton ultimately went their own way without Gerrard, whose time working at Arsenal was also brief. "People see you as a threat and a meddler and can be very negative to you," Gerrard said. "At the football coaching end there is a great belief that you need to have played the game at the highest level to understand it."

Beane acknowledges that metrics forms only a part of the matrix of football success. He has not forgotten an encounter with Sir Alex Ferguson at a conference in the United States a few years back. "I'm physically a much bigger man than he is but there's something in him which makes you want to be a part of what he is doing. He doesn't waste words but when he says something it means something."

But Beane urges patience. "There is a misperception that with metrics you are not going to spend money but that's not true," he said. "Great players can cost a lot of money but become worth many times more than you pay. Metrics can help you see the potential in young players, who stay healthier and who you can pay less, leaving you more money to buy the great players." Beane believes Henry will make metrics work at Anfield because he is "one of the most innovative businessmen I have known". Recent history suggests powers of persuasion may also be required.

Metrics: How data can (and can't) help football

Missed tackles

Defensive statistics are generally very useful. Minimising defensive errors is a key to success in all sports and work Gerrard carried out in rugby league has found these to be the best predictor of a win or loss. Missed tackles in the final third are particularly significant.

Successful entry into the final third

Since one goal is generally scored for every eight shots on goal, the completion rate of balls into the final third is a critical indicator when taken with the number of shots produced from those balls in.

Second-ball possession

Integral to the intelligent use of metrics is an understanding of how the team manager wants his team to play. "Tell me what your team would look like if they were playing as you want them to play," is what Gerrard says to managers he works with. If it is a team such as Stoke, who depend on aerial balls into the area, balls sent into the opponents' corner, perhaps winning a throw-in, are important.

Wages as a measure of a player's value for money

Gerrard's work for Beane at the San Jose Earthquakes included a player-by-player analysis based on 30 actions in a game which, when applied to the salaries of those players, enabled the side to calculate precisely which players represented good value for money.

And the data that does not help....

Percentage possession

"Activity statistics", as they are known, are not generally helpful. Time in possession does not offer any prediction of how much a player is contributing, as it does not tell if a player is contributing to scoring and is not generally predictive of an outcome. A lot of teams that lose do have a lot of offensive play but are unable to do enough with it.

Pass completion

Can be equally unhelpful, since it is passes into the final third of the field which can affect the outcome of games. Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas tends to make a lot of misplaced passes, because he is trying to split defences. There is a risk-return calculation where he is concerned.

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On the above article - am I the only one that drew the conclusion that if minimising missed tackles was more important than passing in our own half then a player like Agger - who to my mind misses a lot of tackles - is an overvalued commodity ?

Or am I on the wrong track ?
 
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On the above article - am I the only one that drew the conclusion that if minimising missed tackles was more important than passing in our own half then a player like Agger - who to my mind misses a lot of tackles - is an overvalued commodity ?

Or am I on the wrong track ?
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No I think it says judging the effect of pass completion is more difficult than missed tackles for example.
 
I read it as passing in the final third is most important, given that centre backs will spend a minimal amount of time in the final third then it seems to me that a centre backs passing is not an ability we should be paying for . If they can pass well great, but it shouldn't be something that we go chasing.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42845.msg1224016#msg1224016 date=1290759911]
I read it as passing in the final third is most important, given that centre backs will spend a minimal amount of time in the final third then it seems to me that a centre backs passing is not an ability we should be paying for . If they can pass well great, but it shouldn't be something that we go chasing.
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But it says the data is unhelpful not that passing percentage doesn't matter. I'd say it means that passing is such a diverse quantity that it is impossible to make much analysing just based on percentages because players have so different passing styles. For example if Cesc completes 60% of his passes can be much more effective than Lucas completing 95% of his passes and so just looking at the stats would not give much info on their effect on the game.

edit. Actually I think we pretty much agree on this. If Agger's tackle percentage is low(is it?), then we probably wouldn't go for him if we do it on stats alone.
edit2. But we would never do it on stats alone and passing is one of the things that still needs to be scouted 'manually'. These statistics are after all only meant to be a help tool in side of normal scouting.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=42845.msg1223012#msg1223012 date=1290578411]
Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have all started working with an Irish company called STATsports who provide special vests which can be tracked by satellite – essentially GPS for players. [/b]England have started using the system to try to combat fatigue and injury.

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This isn't a new thing. Hundreds of clubs use it.

I think the best thing i did with it was put the tag on a lad who was a bit tubby and told him we would be monitoring him closely all game. I never turned the laptop on but he certainly ran around alot more! He came off afterwards and i explained what i'd done. He now works hard every game, is much leaner and is really enjoying his football.
 
I don't see how you can compare missing a tackle in the defensive third in Rugby League with pass completion in Football (even though I do agree, subjectively, that Agger should be sold).
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1337817/Kenny-Dalglish-Mancinis-Manchester-City-prove-defence-come-first.html

Genius has no need for stats

Clubs spend thousands on Prozone, Opta stats and the like but I’ve never seen a better bit of football tech than the eyes and ears of Bob Paisley.

He was a genius who could compute any footballing problem and invariably come up with the right answer.

Players now are reputed to have the best scientific and medical advice available but still seem to spend longer on the treatment table than ever. Bob, through his experience and instinct, seemed to judge exactly when a player could come back without doing himself damage.

And as for the modern game’s global scouting networks, when they can find an Ian Rush for £300,000 or an Alan Hansen for £100,000 — as Bob did — I will be impressed.

A note to the John Henry and Comolli then.
 
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