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Most underrated player in the squad

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He’s not that good. Anything above head height and his brain goes to mush. He also got beaten up by the midget that is Sterling.
 
The thing about Szobo IMO is that after a flying start he stopped scoring goals and the cutting edge to his game at that time seemed to fizzle out. He's kept on getting games though, and rightly so IMO, because of his incredible engine and ability to press from the first minute to the last. If he can rediscover that final pass or shot he'll be even better.
 
Jones and Szobo are great shouts, but the truth is most unappreciative cunts on here underate all of our players! (except Ali, Robbo and Virg it seems)
 
Judge Jules said:
The thing about Szobo IMO is that after a flying start he stopped scoring goals and the cutting edge to his game at that time seemed to fizzle out. He's kept on getting games though, and rightly so IMO, because of his incredible engine and ability to press from the first minute to the last. If he can rediscover that final pass or shot he'll be even better.
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He was joint 4th best player (with Salah) in the second half of the season according to the MOTM awards. Behind Mac, Ali and Diaz.
 
What does under/overrated actually mean though? I find these terms so vague and meaningless.

Is it talent and skill? Importance? Appreciation?

I got Chiesa, Szobo and Endo/Diaz respectively.
 
keniget said:
The one player whose departure / retirement scares me the most is Alisson at this point in time.

Even Reina, good as he was at his peak, doesn't compare. For all the appreciation Alisson gets, he should get more.

I just can't go back to having a dodgy keeper.
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Agree. We've had glimpses when he's been injured and thankfully the drop off hasn't been enormous (it's been big. But could have been worse). Hopefully mamardashvilli is capable enough.
 
bazazaba said:
Underrated or Overrated?
It so happens that one's answer to either question is also often another's to the other question.
The meh-genius duality property of a player.
The ultimate Schroedinger's Player.
Introducing... Curtis Jones.
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or Elliott !
 
KopRed said:
How could Diaz be under-rated? He seems very well rated in here.

My gripe is he is never the cause of any bad results just because he runs and runs all day. I get the endeavour but the lack of quality is stark. We are Liverpool, challenging for major titles and the point is that we cannot have our left FW producing next to nothing in big games.

Of course I recognise as well by now that I am in the very minority in having this view.
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I can see us using Ekitike there if we sign Isak. He has surprising pace for a giraffe, and definitely very tricky feet, so may even get past defenders more often than Diaz. Linking with Kerkez too. Maybe this is Slot's plan (to rotate him with Gakpo).
 
Judge Jules said:
The thing about Szobo IMO is that after a flying start he stopped scoring goals and the cutting edge to his game at that time seemed to fizzle out. He's kept on getting games though, and rightly so IMO, because of his incredible engine and ability to press from the first minute to the last. If he can rediscover that final pass or shot he'll be even better.
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Fabulous goal vs Milan. Need to see more of that.
 
keniget said:
The one player whose departure / retirement scares me the most is Alisson at this point in time.

Even Reina, good as he was at his peak, doesn't compare. For all the appreciation Alisson gets, he should get more.

I just can't go back to having a dodgy keeper.
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It depends on how much of a drop off we see. If Marshmallow if anywhere near as good as Kelleher (and I think he's better - we saw a superb save in HK) then it's not a huge deficit and it's likely will not have a major effect, if any, on our results.

Using a car's 0-100 as an analogy a Pininfarina Battista may do 0-100 kph in 1.86 secs and the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra in 1.9 secs but does that really make any difference in the real world ? OK not a great analogy but interesting facts !
 
Frogfish said:
I can see us using Ekitike there if we sign Isak. He has surprising pace for a giraffe, and definitely very tricky feet, so may even get past defenders more often than Diaz. Linking with Kerkez too. Maybe this is Slot's plan (to rotate him with Gakpo).
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The lack of quality was starting to show in the 2nd half of last season. Gakpo was battling with fitness, and when Salah doesn't produce, nobody else does, at least not consistently. It is no coincidence Slot and co. has gone all out to refresh our attack. It was on it's last legs.
 
KopRed said:
The lack of quality was starting to show in the 2nd half of last season. Gakpo was battling with fitness, and when Salah doesn't produce, nobody else does, at least not consistently. It is no coincidence Slot and co. has gone all out to refresh our attack. It was on it's last legs.
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By second half of the season I take that as meaning once the league was won and everyone took their collective feet off the pedal. Because before that ...
 
Frogfish said:
By second half of the season I take that as meaning once the league was won and everyone took their collective feet off the pedal. Because before that ...
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The second half of the season where talks were of quadruple in Jan, then we got knocked out consecutively by PSG, Plymouth and Newcastle in the cups scoring a grand total of 2 goals from Chiesa and Elliot, both of whom had no future with us.

The second half where it was hands on deck for every league game while playing like crap but "getting the job done".

Yes that second half of the season.
 
KopRed said:
The second half of the season where talks were of quadruple in Jan, then we got knocked out consecutively by PSG, Plymouth and Newcastle in the cups scoring a grand total of 2 goals from Chiesa and Elliot, both of whom had no future with us.

The second half where it was hands on deck for every league game while playing like crap but "getting the job done".

Yes that second half of the season.
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Well yes and no. Losing to PSG (currently best team on the planet) on pens (though bossed in the first game - which we won) I wouldn't put down to our attack falling off a cliff. Ditto Plymouth when they didn't even play ! Or Newcastle where we were clearly knackered after having played 120 mins + pens vs PSG just 5 days earlier.
 
Frogfish said:
Well yes and no. Losing to PSG (currently best team on the planet) on pens (though bossed in the first game - which we won) I wouldn't put down to our attack falling off a cliff. Ditto Plymouth when they didn't even play ! Or Newcastle where we were clearly knackered after having played 120 mins + pens vs PSG just 5 days earlier.
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Well, you can dress it however way you want. We weren't good enough. Bringing a 1 goal lead to Anfield and still not getting the job done was painful. So was losing to Plymouth and Newcastle.

We needed some new players and new ideas and I'm glad Slot and co. concur.
 
KopRed said:
Well, you can dress it however way you want. We weren't good enough. Bringing a 1 goal lead to Anfield and still not getting the job done was painful. So was losing to Plymouth and Newcastle.

We needed some new players and new ideas and I'm glad Slot and co. concur.
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Haha you think they 'concur' because we weren't good enough ? Despite being the top scorers in the PL by 14 goals ! And 123 in total.

They 'concur' because we tragically lost Jota, because Nunez, who hardly played, is being sold and because we've just sold Diaz for a huge amount for a 28 year old. So far they have replaced one and if Isak arrives then that's two, by necessity.
 
KopRed said:
Well, you can dress it however way you want. We weren't good enough. Bringing a 1 goal lead to Anfield and still not getting the job done was painful. So was losing to Plymouth and Newcastle.

We needed some new players and new ideas and I'm glad Slot and co. concur.
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Playing full strength against Southampton killed us off. No need for it. Both Plymouth and Southampton games needed a fit Gomez to help keep the quad alive.
 
Frogfish said:
Haha you think they 'concur' because we weren't good enough ? Despite being the top scorers in the PL by 14 goals ! And 123 in total.

They 'concur' because we tragically lost Jota, because Nunez, who hardly played, is being sold and because we've just sold Diaz for a huge amount for a 28 year old. So far they have replaced one and if Isak arrives then that's two, by necessity.
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I am confused as to what is the point you are disagreeing with.

They are improving the squad. Wirtz, Kerkez and Frimpong were bought before Jota.

If you want to argue by yourself or re-write history then by all means.
 
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