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Liverpool related transfer speculation
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It's feels jarring that we're in one of the best shapes the club has been for the last thirty years and still our players want to fuck off. We're talking about players that are regular starts in a club that cruised to a PL and for a while considered CL favourites and have just tied down Salah and VVD, and sighed Wirtz, kept Ali, etc, which most would agree guarantees some success over the next 3-4 years, and we still can't tie down some players. It's apples and oranges, but it must make the likes of Gerrard pull his hair out. The man would have dreamed to have this platform. I can sleep at night knowing it all comes down to cold hard cash, beyond that, the club couldn't do much more for players.
Money talks and playing for Madrid has become fashionable again.
Just look at the rat.
There's certain players who wish they could play the game on their own and have all the spotlight and think they have transcended the sport, and that's all down to Madrid and Barca and their stupid fucking Hollywood version of the sport. You can't really fight it, when that's the kind of person you're dealing with. On the other hand you get players who just want to play for Liverpool because it's all about the club, and they want to be a Liverpool legend, not a brand in their own right.
As for Ibou, as beamrider said, he's never seemed fully immersed in the way VVD has from day 1. He's from Paris, he's had his fun and his success here, but could you ever see him staying here when he's finished? I can see that for VVD perhaps. Klopp is building paddle ball courts in Wavertree. Loads of legends from Kenny to Rafa never left. There's people who get it and people who don't.
As for Ibou, as beamrider said, he's never seemed fully immersed in the way VVD has from day 1. He's from Paris, he's had his fun and his success here, but could you ever see him staying here when he's finished? I can see that for VVD perhaps. Klopp is building paddle ball courts in Wavertree. Loads of legends from Kenny to Rafa never left. There's people who get it and people who don't.
@Beamrider worked for the club maybe he can tell us how rumours get out but from my knowledge the lead source is the agent. I know when I worked for Barclays as an Account Executive, I would talk Financial Controllers all the time. One of them was a director at West Ham. He didn't give me any transfer gossip but he did tell me how inept footballers were outside football. They had to be mothered and even went onto say that they even had to sort out payments for baby mothers because these men were having unprotected sex.
I was a nobody in the bank but I imagine the Relationship Director who basically lent money to businesses had on occasions very good juicy gossip.
If there is a very large, and unfair, wage disparity then you are going to have unhappy punters. Diaz is the standout here. If he doesn't have large bonuses built in then he is clearly underpaid in comparison to his team-mates. Ibou also seems to be on a wage at the lower end of the scale for a regular starter in a PL (and CL favourites) winning team.
I'm still hopeful we can get Ibou to sign up to a better deal. Not at all sure about Diaz. I want Diaz to stay but he's got 3 years left and he's 28, a new deal doesn't seem in our best interest but a higher salary commensurate with his standing should be better for all.
Well, from an LFC perspective I can tell you that the rumours don't come from the admin side. Very few people know what's going on, and those that do can keep their mouths shut (and believe it's in their best interests to do so). I remember one of the football admin people telling me one time that if it ever got to the stage when a load of fans knew his name or who he was then he'd resign - he didn't believe he should be a recognisable public figure, he was just a guy who did a job. He's still there and you probably have no idea who he is.
I'm convinced most of the leaks come from the training ground but It wasn't always that way. I knew a guy who advised the club years back and he told me we were signing Harry Kewell a week or so before it became public (which he'd got from one of his financial contacts).
There was a time when we'd see a list with names on it, that became a list with initials (which we usually worked out with respect to targets) and then a list with just positions on it. And then ultimately that list was restricted to a very small group (that was the point that I dropped out of the loop). To be clear, I never leaked anything, and I don't believe I was ever suspected of doing so, but I was still cut out of the loop. The transfer team was pretty paranoid back then, and I doubt it's changed.
EDIT - there was one summer where we put together a proper process for linking up admin and player recruitment, and it worked well in terms of putting deals together, but the admin people started asking inconvenient questions and virtually all of the players we signed turned out to be shit (which obviously wasn't our fault). That degree of co-working didn't happen again.
It's probably different at other clubs, and a lot of the smaller clubs also have much smaller admin teams, so the work (and therefore the knowledge) on transfers gets passed around a bit more freely. But I'd still expect most of the leaks come from the training ground (whether from players or staff).
How about 3rd Parties working with the club? Lawyers, other clubs, banks etc?
Also 2 sides to the coin and maybe the other club (and agents etc.) are not so circumspect. Lots of potential for leaks.
Other clubs is definitely possible. As far as LFC is concerned, we do things in-house, we don't use lawyers for transfers - our in-house team knows more about the transfer market than they do. And we wouldn't give that level of detail to the banks, they don't need to know.
Anyone else we might talk to (e.g. sponsors) wouldn't get the level of detail that comes out in the press.
I think there’s one thing you can clearly see from Hughes taking over - there are no leaks and there is no talking to the press.
Negotiations 101 - keep your big mouth shut and say nothing - you’ll get a better deal by saying absolutely nothing.
Negotiations 101 - keep your big mouth shut and say nothing - you’ll get a better deal by saying absolutely nothing.
Everyone knew Kerkez, Frimpong and Wirtz were done long before?
I had a friend at primary school called Richard Head
My mum knew a man called Michael Hunt
Parents can be cruel (or stupid)
I used to work with a guy called Richard Michael Hunt. I reckon his parents were arseholes and they knew exactly what they were doing.
I know it's not rude but my favourite one I've ever heard was when my sister worked with a woman called Julia Caesar.
Back in the day there used to be a poster on here by the (user)name of Holden McHunt.
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