I don't count 8-10 years ago as "recently.." - and that's Masher, Torres, Arsebeloa, and ZAAAAAAAAABIIII
Anectdotally, it feels like Klopp's stars at BD didn't perform as well after leaving, as when they were with him. There might be one or two that did, but he seems to get the best out of people
Klopp didnt sell neither of the three you mentionedI think only Lewandowski, Hummels and Gundogan to an extent did well after leaving - and all 3 benefited from working with another great coach in Guardiola. A lot more players failed to recapture their level after Klopp: Gotze, Kagawa, Şahin, Perisic, Coutinho etc
Yeah Mascherano and Alonso. I wouldn't include Torres. He won stuff, yes, but he sold the adoration he had here and his personal performance. Depends what you'd rather have. Trophies and be a bit-part, average player, or be adored and one of the best players in the world.
It's strange to note that Torres actually played more games for Chelsea than he ever did Liverpool.
People keep discussing Can being the better athlete compared to the likes of Khedira.
This has nothing to do with atheltic ability - the reason he is not selected is due to his lack of tactical awareness.
In Italy, that trait is perhaps the most important - and especially for a manager like Sarri.
Sarri has always favoured tactically smart players over atheltic players.
Higuain the fat bastard is one great example - he understood the tactics at Napoli and banged in goals galore as a result. It's why he's exceeds in Italy but struggled in England where you struggle if your not up to it physically.
Jorginho & Allan also both ran the midfield.
Yeah, I don’t think Can is thick, but he always had a trait of doing mostly what he wants, regardless of what the manager tells him to do. That trait definitely doesn’t go well with someone like Sarri.
I know we all enjoyed watching that team with the likes of Alonso, Masha, and Torres - but lets not forget something ... they won fuck all playing together. I get fed up these days when we keep going on about that great midfield and great forward line with Torres, and SG banging them in - but ultimately we won nothing.
I used to like Can while he was here, even though he sometimes promised more than he delivered. But you're right, I've totally forgotten about him. I think that's just testament to how good Fabinho has been in that DM role.Can is weird. I mean I thought he was capable of being one of the best central midfielders in the world, but then again I've more or less forgotten everything he did here. If I hadn't seen this topic I'd have forgotten he existed. Albert Riera left a more lasting impression.
Can wasn't disciplined enough to play in that role. Performances were very up and down.I used to like Can while he was here, even though he sometimes promised more than he delivered. But you're right, I've totally forgotten about him. I think that's just testament to how good Fabinho has been in that DM role.
That sounds like a thread....Well, yeah, but on the other hand are you saying that Players like Mascherano, Torres and Alonso wouldn't get into THIS Liverpool team?
Gerrard could play in any system and was brilliant no matter what he was asked to do, whether it was in defence, on the wing, up front or in midfield. He'd have been boss in a klopp side
As per that other thread I forgot he even scored goal of the season!Can is weird. I mean I thought he was capable of being one of the best central midfielders in the world, but then again I've more or less forgotten everything he did here. If I hadn't seen this topic I'd have forgotten he existed. Albert Riera left a more lasting impression.
Haha...I aim to please or annoy.It's not half nine yet and you're making me head to the shop for a bag of cans
Yes but City use a different system. They don't play with a false 9. Also wouldn't Firmino and Gerrard get in each others way if Gerrard plays that role behind the striker like he did with Torres?We would have won the league last season if we had gerrard in his prime. I'm guessing klopp would put him in the same role he uses for keita or ox as a attacking midfielder and he would have scored double figures definitely. Klopp would be begging to have a player like gerrard now. City have one and his name is De Bruyne.
I always get to thinking about his pillow cases. How would you wash them, or do you think he buys new ones every week?
Rather have Fabs than Masher. Torres wouldn't get in our front 3 at the moment. Xabi might get a game or two in midfield.
102 league games for Liverpool
110 for Chelsea
142 all comps for Liverpool
172 for Chelsea
Significantly less goals at Chelsea, of course.
Tish - who'd you drop for Torres ? And I think Fabs is one of the best I've ever seen.Hahahaa you definitely shouldn't purchase a gun and all three would definitely be in our current team.
Tish - who'd you drop for Torres ? And I think Fabs is one of the best I've ever seen.
This concept of people having different opinions now - problematic ?