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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Not to bring up the substitution but if he was carrying a major injury then why was he left on the field for over 85 minutes against Benfica. This was the following Thursday. Subs against Brum only to be kicked all over the pitch against Benfica a few days later.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40455.msg1111669#msg1111669 date=1275522785]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1111657#msg1111657 date=1275522371]

1) The world recession fucked up the stadium , or did you miss that one whilst on planet fucking Zog. It also fucked up the rest of the yanks finances, just like it did to everyone else particularly DIC by the way, oh and Mr Abramovitch. [/quote]

that recession didn't stop arsenal from building their stadium, but anyway I brought up the yanks because you seem to be under the impression they (the yanks) wont do anything that will harm their investment anything more I say on that subject will be speculation, I'll leave it say and say 'time will time'.


2) Opinion that doesn't fall in with the masses is not thick, as it happens, I was in a fairly small minority for much of his tenure , airing my doubts. Thick is not seeing the blindingly fucking obvious (or is that buildingly fucking obvious), and not being able to change an opinion as it is so deeply entrenched.
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bringing up a typo, hilarious. why entrenched? remove last season and rafa's record is excellent.

last season was an absolute disgrace , no argument, who the fuck would argue that point? I just wanted him to given another season to put it right. people thought it was blindingly obvious to get rid of rafa with the horrendous winter slump (season before last) and then we went on an amazing winning run.

loads of people bring up fergie's early seasons, wasn't it blindingly obvious to get rid then?

3) He has earned fuck all.....you are as good as your last match, or in a managers case ....last season. Anyway, he only won what he did with a team based on Houlliers squad anyway and in two brilliant but lucky finals.
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so now we're reduced to calling the finals lucky? okay, whatever...

as I said before 'you're only as good as your last season' is a fair point of view, but I and many others don't share that point of view. I think rafa has been an excellent when you view his ENTIRE tenure but we're going to have to agree to disagree.



4) You got a bit right Neil, anyone who comes in will be a better option to be honest. Rafa spent over £36m last window and brought a right back and a crocked midfielder (who may yet come good), and totally forgot about some cunt that could score goals.
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the striker was the boards fault as the keane money wasn't reinvested, but I definately agree rafa could have done better in the transfer market but every manager makes mistakes in the transfer market, as I said I am well aware of rafa shortcomings of last season but I still think he had it in him to turn it around. and we are difinately going to have to agree to disagree than ANYONE who comes will be a better option.

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Errrr the Emirates was started in 2004 and finished in 2006 .......recession 2008

The Keane money was re-invested in Johnson and Aqualiani
The Alosnso money wasn't, who only for Rafa being a tool again would have still been here.
He has won us two cups in his time here, both early doors and both using the core of Houlliers team, and did not exactly inherit a team that was mid table, and spent a shit load of money since. Istanbul was a magical night and beating Chelsea before that was even better and I will always be grateful, but shit, we did have some luck.
I do know that whatever he has done he has done in what he genuinely believes are the right reasons for the club.
I liked Houllier up to the day he went, and was really upset then, but could see the logic. With Rafa, he started well, but I have not been convinced for some years, something went wrong when Paco left.

Anyways I will leave it there Neil, sorry if I over-stepped the line with the thick bit, but your comrade in arms was probably influencing me a little on that one 😉

regards
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40455.msg1111698#msg1111698 date=1275524674]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Not to bring up the substitution but if he was carrying a major injury then why was he left on the field for over 85 minutes against Benfica. This was the following Thursday. Subs against Brum only to be kicked all over the pitch against Benfica a few days later.


[/quote]

I thought the next game was the return against Benfica, when we battered them....eventually ?

My point being Fernando didn't receive anything like the treatment he got in Portugal.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40455.msg1111698#msg1111698 date=1275524674]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Not to bring up the substitution but if he was carrying a major injury then why was he left on the field for over 85 minutes against Benfica. This was the following Thursday. Subs against Brum only to be kicked all over the pitch against Benfica a few days later.


[/quote]

Because he wasn't. When Torres went off Gerrard asked him if he was injured , Torres shrugged and said no, and that is why they both looked so bemused.


regards
 
Imagine the scene - 1st day of next season, Kenny steps into the dugout after dusting off his old crown paints jacket.

and the crowd goes wild.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1111701#msg1111701 date=1275524743]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40455.msg1111696#msg1111696 date=1275524473]
new from barrett

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7143026.ece
[/quote]

I agree with most of the points in that article. I hope the posters revelling in their glee at the manager's departure enjoy their moment, as it will get a lot worse before it gets better. A lot, lot worse.
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You sound like Rebel, too. Nobody wants him to fail, but he has. Can all the Rafa fans stop turning it around to make it look like they WANT the club to fail. This whole "You'll see" attitude is quite annoying.

I 'd have loved nothing better than for Rafa to have worked here, but it hasn't so we had to rectify it and move on. Others should move on too.

Next season if we lose a game I can imagine certain posters coming out the woodwork going "I told you so. Rafa would have won us this and that".
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=40455.msg1111704#msg1111704 date=1275524929]
Imagine the scene - 1st day of next season, Kenny steps into the dugout after dusting off his old crown paints jacket.

and the crowd goes wild.
[/quote]

And Standard Charter go absolutely mental.

But, yes, I gets ya.
 
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=40455.msg1111704#msg1111704 date=1275524929]
Imagine the scene - 1st day of next season, Kenny steps into the dugout after dusting off his old crown paints jacket.

and the crowd goes wild.
[/quote]

And we get beat, cos Kenny hasn't signed anybody decent all summer long, and has no clue about modern football given he's been out of the game for 10 fucking years.

Wonderful.

We should stick Ian Rush up front too while we're at it. Knows where the goals are.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]


I don't think it was that bad, but I suppose that depends on if you agree with it or not.
Just as a point Ryan, I have seen Torres be the worst player on the park and still end up scoring two goals, on more than one occasion, and that is the mark of a great striker.
I don't believe he was carrying an injury, why all the incredulous looks from him and Gerrard, after thay exchanged words if that was the case?

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1111699#msg1111699 date=1275524711]


Errrr the Emirates was started in 2004 and finished in 2006 .......recession 2008

The Keane money was re-invested in Johnson and Aqualiani
The Alosnso money wasn't, who only for Rafa being a tool again would have still been here.
He has won us two cups in his time here, both early doors and both using the core of Houlliers team, and did not exactly inherit a team that was mid table, and spent a shit load of money since. Istanbul was a magical night and beating Chelsea before that was even better and I will always be grateful, but shit, we did have some luck.
I do know that whatever he has done he has done in what he genuinely believes are the right reasons for the club.
I liked Houllier up to the day he went, and was really upset then, but could see the logic. With Rafa, he started well, but I have not been convinced for some years, something went wrong when Paco left.

Anyways I will leave it there Neil, sorry if I over-stepped the line with the thick bit, but your comrade in arms was probably influencing me a little on that one 😉

regards



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no worries vladdy 🙂
good points as ever. for the record I hope the new manager comes in and does well but I suspect his hands will be tied by not recieving all the funds from the inevitable star sales.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=40455.msg1111702#msg1111702 date=1275524860]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40455.msg1111698#msg1111698 date=1275524674]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Not to bring up the substitution but if he was carrying a major injury then why was he left on the field for over 85 minutes against Benfica. This was the following Thursday. Subs against Brum only to be kicked all over the pitch against Benfica a few days later.


[/quote]

I thought the next game was the return against Benfica, when we battered them....eventually ?

My point being Fernando didn't receive anything like the treatment he got in Portugal.
[/quote]

He still played for 85 minutes.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111710#msg1111710 date=1275525095]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=40455.msg1111704#msg1111704 date=1275524929]
Imagine the scene - 1st day of next season, Kenny steps into the dugout after dusting off his old crown paints jacket.

and the crowd goes wild.
[/quote]

And we get beat, cos Kenny hasn't signed anybody decent all summer long, and has no clue about modern football given he's been out of the game for 10 fucking years.

Wonderful.

We should stick Ian Rush up front too while we're at it. Knows where the goals are.
[/quote]

Yes, indeed I hope they resist that one

regards
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40455.msg1111712#msg1111712 date=1275525158]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1111699#msg1111699 date=1275524711]


Errrr the Emirates was started in 2004 and finished in 2006 .......recession 2008

The Keane money was re-invested in Johnson and Aqualiani
The Alosnso money wasn't, who only for Rafa being a tool again would have still been here.
He has won us two cups in his time here, both early doors and both using the core of Houlliers team, and did not exactly inherit a team that was mid table, and spent a shit load of money since. Istanbul was a magical night and beating Chelsea before that was even better and I will always be grateful, but shit, we did have some luck.
I do know that whatever he has done he has done in what he genuinely believes are the right reasons for the club.
I liked Houllier up to the day he went, and was really upset then, but could see the logic. With Rafa, he started well, but I have not been convinced for some years, something went wrong when Paco left.

Anyways I will leave it there Neil, sorry if I over-stepped the line with the thick bit, but your comrade in arms was probably influencing me a little on that one 😉

regards



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no worries vladdy 🙂
good points as ever. for the record I hope the new manager comes in and does well but I suspect his hands will be tied by not recieving all the funds from the inevitable star sales.
[/quote]

I honestly believe there is less chance of that happening now, than if he had stayed, there really is no smoke without fire on this one.

regards
 
The Birmingham game is neither here nor there, TBH.

Whatever side of the fence you are on, Maddock highlighting it is just lazy journalism.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1111711#msg1111711 date=1275525145]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]


I don't think it was that bad, but I suppose that depends on if you agree with it or not.
Just as a point Ryan, I have seen Torres be the worst player on the park and still end up scoring two goals, on more than one occasion, and that is the mark of a great striker.
I don't believe he was carrying an injury, why all the incredulous looks from him and Gerrard, after thay exchanged words if that was the case?

regards
[/quote]

Gerrard had no clue what was going on. I think Torres' reaction was more an attempt to disguise his disgusting performance. I really don't want to go over this whiole debate again, but Torres was shite that day, and we improved greatly as a team the second he went off the park. Sure he's scored goals in bad spells as you alluded to, but what, are we never allowed to take him off then?

Anyway, to depict that substitution as some sort of 'defining moment' in Rafa's reign is lazy, weak, and missing the mark bu miles. Which is my real gripe with Maddock's article. Have a look at the bigger picture David.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40455.msg1111713#msg1111713 date=1275525206]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40455.msg1111702#msg1111702 date=1275524860]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40455.msg1111698#msg1111698 date=1275524674]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Not to bring up the substitution but if he was carrying a major injury then why was he left on the field for over 85 minutes against Benfica. This was the following Thursday. Subs against Brum only to be kicked all over the pitch against Benfica a few days later.


[/quote]

I thought the next game was the return against Benfica, when we battered them....eventually ?

My point being Fernando didn't receive anything like the treatment he got in Portugal.
[/quote]

He still played for 85 minutes.
[/quote]

Yes, I'm not trying to argue.

It's all moot and shit anyway.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40455.msg1111718#msg1111718 date=1275525312]
The Birmingham game is neither here nor there, TBH.

Whatever side of the fence you are on, Maddock highlighting it is just lazy journalism.
[/quote]

Is correct.

Looking for 'defining moments' in itself is fucking lazy. If you really must do so, then last summer's transfer activity, or even the year before's, are far more fitting 'moments' to define the rise and fall of an era. Selecting one fucking game and using that as your 'here it is' moment on the back of the biggest selling paper in the Country is taking amateurishness(?) to entirely new levels.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=40455.msg1111707#msg1111707 date=1275524996]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1111701#msg1111701 date=1275524743]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40455.msg1111696#msg1111696 date=1275524473]
new from barrett

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7143026.ece
[/quote]

I agree with most of the points in that article. I hope the posters revelling in their glee at the manager's departure enjoy their moment, as it will get a lot worse before it gets better. A lot, lot worse.
[/quote]

You sound like Rebel, too. Nobody wants him to fail, but he has. Can all the Rafa fans stop turning it around to make it look like they WANT the club to fail. This whole "You'll see" attitude is quite annoying.

I 'd have loved nothing better than for Rafa to have worked here, but it hasn't so we had to rectify it and move on. Others should move on too.

Next season if we lose a game I can imagine certain posters coming out the woodwork going "I told you so. Rafa would have won us this and that".
[/quote]

If you think the problems at the club is the Manager, you have little to no clue. In summary: we are a gnat's hair away from administration,we have no willingness to invest in playing staff, we have unsustainable debt, owners who hate each other's guts, a stadium that has cost us some £50m for which all we have seen is a rather large hole in the ground. You seem to think we'll challenge with a new manager?

And the decision to sack the manager is taken by a Chelsea supporting money man with his cohort Purslow, another banker with questionable ethics. No wonder the owners treat the fans as thick peasants.

Rafa at least had his finger in the dyke (cue school boy comments) and a plan. We cant even offer a new manager money to get decent players. derpite our world record sponsorship deals which just goes to to service debt.

The one ray of hope is that with the manager gone the fans can focus on the real problem, the ownership. To suggest that I will be happy when the club melts down pretty much sums up the view of you and your ilk. Raise your head out of the sand and try to see the bigger picture.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1111695#msg1111695 date=1275524441]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111693#msg1111693 date=1275523953]
That's a fucking wank article from Maddock.

Torres was the worst player on the pitch by miles that day, and as we now know - was carrying a major injury.

2=2=5260 from Maddock, the fucking hack.
[/quote]

Had we taken just one of the half dozen or so clear chances that came *after* the substitution, having previously created very little, no one would have batted an eyelid.
[/quote]

And world class players, injured or not, are the kind of players you need on the pitch to make sure those sort of chances don't get wasted.

cf Gerrard vs West Ham, cup final
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40455.msg1111710#msg1111710 date=1275525095]
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=40455.msg1111704#msg1111704 date=1275524929]
Imagine the scene - 1st day of next season, Kenny steps into the dugout after dusting off his old crown paints jacket.

and the crowd goes wild.
[/quote]

And we get beat, cos Kenny hasn't signed anybody decent all summer long, and has no clue about modern football given he's been out of the game for 10 fucking years.

Wonderful.

We should stick Ian Rush up front too while we're at it. Knows where the goals are.
[/quote]

Ahh, theres just no sentimentality with you Ryan!
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1111725#msg1111725 date=1275525627]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=40455.msg1111707#msg1111707 date=1275524996]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=40455.msg1111701#msg1111701 date=1275524743]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=40455.msg1111696#msg1111696 date=1275524473]
new from barrett

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7143026.ece
[/quote]

I agree with most of the points in that article. I hope the posters revelling in their glee at the manager's departure enjoy their moment, as it will get a lot worse before it gets better. A lot, lot worse.
[/quote]

You sound like Rebel, too. Nobody wants him to fail, but he has. Can all the Rafa fans stop turning it around to make it look like they WANT the club to fail. This whole "You'll see" attitude is quite annoying.

I 'd have loved nothing better than for Rafa to have worked here, but it hasn't so we had to rectify it and move on. Others should move on too.

Next season if we lose a game I can imagine certain posters coming out the woodwork going "I told you so. Rafa would have won us this and that".
[/quote]

If you think the problems at the club is the Manager, you have little to no clue. In summary: we are a gnat's hair away from administration,we have no willingness to invest in playing staff, we have unsustainable debt, owners who hate each other's guts, a stadium that has cost us some £50m for which all we have seen is a rather large hole in the ground. You seem to think we'll challenge with a new manager?

And the decision to sack the manager is taken by a Chelsea supporting money man with his cohort Purslow, another banker with questionable ethics. No wonder the owners treat the fans as thick peasants.

Rafa at least had his finger in the dyke (cue school boy comments) and a plan. We cant even offer a new manager money to get decent players. derpite our world record sponsorship deals which just goes to to service debt.

The one ray of hope is that with the manager gone the fans can focus on the real problem, the ownership. To suggest that I will be happy when the club melts down pretty much sums up the view of you and your ilk. Raise your head out of the sand and try to see the bigger picture.
[/quote]

No the owners are a massive problem. Bigger than Benitez. But we can't do anything about them. But we can change a manager that is clearly not working for us.
 
Haven't read the thread, but could this be potential new owners making the decision, and already have someone lined up to replace Rafa? Even though Hicks has said it will take a long time to sell the club?
 
Vlad, thanks but I remember the moment well. We have different views on it, I think that's all we agree on really.
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=40455.msg1111733#msg1111733 date=1275525957]
Haven't read the thread, but could this be potential new owners making the decision, and already have someone lined up to replace Rafa? Even though Hicks has said it will take a long time to sell the club?
[/quote]

Yes it could be Paddy, and it has a logic behind it, but a lot of people prefer the armageddon scenario as it suits them better.

regards
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=40455.msg1111733#msg1111733 date=1275525957]
Haven't read the thread, but could this be potential new owners making the decision, and already have someone lined up to replace Rafa? Even though Hicks has said it will take a long time to sell the club?
[/quote]

Given the owners' track record in running the club, are you confident in them getting a league challenging manager in? (remember Klinnsman-gate?)
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=40455.msg1111733#msg1111733 date=1275525957]
Haven't read the thread, but could this be potential new owners making the decision, and already have someone lined up to replace Rafa? Even though Hicks has said it will take a long time to sell the club?
[/quote]

Rosco has offered this as a theory but it hasn't really been discussed as a possibility.
 
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