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What will Muhammed do at my doorstep? Claim some couple of thousand year old rights to my house and forcefully kick me out of it?
Yeah that's nice for you, me too.
May I ask which democratic state are they originally from? do you know what's their stance regarding women rights? are they outspoken against Muslim Brotherhood?
You see there's a very stark difference between individuals Muslims who can't politically harm anyone, and a large body of Muslims with political power.
On the bright side, if you are from western Europe then you will soon find out the difference, and I won't need to explain it to you.
Yeah It’s interesting how this so-called 'thousand year old' right is considered weak when it comes to reclaiming a native connection to a land they were expelled from.
But it was not weak at all when it was used to argue that they were always distinct from other Europeans during their centuries of living in the continent.
Do you see the hypocrisy, mate?
If Jews are different from other Europeans, so much so that they had to endure a holocaust, then we need to understand why they are different.
Maybe it's because they come from Judea. Just like any history book would tell you, if you ever let go of the hate that's blinding you.
And also just maybe Arabs are originally from Arabia, not the Levant. But that's just a possibility, we can't be too sure, and we can't let pesky old history books confuse us with the simple truth that they conquered land that was never theirs.
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That's nice.
Good luck inshallah.
I don't believe they are that different, nor are the only ones that has had horrible things happen to them. And nor does it give anyone the right to do horrible things to other people because it happened them.
Oh yeah? they are not the only ones that had horrible things happen to them on an ethnicity basis?
Can you please enlighten me on other ethnic groups that had these kinds of things happen to them, that are classified as Europeans today?
Also just so I understand you are saying that millions of Israeli Jews of European origins are Europeans and should receive citizenship today?
Of course I condemn the death of innocent people, it's horrible, horrific and tragic.
This is all the result of having Hamas ruling over the land.
I recognize that many factors have contributed to this reality, and that some of them are beyond the control of the local population. However, at the end of the day, Hamas maintains its rule because the population has not stopped it, and many young people continue to support or volunteer for it, and this is part of the problem of the Islamic culture, but it has been discussed to death already.
I hope Israel quickly finds a way to dismantle Hamas. Once that happens, lives will no longer be lost, just like Judea and Samaria, where such groups do not hold control.
In the long term, the solution obviously involves the Arab populations returns to their ancestral homelands in the Arabian Peninsula. This should be done with great compensations obviously.
And this is similar to how, in 1948, millions of Jews from Arab and African countries returned to their ancestral homeland in Israel after centuries of diaspora. Exactly the same and not that difficult.
And regarding condemning 'political Zionism', I really try to avoid using slurs as I realize this is not helping my argument, but you are making it extremely difficult for me, so I will not ask if you are retarded, but I have to ask, are you cognitively impaired mate?
Do I condemn the Jewish nation right for a nation state? of course I don't fucking condemn it, I support it massively.
If any nation has a native right for a land, it's the Jewish nation which is one of the oldest remaining nations around.
Just so I get it straight, you are against nation states?
Today is actually the 30 year anniversary of Srebrenica massacre. Why do you only care about it when it happens to Europeans, what's that go to do with anything.
I have no idea what you're asking in your last paragraph, but I'll try answer. My general thinking around citizenship rights(I think is said this a good few pages ago) is that if there's a direct relative that could still have been alive when you were born, you should be able to have a claim to it, so two generations makes sense to me. After that, it becomes pretty weak, not least because it's pretty hard to prove back a lot more generations.
So, should a lot of Israeli Jews be able to get citizenship in European countries, yes, I think a lot of the should, but obviously it's up to those countries themselves, I don't know their actual rules, you would definitely get it in Ireland if your grandparents had it.
Ah, you're not aware of the 200 or so kids killed by the IDF in the West Bank since October 7th then.
Not familiar with the Srebrenica events.
My point was that you cannot argue that the Jewish claim of return to their ancestral homeland is weak whilst simultaneously being fully aware that they are a distinguished ethnic group and have been prosecuted and gone through genocide because of it.
The claim was weak if they were not an ethnic group, but they obviously are, and they are an ethnic group because they came from Israel, kicked out of Israel to be accurate, and remained a nation through all this time.
Regarding your claim of the children in Judea and Samaria, I understand that you are not aware of the Jihadistic organizations that are always raising their head in the region with a stated claim of killing all Jews, just like Hamas.
That is the unfortunate price of fighting someone Jihadistic, as his ideology is that everything must be done in order to survive, including risking and sacrificing children.
This just goes to show how important is the Israeli hold over the land, which directly saves the lives of Arab children in the region, as Israel is nipping the terrorism in its bud.
My point was that you cannot argue that the Jewish claim of return to their ancestral homeland is weak whilst simultaneously being fully aware that they are a distinguished ethnic group and have been prosecuted and gone through genocide because of it.
The claim was weak if they were not an ethnic group, but they obviously are, and they are an ethnic group because they came from Israel, kicked out of Israel to be accurate, and remained a nation through all this time.
Regarding your claim of the children in Judea and Samaria, I understand that you are not aware of the Jihadistic organizations that are always raising their head in the region with a stated claim of killing all Jews, just like Hamas.
That is the unfortunate price of fighting someone Jihadistic, as his ideology is that everything must be done in order to survive, including risking and sacrificing children.
This just goes to show how important is the Israeli hold over the land, which directly saves the lives of Arab children in the region, as Israel is nipping the terrorism in its bud.
Right, so until all the Arabs are kicked out or killed, killing by the IDF will unfortunately happen, yeah?
Nope, once they lay down their weapons, there will be zero deaths in Israel.
Everyone knows that.
On the contrary, everyone knows that once Jews lay down their weapons, most Jews will be violently killed by the Jihadists, whilst their Muslim brothers and sisters sit idly by and do jack shit about it. Just like they are doing now whilst Hamas does whatever it wants. Zero accountability.
Everyone knows that.
On the contrary, everyone knows that once Jews lay down their weapons, most Jews will be violently killed by the Jihadists, whilst their Muslim brothers and sisters sit idly by and do jack shit about it. Just like they are doing now whilst Hamas does whatever it wants. Zero accountability.
Well, they are not going to lay down weapons as long as Israel continues to murder, kick them out of their houses, and runs an apartheid state. So, I guess the killing will just go on.
Yes, the disengagement worked so well with Gaza so that should definitely be tried again with Judea & Samaria, who does not want their daughter raped, then decapitated.
What disengagement? Israel controlled their borders, ports and airport, was able to control water, food, energy and aid going in. If that's a disengagement, then yeah, don't be trying that elsewhere, I wouldn't suspect it would work well.
Jews have committed a Holocaust in Gaza.
IDF have shot children in the head. Bombed hospitals and starved a population.
The Harvard report from last week about 400k 'disappeared'
And maybe they are not all dead and its not accurate specific numbers but how are you to count when people have been obliterated.
Jews are running through villages burning them down be they Muslim or Christian villages.
Jews are instigating pogroms.
IDF have shot children in the head. Bombed hospitals and starved a population.
The Harvard report from last week about 400k 'disappeared'
And maybe they are not all dead and its not accurate specific numbers but how are you to count when people have been obliterated.
Jews are running through villages burning them down be they Muslim or Christian villages.
Jews are instigating pogroms.
Sure mate, sure.
They did not have a free border with Egypt, their Muslim brothers, not at all.
If you want the long answer, this is a prime example of the looney tunes logic Western people decided to adopt.
The logic that shapes simple facts and reality, clear as fucking daylight, upside down on it's head.
Gazans could have built Gaza from 2006 to be a thriving riviera, nothing was closed, Israel closed what it could only after Hamas won elections, shot rockets and vowed to destroy Israel and kill every Jew on earth.
Israel never controlled the huge border with Egypt, the Egyptions were the ones who closed it because even they understand what you looney tunes over here don't, that the Jihadistic Muslim Brotherhood ideology was and is the overwhelmingly popular ideology in Gaza, and Egypt did what it could to limit their power in the hopes that the people would stop volunteering and supporting Hamas.
This is clear, just like it's clear that in every poll prior to October 7th, Israeli citizens supporting peace and 2 states (not that I support it) were the majority always, while Arab pools showed the other way around.
Just like how Israel accepted every partition plan and Arabs rejected.
Just like how it's a-priori clear that the democratic state is the one that will always strive by definition to avoid war and the other population with the shit culture that allows terrorism to rule through zero accountability will always harm any chance for normalization.
Just like how Israel tried in Oslo, and then again and again for centuries to make peace.
Just like how Israel can take every Arab tomorrow and put them in Jordan (the original Palestinian state) but doesn't, whilst Arabs would allow Hamas to take every Jew and throw them to the sea tomorrow if they could.
The blame is clear, justice and what's right and wrong is clear.
Only thing that is left is blinding hate for just how successful the Jews are.
Yes, just like how the evil allies have committed a holocaust to the poor Nazi Germans in WW2.
Israel approve (or don't approve) everything that crosses that border. It's not a free border. Gazans have never had a chance to prosper, you can have a chicken and egg argument all day around whether it was Hamas or Israel that is the cause of it.
Getting there slowly.
Yes Israel is committing a holocaust, just that you ok with this one.
Nope.
Israel is not committing anything.
Every strike and every engagement follows an announcement of evacuation beforehand.
The only strikes that are conducted without announcing is of high-level Jihadists, and those are people that everyone knows, that is to say that if you are a parent and you and your kid are around these people it's for ideological reasons and you are well aware of what you're doing.
If you are a simple citizen that is not associated with terror, you are completely fine in Gaza.
That is in stark contrast to the situation in Israel where if you are a simple citizen that is not associated with anything, the Jihadists will still come to your music festival and slaughter you with bare hands.
This is why it is so important to fight Radical Islam until it surrenders.
The very fact that we can see that these absolute monsters will not give up even after so many months of fighting, is why this ideology is so dangerous to the free world.
If the free world will not be able to fend off Hamas\ISIS then there will no such thing as women without hijabs anywhere in the world because no one would be able to fight such a dogmatic ideology.