Our 'implosion'...

[Rafiagra]

It's not one single moment. It's been our inability to keep out goals. We were in winning positions at City and Chelsea. See those games out and we're champions. We blagged it in the home game v City after letting a 2 goal lead slip, and blew a 3 goal lead away at Palace.

It's a fucking miracle we got second!

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

For me it did come down to a single moment - Gerrard v Chelsea, thats the moment it went and we couldn't get it back.

As bad as our defence is we still found ourselves in a position with 3 games to go needing 7 points from 9, Gerrard made a mistake and that was that, the only small hope after that was Everton, once City beat them the game was up for us.

We can all look back at little things here and there throughout the season but the fact remains we had it in our hands with 3 games left.

That game away to City we could blame Sterling for missing that sitter to make it 2-2, that result would have got us the league or what about Mignolet for gifting them a goal to go 2-1 down where we couldn't recover from, same with the 2-2 if it had stayed 1-1 then that would have been enough, for me all that sort of stuff and type of thinking is bollocks though, it doesn't just apply to us, other teams can use the same excuse, if for example Joe Hart had his head screwed on at the start of the season then City would have run away with it, Chelsea blew stupid games they should never have lost etc...

 

[gkmacca]

I cannot be the only person who bristles when I read such phrases as 'implosion' or 'capitulation' regarding our last few weeks, can I..?

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Chelsea will remain a ridiculously expensive, experienced and talented team next season, only more so. There will be another form team that will be really hard to beat. And City will get even better. And so will Arsenal. And all of them will have more to their game than a twenty minute surge of intense activity. Do you really think, given that, that this team will find the funds and the players (and the mentality) to catch them up as they work to make sure a team like us never pushes them so hard again? I don't. That was it. That was lost.

 

[Whaddapie]

Yes Macca, I do. Neither City nor Chelsea can get THAT much better, already being amoung the most expensive and experienced squads on the planet, and the Arse will continue to be the Arse. I think we can improve more than they, relatively speaking, and I like our chances to be challenging again next season and beyond. Beyond that, I'm not going to bite... You're in foul form today.

Here's my question - How are we the one's that 'imploded', when fucking Chelsea beat both us AND City home and away, but came third due to losing to the likes of Sunderland, Palace and Villa in their run in..? Looking back, they should have pissed it.

 

[tony]

For me it did come down to a single moment - Gerrard v Chelsea, thats the moment it went and we couldn't get it back.

As bad as our defence is we still found ourselves in a position with 3 games to go needing 7 points from 9, Gerrard made a mistake and that was that, the only small hope after that was Everton, once City beat them the game was up for us.

We can all look back at little things here and there throughout the season but the fact remains we had it in our hands with 3 games left.

That game away to City we could blame Sterling for missing that sitter to make it 2-2, that result would have got us the league or what about Mignolet for gifting them a goal to go 2-1 down where we couldn't recover from, same with the 2-2 if it had stayed 1-1 then that would have been enough, for me all that sort of stuff and type of thinking is bollocks though, it doesn't just apply to us, other teams can use the same excuse, if for example Joe Hart had his head screwed on at the start of the season then City would have run away with it, Chelsea blew stupid games they should never have lost etc...

I know where you are coming from SL and I suppose you are right , however, the point is in my head this is how I am coming to terms with losing the league. No one can deny that was a goal so as far as I'm concerned we were robbed.
I'm kind of a bit with GKM to a certain extent, it feels like we threw it away, and it is going to be much harder for us in the future. On a plus point Suarez has said he is defo staying - the only good news in the last week.

 

[gkmacca]

Yes Macca, I do. Neither City nor Chelsea can get THAT much better,

Yes they can, and they will. I take no pleasure from it - quite the opposite - but I'm not going to embrace some weird Noel Edmonds style wishful thinking just to repel the gloom. I fear people will look back at this season and think that was the one that could have and should have been but never was. So much better than the chance with Evans or Rafa, but thrown away by the most alarming lack of cojones I've ever seen in a Liverpool side. A stupid loss.

 

[Whaddapie]

So, we just give up, is it..?

 

[gkmacca]

No, I guess we shout 'we go again' and then lose our nerve. That seems to be the drill. With the added ingredients next season of 'we were very tired after that mid week game, they're still babies, it's a learning curve, we're still ahead of schedule...'

 

[Richey]

Here's my question - How are we the one's that 'imploded', when fucking Chelsea beat both us AND City home and away, but came third due to losing to the likes of Sunderland, Palace and Villa in their run in..? Looking back, they should have pissed it.

It's a fair point, but the fact is that however unlikely it was, however much of a miracle it was, and however we managed it, we were in the position where the league title was in our own hands, and we blew it. That's the sad fact.

There were lots of positives this season obviously, and best case scenario is that we learn from how we fell apart at the end, but we shall see if and when the chance comes again.

 

[Whaddapie]

Why do you hate this team, Macca? Why do you watch when they bring you nothing but aggravation, even in our best season for 24 years?

 

[Mors]

We finished 2nd to a team that has spent 490 million pounds on players over the last 5 years. Finishing 2nd is the equivalent of us winning the league up against that sort of competition, and we only finished 2pts away! We were fucking awesome.
Oh, and we finished above a team that has spent 405 million pounds on players over that same period. How are we meant to compete with that?! We're fucking brilliant.
Implosion my arse, explosion more like.

 

[gkmacca]

Why do you hate this team, Macca? Why do you watch when they bring you nothing but aggravation, even in our best season for 24 years?

You know that's wrong and it's a lame, lame response. If you want a cuddle go and get one. Don't try the super fan crap. I've seen great teams. I'm damned well not going to praise a team for throwing away a championship in such a boneheaded fashion.

 

[Whaddapie]

And that's as lame as you think mine...

You know that I've liked and respected you for years now, and I was asking you a genuine question - I don't understand you. You're posting over the past week or two with a venom that baffles me...

 

[gkmacca]

Because I have never been so disgusted by a team's attitude as in the last couple of weeks. To be so easily manipulated, to collapse so completely at times, to show such panic, to look so pathetically lacking in new ideas - it's been a text book case of how to wreck months and months of good work. You don't improve that by bringing in the odd player. That's a terrible rooted problem. I never ever expected them to show such cowardice.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

I know where you are coming from SL and I suppose you are right , however, the point is in my head this is how I am coming to terms with losing the league. No one can deny that was a goal so as far as I'm concerned we were robbed.
I'm kind of a bit with GKM to a certain extent, it feels like we threw it away, and it is going to be much harder for us in the future. On a plus point Suarez has said he is defo staying - the only good news in the last week.

Were all different and see things differently, thats just my opinion on it, it is really hard to take what happened but we just have to take it on the chin and hope we get another shot at it asap, what else can you do?, i knew it was gone after the Chelsea game and felt a lot worse after that then at any time since, there was a tiny slither of hope about Everton but after that result it was game over, im suprised to see so many people everywhere are going on about the Palace game, it made no difference and was never going to, City were never going to mess up against those 2 teams at home.

I dont think we can really complain about luck either, yeah those 2 games away to City and Chelsea were a disgrace from the officals, Chelsea should of had 10 men for the whole game, Etoo admitted it himself, but we got our fair share of luck and favourable decisions after those games on that winning streak and again other teams can complain about their luck/decisions, not just us.

I dunno, its shite whatever way we look at it, whatever we say or think wont change the fact that we didn't get our hands on it when it was there for the taking.

 

[mom]

We dropped 5 out of our last possible 48 points. 'Implosion' indeed.

 

[Jack D Rips]

We dropped 5 out of our last possible 48 points. 'Implosion' indeed.

As well as liking your post I just want to say that I like it.

 

[kingjulian]

Cowardice and lack of cojones....if anything it has been the opposite.

We should have been pragmatic and played for a draw against Chelsea, but we went for it. We should have shut up shop against Palace after 3-1 instead of chasing more goals in a futile attempt to bridge the goal difference. Both instance of naive aggression in tactics cost us heavily. I actually think if we took three points against Palace there was a chance of City wilting under pressure, but we gave them too much wiggle room by drawing against Palace.

Anyway only an idiot can accuses the team with cowardice and lack of cojones....

 

[mark1975]

Bang on. We were naive, but I can't believe anyone would seriously state this side has a root problem with confidence. Root defensive flaws yeah and a lack of leadership at the back - but we knew that already. Cowardice? How many points have we dropped from the last 50? Go and look at that shower down at the Emirates for the definition of the word cowardice. Or Shite Heart Lane.

We've battered many big sides this season and have been a pillar of consistency. We ran out of steam and lacked the experience of a regular contender (in the end), but errrr... we finished 7th last year. The bile thrown their way and accusations of lacking guts and throwing the towel in, are frankly, pathetic.

People seriously need to remember the shit state we were in a couple of years ago. Go and watch a rerun of some of those performances, it'll serve as a reminder of how far we've come, and what a side lacking cajones really looks like. Many of us were willing to give Kenny more time then to get it right (myself), and this was an experienced guy who knew the club - but we've taken great strides in the two seasons since. Even he would acknowledge that, in fact, he already has.

Did people seriously think we'd become contenders without having a few outstanding issues to address? We're a work in progress and ultimately ahead of schedule.

Perhaps Rodgers should apologise for not having a £100m bench to back him up. FFS. If showing perspective means I'm being a "superfan", then so be it, better that than failing to acknowledge the hardwork that's gone on to get us this far and so far ahead of schedule. I don't know what's pissed me off more, reading some of the bitter bollocks posted lately, or remembering the fucking idiots who were pouring adoration all over Arsenal and Spurs last Summer. Patience and a tiny bit of trust and indulgence goes a long fucking way.

I'm proud of the team, ultimately disappointed we didn't have the legs for the final furlong, but it's great to be back in with the big boys and to have the respect and acknowledgement we deserve, for putting up one of the more surprising and attractive title challenges in decades.

Cowardice? Refusing to be encouraged by our progress and writing it off as an isolated opportunity, while having us marked down as perma-chokers, on the back of ONE title challenge in TWO seasons of management, having come from the doldrums of midtable with a bloated, overpaid, overrated squad..... well let's be honest, it's pitiful really.

And it's a bit ironic, Modo going round and liking all these posts laying into us, after his own little agenda driven shite earlier in the week. Modo who's rammed Rafa down our throats for years and fucking years, Rafa who managed one half hearted title challenge in 6 years.

We've done fucking brilliantly.

 

[Fabio]

I honestly don't get the talk of cowardice when we had such a run.

We didn't even have a right to be in with a shout of the title in February. yet there we were, after a fucking hell run of points.

 

[Modo]

And Mark who wanted Kenny to be given another year.
Some of you just can't see what's right in front of you.
People say that I'm negative, I'm more of a realist.
That's why I enjoy skully's posts.

 

[mark1975]

I honestly don't get the talk of cowardice when we had such a run.

We didn't even have a right to be in with a shout of the title in February. yet there we were, after a fucking hell run of points.

Quite. Call us naive, we need to work on the tactical side of our game, especially heading into Europe, but don't call us cowards FFS. We've gone out in every game, going for the kill and more often than not succeeding. While that cunt at Chelsea has put 10 men behind the ball with his £300m squad made to play like fucking Wimbledon. And we're the cowards?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

And Mark who wanted Kenny to be given another year.
Some of you just can't see what's right in front of you.
People say that I'm negative, I'm more of a realist.
That's why I enjoy skully's posts.

A 'realist' who wanted Rafa back?!

 

[mark1975]

And Mark who wanted Kenny to be given another year.
Some of you just can't see what's right in front of you.
People say that I'm negative, I'm more of a realist.
That's why I enjoy skully's posts.

Realist? You've gone on and on about Rafa's legacy for years, we go from 7th to nearly winning the title and all you can do is pick the bones out of it. Get fucked.

And as for Kenny, I just said in my post that I was happy to give him time. The point was that Macca was too, yet we're now getting labelled cowards for this vast improvement. You're both talking through agenda shaped hoops.

 

[mark1975]

"I'm more of a realist". Post of the year, right there.

 

[Modo]

A 'realist' who wanted Rafa back?!

What? You preferred Hodgson?
Or did you prefer Dalglish?
The sure bet was Rafa and he still is.

 

[Best Believe It]

Let's not give each other too much shit in the aftermath of the season. As much as it's been a massive improvement under Brendan Rodgers (and one that I personally believe we should be happy with, given how I think we'll continue improving) I can understand that given we thought we were on for the league title the end of the season has come as a bit of a kick in the balls. People react to that in different ways, and that's ok. Let's not take it out on each other if possible.

 

[mark1975]

What? You preferred Hodgson?
Or did you prefer Dalglish?
The sure bet was Rafa and he still is.

Over Rodgers? Rafa had six years to win the title and a shed load of cash, Rodgers has had two years at it and come closer in his second season than Rafa ever did.

"I'm a realist" - I tell you what, for all the disappointment yesterday, that comment has made me laugh my arse off. Some of the shite you posted earlier in the week was laughable too.

 

[Modo]

Over Rodgers? Rafa had six years to win the title and a shed load of cash, Rodgers has had two years at it and come closer in his second season than Rafa ever did.

"I'm a realist" - I tell you what, for all the disappointment yesterday, that comment has made me laugh my arse off. Some of the shite you posted earlier in the week was laughable too.

Seriously the fact that you wanted Kenny to stick around for another is pretty laughable as well. But that's the mentality you have, but when you're called on it you don't own up to it. For instance this whole Sakho debacle. How did agger do yesterday btw?

 

[mark1975]

Seriously the fact that you wanted Kenny to stick around for another is pretty laughable as well. But that's the mentality you have, but when you're called on it you don't own up to it. For instance this whole Sakho debacle. How did agger do yesterday btw?

Do you even read my posts? I have held my hands up and said I wouldn't have been against Kenny getting another season, I'm not rewriting history, I wasn't against him going either. Perhaps my heart wanted him to do well, but that's just me, I wasn't convinced he could do it but I wanted him to. That's the difference, I wasn't banging on about how brilliant he was going to be, I was just trying to be patient, like I am with Rodgers now. I'm not stuck on an agenda, willing one manager to fail for a bit of oneupmanship.

And for the record, go and read my Sakho posts, I'm far from a fan, nor do I believe it's a given he should be in there before ANYONE, Agger included. I've never not been an Agger fan, I just think he's massively overrated at times by you and Kris. Coz you know, you have a tendency to ram your favourites down peoples throats whenever they have a good game.

Shall we analyise your assertion that Lucas would be "back in the side every week when he returns from injury", or his contribution to shoring up the midfield now that he's playing games? Shall we look at the two dangerous freekicks he gave away within 10 minutes of being on the pitch yesterday?

Quit while you're miles behind.