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two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

even if the owners didn't want to sell the stars the stars may attempt to force their own exits as I doubt many will want to stick around in a club that will be in transition for at least a couple of years.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=40455.msg1112215#msg1112215 date=1275564282]
Do snakes *spin* ?

I thought they slithered, writhed ?
[/quote]

Christian found this on his travels, they are to paint the top red with a Liver Bird on it...

regards

topsnake
 
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112231#msg1112231 date=1275565028]
Rafa exit not a consequence of player power

[/quote]

Doesn't seem like the most convincing dismissal of it being player power.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40455.msg1112226#msg1112226 date=1275564807]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40455.msg1112223#msg1112223 date=1275564718]
Sometimes I wonder if people like rebel actually make me dislike Benitez more
[/quote]

He confirms my faith in wanting Benitez out the door. [/quote]

Do you reckon he will leave too?

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40455.msg1112226#msg1112226 date=1275564807]It's a bit like Fox voting Tory.

(Sorry)
[/quote]

Oi!
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40455.msg1112238#msg1112238 date=1275565281]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1112227#msg1112227 date=1275564839]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112206#msg1112206 date=1275564002]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

even if the owners didn't want to sell the stars the stars may attempt to force their own exits as I doubt many will want to stick around in a club that will be in transition for at least a couple of years.
[/quote]

Not even if a new owner came along with the sort of wealth City have? I don't think so

regards
 

'The impression I am getting from key players is that they hate the idea of people thinking it was a player power versus Benitez – rather a frustration at a 7th placed finish and 4 years without a trophy and the growing sense that unless there are changes – at all levels – little will change.'


there you have it from Balague, I wonder how they feel about the club briefing the journalists about their power forcing out Benitez. They will be horified. My gut is right on this, they have nothing to do with it and may want to leave anyway
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40455.msg1112236#msg1112236 date=1275565178]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1112227#msg1112227 date=1275564839]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112206#msg1112206 date=1275564002]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

Yeah, they may well have a cunning plan like the current CEO of BP.

Honestly, have naive can we be.

Reaching the heights in business does not necessarily translate to infallibilty.

I think we should hope rather than expect this to work out well.
[/quote]


Errr, what are you talking about?

Nobody is saying that they are infallible, or that they are the gods of industry - simply that as money grabbing fuckers, they are pretty good at 1) identifying money to grab 2) doing the grabbing. They DONT do this by making wholly irrational fiscal decisions.

And the CEO of BP will have his pick of positions should he leave the company as he is a massively rated company leader - so not the best simile.

Apart from that, on you go......
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112243#msg1112243 date=1275565414]


'The impression I am getting from key players is that they hate the idea of people thinking it was a player power versus Benitez – rather a frustration at a 7th placed finish and 4 years without a trophy and the growing sense that unless there are changes – at all levels – little will change.'


there you have it from Balague, I wonder how they feel about the club briefing the journalists about their power forcing out Benitez. They will be horified. My gut is right on this, they have nothing to do with it and may want to leave anyway


[/quote]

Hahaha, yes, all the key players are queuing up to release it all to Balague. The beardy little fucker missed this one coming didn't he

regards
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

But if Benitez was fired cos he would have blown the lid on there plan, then surely a fired Benitez would do the same.

Think you may have over thought that one.
[/quote]

I am sure a snake like Purslow will have lawyers to make sure the severance 'deal' ensures he cannot talk about it and by then he will be in another top job concentrating on that so why would he? I am sure we will still get his side though, through trusted sources at some point


[/quote]

So it's fine to dabble in your own hypothetical scenario's about a decision to get rid of Rafa so the masterplan (asset stripping) can take place yet you won't for a moment consider player power and reluctance to work with Rafa might also be a factor in this.
[/quote]

Purslow is a spinning like snake, what we see is him briefing journalists and saying the players made him do it. I don't believe it for one second as it is out of character for someone like Carragher or Gerrard to run to the board and demand the sacking of the manager. I suspect those who can will want to leave and will not show loyalty to a lying, spinning, backstabbing board


[/quote]

There is a difference between running to the board calling for the manager to be sacked and perhaps having a quiet word in Kenny's ear. It's all specualation but it's a bit rich of you to dismiss it yet bang on about the owners masterplan to asset strip the entire club.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1112242#msg1112242 date=1275565407]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40455.msg1112238#msg1112238 date=1275565281]
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[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112206#msg1112206 date=1275564002]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

even if the owners didn't want to sell the stars the stars may attempt to force their own exits as I doubt many will want to stick around in a club that will be in transition for at least a couple of years.
[/quote]

Not even if a new owner came along with the sort of wealth City have? I don't think so

regards
[/quote]

hmm...when the asking price for liverpool is 800m?
what makes you thik we'll be sold anytime soon?
 
I bet Glock speaks to Benitez more than Balague does.

Its worth sacking the Manager for a thread like this. Pure gold.

Mind you, thanks to this thread, my overrding memories of the Benitez era will be;

1. Spinning snakes
2. Istanbul
 
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[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=40455.msg1112236#msg1112236 date=1275565178]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1112227#msg1112227 date=1275564839]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112206#msg1112206 date=1275564002]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

Yeah, they may well have a cunning plan like the current CEO of BP.

Honestly, have naive can we be.

Reaching the heights in business does not necessarily translate to infallibilty.

I think we should hope rather than expect this to work out well.
[/quote]


Errr, what are you talking about?

Nobody is saying that they are infallible, or that they are the gods of industry - simply that as money grabbing fuckers, they are pretty good at 1) identifying money to grab 2) doing the grabbing. They DONT do this by making wholly irrational fiscal decisions.

And the CEO of BP will have his pick of positions should he leave the company as he is a massively rated company leader - so not the best simile.

Apart from that, on you go......
[/quote]

Surely the point is that whatever "captains of industry" we appoint will bugger off to whatever job suits them regardles of whatever mess they leave us in.

The difference is that the "money grabbing" they generally involve themselves in will not benifit either you or I as supporters... because ultimately it's our money they're grabbing and they sure as fuck aren't going to invest oit back in the team.
 
I doubt "player power" had anything to do with it personally. IMO it's more likely that finishing 7th, coupled with the chance to get rid of an outspoken manager were the reasons for this decision.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40455.msg1112255#msg1112255 date=1275566095]
I wish I could be as optimistic as Vlad...
[/quote]

I agrree... this is a big fucking problem.
 
[quote author=TheFasterBlade link=topic=40455.msg1112258#msg1112258 date=1275566282]
Purslow is evil pythonified.
[/quote]

Ha ha !
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40455.msg1112253#msg1112253 date=1275566012]
spider, u must be having a meltdown ha!

Your boy has gone.

Fuck yehhhhh!!!
[/quote]


not meltdown just surprising calm, I am 'very' worried about the future of the club though.
 
From the Beeb...

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is on the verge of leaving the club, BBC Sport understands.

Benitez will be offered a multi-million pound severance deal to quit Anfield and could depart by the weekend.

The Spaniard, 50, signed a five-year contract in March 2009, but failed to deliver success last season as the club missed out on a Champions League place.

Liverpool are £351m in debt and were put up for sale by co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett earlier this year.

The American pair's ownership of the Reds has drawn protests from Liverpool fans, who are unhappy with the way the club is being run.

Now news of Benitez's impending departure will inevitably lead to question marks over the futures of several key players.
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BBC sports news correspondent Dan Roan said Benitez was "certain to leave" Liverpool.

"The board are in discussions with the manager about him leaving immediately," said Roan.

"A severance deal has been offered to Benitez and it is worth significantly more than the £3m that has been reported - he is entitled to £16m as a result of the contract he signed last year."

"Benitez is currently on holiday but if he decides to accept their offer he could be out by the weekend."

Benitez's agent, Manuel Garcia Quilon, said he would speaking to the former Valencia boss on Thursday, adding: "We don't know anything more than what's being said. We're not saying anything."

Benitez has been linked to Italian giants Inter Milan, who are looking for a coach following Jose Mourinho's move to Real Madrid.

Liverpool have refused to comment on the future of their manager.

"The club are concerned that details being leaked out could undermine the severance deal," added Roan. "Significantly, no replacement has so far been approached, but that process is sure to begin shortly."

Academy director Kenny Dalglish, who won three league titles as manager at Anfield between 1985 and 1991, is believed to have been lined up as an interim replacement.

Fulham manager Roy Hodgson and Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill mentioned as potential targets to take over in the long-term.
Click to expand...
 
[quote author=TheFasterBlade link=topic=40455.msg1112258#msg1112258 date=1275566282]
Purslow is evil pythonified.
[/quote]

🙂
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40455.msg1112227#msg1112227 date=1275564839]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=40455.msg1112206#msg1112206 date=1275564002]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


[/quote]

1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
[/quote]

This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



[/quote]

Yeah, they may well have a cunning plan like the current CEO of BP.

Honestly, have naive can we be.

Reaching the heights in business does not necessarily translate to infallibilty.

I think we should hope rather than expect this to work out well.
[/quote]


Errr, what are you talking about?

Nobody is saying that they are infallible, or that they are the gods of industry - simply that as money grabbing fuckers, they are pretty good at 1) identifying money to grab 2) doing the grabbing. They DONT do this by making wholly irrational fiscal decisions.

And the CEO of BP will have his pick of positions should he leave the company as he is a massively rated company leader - so not the best simile.

Apart from that, on you go......
[/quote]

Touched a nerve there methinks.

Doubts creeping in a bit eh?

What is unfolding is a farce.

Anybody who would admit to planning the removal of a Manager through the media would be certifiable.

Once again we are embarrassed, the club's Directors are a joke. More fool you for having faith in them. When since has 'money grabbing' been a way to direct a business?

And yeah, I'm sure loads of top companies are waiting to secure the services of a CEO who as we speak is asking the public for ideas...

Honestly, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious.
 
I've been convinced that Rafa leaving means Gerrard and Torres will stay, it'd would be a right kick in the teeth if him leaving meant they would go too.
 
[quote author=TheFasterBlade link=topic=40455.msg1112258#msg1112258 date=1275566282]
Purslow is evil pythonified.
[/quote]

ha ha
 
[quote author=livvy185 link=topic=40455.msg1112267#msg1112267 date=1275566617]
I'm convinced Gerrard will leave either way.
[/quote]

So am I.
 
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[quote author=TheFasterBlade link=topic=40455.msg1112258#msg1112258 date=1275566282]
Purslow is evil pythonified.
[/quote]

ha ha
[/quote]

That's probably how you'd spell it anyway.
 
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