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Been a whole lot of errors from the IDF.
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Been a whole lot of errors from the IDF.
Reflected on the fact that those who still persist & insist that this evil isn't a genocide/holocaust are the same people who would scream genocide denier at anyone who denied the murder of Jews by Nazis.
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Also reflected on the challenge of posters being respectful & having respect for long time posters, support LFC all ya like but there's gotta be red lines.
I'd think supporting, denying, not utterly condemning the actions of genocidal people is a pretty solid start to a red line on people's values/morals.
I'd think supporting, denying, not utterly condemning the actions of genocidal people is a pretty solid start to a red line on people's values/morals.
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An enclosed space, a camp if you will, to ensure the Palesrinians are kept together, concentrated if you will, in one space.
Pssst I dont have the details to hand but I think this might have happened before.
Another Iranian asset wrote this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/opinion/israel-gaza-holocaust-genocide-palestinians.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/opinion/israel-gaza-holocaust-genocide-palestinians.html
meanwhile the new Syrian regime has begun slaughtering Syrian Druze civilians, and the western world, universities, and this prestigious forum cannot give 2 fucks about it.
Because why bother looking at the problem in the eye and realizing Islam and Arabic Islam is rotten to the core, when you can criticize on the only democracy in the region, comprised of people following a religion that is fucking identical to that of yours, and share the same values therefore.
Because why bother looking at the problem in the eye and realizing Islam and Arabic Islam is rotten to the core, when you can criticize on the only democracy in the region, comprised of people following a religion that is fucking identical to that of yours, and share the same values therefore.
Ah whataboutism, great, about time you tried deflection.
I'd say most people do give a fuck about it, do you? The difference is that no country I know of is supporting that, but a lot of them are supporting what Israel are doing, both in terms of political support and financial.
Also, you're not the same religion as me, I'm not religious at all. And even if we were, we do not share the same values.
I'd say most people do give a fuck about it, do you? The difference is that no country I know of is supporting that, but a lot of them are supporting what Israel are doing, both in terms of political support and financial.
Also, you're not the same religion as me, I'm not religious at all. And even if we were, we do not share the same values.
Yes, but are you Protestant non-religious or Catholic non-religious?
I'm at the point where I think it's good that everyone has their say, and history can hopefully judge us all.
The blatant hypocrisy and false moral standards are clearer by the day.
So yeah, I'm as guilty as anyone for offering a modicum of understanding and empathy to those who still cling to the vilest of thoughts and double standards, but fuck it, pretend to listen while true colours are on display.
@Atlas, along similar lines, is it not depressingly hilarious that for so many years you, and others, were constantly challenged with "yeah, but DO YOU CONDEMN X Terrorist act" every time you dared to discuss historical context or nuance?
Those posters who used to be very active in these discussions are very quiet lately indeed.
Calm down Asim. Nothing to see here.
Those posters who used to be very active in these discussions are very quiet lately indeed.
Calm down Asim. Nothing to see here.
I considered going back over old posts & the blatant Islamophobia, decided my sanity couldn't handle it.
I used to mention posts that painted all muslims as X to mods who kinda laughed it off.
Use those words/that language now and replace muslim with Jew and I'm an antisemite.
Moderate Jews need to come out and condemn the violence of the extremist Jews, in fact if you dont explicity say you are against that violence you're complicit. We dont want mealy mouthed responses either.
Plus they need to condemn the evil ideology of Political Judaism.
Moderate Christians need to come out and do the same.
I posted something similar to the above a few weeks back re needing a thread of extremist jews/Christians. Some posters didnt like it.
As for the quiet posters, that's bad enough. There are of course other posters who 'left' and just came back as another profile and its not just Nir. I have a few choice words to describe that but id be called all sorts again.
Suppose it'll all come out in the wash anyways.
I dont see how this ends. Today another 20 Gazans died. After a stampede.
We're watching a genocide unfold and I honeslty cant sleep thinking about it.
we've 'developed' and 'progressed' but to end up being the same evil fucks we always were.
I honeslty could write a whole load more but almost like wtf is the point.
Well played Israel really, propaganda done well.
This has been a well coordinated, well planned and funded attack on anyone who dared challenge Israel. Its affected me personally and organisation I know. 18 months of Investigation and scrutiny for pointing out facts. Months later, Yup no issues just umm here's some regulatory advice.
Tons of people/organisations who've been challenged or worse suspended, only to have those accusations overturned when simple scrutiny is applied.
Yet, everyday standard Racism against Muslims is allowed to carry on. Look at Mamdani, Khan, Sarwar, Yousuf etc.
Like Warsi says, it's passed the dinner table test.
I used to mention posts that painted all muslims as X to mods who kinda laughed it off.
Use those words/that language now and replace muslim with Jew and I'm an antisemite.
Moderate Jews need to come out and condemn the violence of the extremist Jews, in fact if you dont explicity say you are against that violence you're complicit. We dont want mealy mouthed responses either.
Plus they need to condemn the evil ideology of Political Judaism.
Moderate Christians need to come out and do the same.
I posted something similar to the above a few weeks back re needing a thread of extremist jews/Christians. Some posters didnt like it.
As for the quiet posters, that's bad enough. There are of course other posters who 'left' and just came back as another profile and its not just Nir. I have a few choice words to describe that but id be called all sorts again.
Suppose it'll all come out in the wash anyways.
I dont see how this ends. Today another 20 Gazans died. After a stampede.
We're watching a genocide unfold and I honeslty cant sleep thinking about it.
we've 'developed' and 'progressed' but to end up being the same evil fucks we always were.
I honeslty could write a whole load more but almost like wtf is the point.
Well played Israel really, propaganda done well.
This has been a well coordinated, well planned and funded attack on anyone who dared challenge Israel. Its affected me personally and organisation I know. 18 months of Investigation and scrutiny for pointing out facts. Months later, Yup no issues just umm here's some regulatory advice.
Tons of people/organisations who've been challenged or worse suspended, only to have those accusations overturned when simple scrutiny is applied.
Yet, everyday standard Racism against Muslims is allowed to carry on. Look at Mamdani, Khan, Sarwar, Yousuf etc.
Like Warsi says, it's passed the dinner table test.
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If you say
Free gaza.
Israel is committing a genocide
That makes YOU the wrongun and terrorist.
And yet he's doing the same? Very ironic.
I - won't speak for others - don't tend to post in this thread any more because as I said a long time ago, I think there is a fundamental intellectual dishonesty and whatever common ground there might be - and given I've found that with Syrians, Iranians and many from the middle east from different origins (there always some common ground) - it's not worth finding here in my opinion.
And also, yes, despite the constant sniggering, it does at times also stray into antisemitism. You are a mod and know a post got reported for that - and not by one of "us". If I'm honest, a few more could have been as well.
I don't feel the need to come back in here constantly and let you know what my thoughts are. You can claim to know them already if you wish.
If "we" are not welcome here and let's not be prude, name names, then let's just be open and honest about that.
Where I've 'done the same' it's been purposeful to highlight the double standards and hypocrisy. Well at least I've done so very purposefully in a number of posts, you'll have to point at specific posts if needed.
'Despite the sniggering' the last few posts that mock have been utterly absurd and deserve to be laughed off. Suggestions that anyone and everyone who challenges the language and actions is an Iranian asset or and evil anti semite is preposterous.
As for common ground, I've always kept it cordial in the past imo.
There have been plenty of posts but I've always engaged, called out BS when it was there, challenged but really tried to understand the thinking. Spent a lot of time on DMs speaking to LTW, asking and answering questions.
Plenty of snarky comments directed at me, by yourself and others though. That's absolutely fine of course.
I asked simple questions and mocked and ridiculed...yet somehow questions remain unanswered.
For some reason I'm unable to quote the message. @keniget
You have clearly identified 'we' as Jews in the post, my post is not directed at Jews only.
It's a red line for anyone who has supported, denied and not utterly condemned the actions of genocide and the genocide language.
This includes Jules, who identifies as a Christian. The post, clearly, for anyone who reads it with intellectual honestly, is directed at anyone who hasn't been utterly vocal against a genocide. You read a post by me, and chose to view my words as antisemitic, that's not on me.
Secondly, talking about not being welcome here. You have quoted my words in response to me saying I've not advocated for banning or removing anyone from the site.
Being honest, the words I've put there are in no way encouraging or pushing mods or anyone else to ban anyone from the site or suggesting 'we/Jews' are 'not welcome'.
The words are literally there, to jump to the conclusion of I think all Jews should be kicked off the site is pretty batshit.
I'll finish with your words 'Let's just be open and honest' I like that a lot.
I asked a question as to who it was that asked for this section of the forum to be made. It might not matter to others, it's just another click who gives a fuck. Then please just be open and honest with me.
'Be open and honest' about posting on the site under a different profile. I don't think it's honest in any way shape of form to post particular viewpoints under a different profile. I think these actions are utterly dishonest.
Not directed specifically at you, and maybe you don't know what I'm blabbering on about, but someone sure does. So maybe worth having a word about being open and honest with them.
You have clearly identified 'we' as Jews in the post, my post is not directed at Jews only.
It's a red line for anyone who has supported, denied and not utterly condemned the actions of genocide and the genocide language.
This includes Jules, who identifies as a Christian. The post, clearly, for anyone who reads it with intellectual honestly, is directed at anyone who hasn't been utterly vocal against a genocide. You read a post by me, and chose to view my words as antisemitic, that's not on me.
Secondly, talking about not being welcome here. You have quoted my words in response to me saying I've not advocated for banning or removing anyone from the site.
Being honest, the words I've put there are in no way encouraging or pushing mods or anyone else to ban anyone from the site or suggesting 'we/Jews' are 'not welcome'.
The words are literally there, to jump to the conclusion of I think all Jews should be kicked off the site is pretty batshit.
I'll finish with your words 'Let's just be open and honest' I like that a lot.
I asked a question as to who it was that asked for this section of the forum to be made. It might not matter to others, it's just another click who gives a fuck. Then please just be open and honest with me.
'Be open and honest' about posting on the site under a different profile. I don't think it's honest in any way shape of form to post particular viewpoints under a different profile. I think these actions are utterly dishonest.
Not directed specifically at you, and maybe you don't know what I'm blabbering on about, but someone sure does. So maybe worth having a word about being open and honest with them.
Failing to be "utterly vocal against a genocide" would include you all day long. You've made no mention of Oct.7th except when challenged on it and even then in the briefest and most non-committal terms.
Your clearly and offensively anti-semitic post was this one:
I've said more than once that I'm against the settlement agenda which has infiltrated what was initially a fully justified military campaign against the perpetrators of Oct.7. I've also said in past discussions on the subject that I'll be equally vocal on both sides' excesses in the region when you and those lining up with you do the same. Until then, you and those lining up with you are in no position to pass moral judgments on anybody.
Your clearly and offensively anti-semitic post was this one:
I've said more than once that I'm against the settlement agenda which has infiltrated what was initially a fully justified military campaign against the perpetrators of Oct.7. I've also said in past discussions on the subject that I'll be equally vocal on both sides' excesses in the region when you and those lining up with you do the same. Until then, you and those lining up with you are in no position to pass moral judgments on anybody.
Just the settlement agenda?
Nothing else going on that you think deserves condemnation?
Oct 7th was fucking horrible and disgusting and should never have happened, and those who committed such an atrocity should pay the price for it.
That said, "Oct 7th" is starting to sound a lot like "since the Premier League began" to me.
I think both you and keniget have massively missed the point here.... defaulting to slinging "anti-semite" is fucking disingenuous in my opinion.
The settlement agenda is what's driving the killing now. I'm against the cause so it's perfectly obvious I'm against the effect as well.
You and others persist in refusing to face up to the fact, and it is a fact, that Oct.7th changed everything. Israel could have attacked Hamas many years ago. Oct.7 made it clear that the effects of holding back from doing so, as Israel did for decades, were (a) to allow Hamas to strengthen to the point where it became a direct threat and (b) to place Israeli citizens directly in the path of that threat. I and others have made this repeatedly clear. You and others have consistently refused to face up to it.
Anti-semitism isn't the main issue, but Atlas' attempts to deny or downplay it required a response.
You and others persist in refusing to face up to the fact, and it is a fact, that Oct.7th changed everything. Israel could have attacked Hamas many years ago. Oct.7 made it clear that the effects of holding back from doing so, as Israel did for decades, were (a) to allow Hamas to strengthen to the point where it became a direct threat and (b) to place Israeli citizens directly in the path of that threat. I and others have made this repeatedly clear. You and others have consistently refused to face up to it.
Anti-semitism isn't the main issue, but Atlas' attempts to deny or downplay it required a response.
I've said anyone responsible for murdering civilians in Oct 7th should be send to trial. I've said that plenty of times.
The ICC alongside Galant and Bibi also had arrest warrant for Deif. I've said before anyone responsible should face trail.
Yet here you are telling me you'll only call out the murder of babies when someone else calls out something you found evil. How are you taking that as a moral stance, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
I'm obv not a mod, but I wonder how many people have reported some of the utter racism from posters on this thread.
Yet someones gonna get pissy cos I said Oy Vey?? Not one of 'us' either.. so who was it that was so upset with my shit gag.
The ICC alongside Galant and Bibi also had arrest warrant for Deif. I've said before anyone responsible should face trail.
Yet here you are telling me you'll only call out the murder of babies when someone else calls out something you found evil. How are you taking that as a moral stance, I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
I'm obv not a mod, but I wonder how many people have reported some of the utter racism from posters on this thread.
Yet someones gonna get pissy cos I said Oy Vey?? Not one of 'us' either.. so who was it that was so upset with my shit gag.
Statement of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem
This morning, at approximately 10:20 a.m., the compound of the Holy Family in Gaza, belonging to the Latin Patriarchate, was struck by the Israeli army. As of t
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Jews bomb a church in Gaza and kill three Christians.
I hope someone speaks out about the evil of political judaism, seems they are intent on killing as many Gazans whatever creed, age, gender.
What I'm telling you is that I'll call out the murder of babies on both sides with equal emphasis when you do the same. You have never done that, even in this post above when you dismiss the cutting of the throats of Israeli babies in their cots as "something you found evil".
Why do you need someone else to do it, for you to do it?
I don't as a rule, but this place is different. There is and always has been an inherent anti-Israel bias in this discussion and I refuse to go along with it. Those who read what's in front of them, instead of posturing and patting each other on the back for repeating the Party Line, will be in no doubt about what I think of Israel's actions.
I guess I haven't noticed the bias through the thread, I did go looking for the other day when it was mentioned. Outside of the one you pointed out above, which ones are you talking about that are going right through? I fine it hard to not be accused of antisemitism when criticizing Israel.
That's just not what I said at all.
Hamas murdered innocent civilians on oct 7th, it was evil, horrific and a war crime.
Anyone directly or indirectly involved with those crimes should stand trial.
I maintain I took issue with the purported lies of beheaded babies and babies hanging on clothes lines it didnt happen.
What did happen was parents murdered in front of their children, I couldn't begin to imagine that horror. Its horrific and those who committed those crimes should face trial.. or just burn.
I read a story of children blown to bits with a grenade, it was evil personified.
The stories of sexual abuse also, stories of women abused before being murdered.
May those who perpetrated that crime be forever condemned and punished in this life and the next.
You can look at the treatment of Palestinians by Israelis and says its horrible and that those who committed Oct 7th took it too far and deserved to be caught and held accountable.
You can also say Israel had an absolute unequivocal right to go after those same people and get back the hostages.
Once Israel started shooting white flag waving old ladies, bombing hospitals, leaving premature babies for dead, politicians calling for genocide, politicians calling for ethnic cleansing, blowing up palestinan buildings for yojmur wifes birthday, set dogs upon a guy witg down syndrome kill 20k kids then you have to unequivocally condemn it.
The bias is apparent in the way that criticism has been aimed solely at Israel throughout, since well before the war on Hamas started. Oct.7 is one example, with no mention being made of it unless those of us who disagree with the prevailing view here raised the matter. Another is the way Israel was continually criticised for firing on Gaza while not a single word was ever said about the rockets fired from there at Israel daily until the IDF went in after Oct.7.
My own view is that anti-semitism isn't the main driver behind this approach. I see it rather as a mixture of understandable and, yes, justified horror at the headlines and videos (for info I'm Catholic and have met the priest in charge of the Catholic church - the only one in Gaza - which was recently hit) and groupthink on this forum. I'm quite sure you're no anti-semite.
