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A game of two halfs that according to Mr Rodgers went according to a pre-determined plan. I cant believe the idea was to give them total control after the first 30 minutes but what do I know we won.

Mignolet - 6 Would have been 5 but for one great save.
Johnson - 3 fucking awful
Agger - 4 WAKE UP ffs. Kolo bailed him out on a regular.
Kolo - 8 I thought he was magnificent.
Enrique - 5 Passable but got skinned by Wiemann all night.

Lucas - 3 Laughable
Gerrard - 6 Had to work like fuck to clear up behind Lucas.
Henderson - 5 Bang average

Couthinho - 5
Sturridge - 8 Worked heroically and what a goal.
Aspas - 4 terrible.
 
Lost for word reg Coutinho?
Nah, i just dont want people saying im revving up an agenda. I started a thread to show my feelings on that one. But to be honest if 5 is average im being generous. Id be amazed if his pass success was over 50% he gave the ball away all day.
I was astonished by Jamie Redknapp saying 'Coutinho and Sturridge were brilliant' at half time, it was lazy crap. I love the player, LOVE him, but he was dire today and average last week.
 
Nah, i just dont want people saying im revving up an agenda. I started a thread to show my feelings on that one. But to be honest if 5 is average im being generous. Id be amazed if his pass success was over 50% he gave the ball away all day.
I was astonished by Jamie Redknapp saying 'Coutinho and Sturridge were brilliant' at half time, it was lazy crap. I love the player, LOVE him, but he was dire today and average last week.


Agreed.
 
Would give Mignolet a 7 but otherwise I would agree with all Oncy's ratings. Johnson, Lucas and Agger were dire.
 
Would give Mignolet a 7 but otherwise I would agree with all Oncy's ratings. Johnson, Lucas and Agger were dire.
If his kicking had been better than woeful I would agree. I cant give him a 7 for one save when the rest of the game he was flappy as fuck.
 
I didn't think Coutinho was very good at all. He needs to get back to the basics he was getting right last season.
 
Coutinho had a bad day, for sure. At least he was trying stuff, though. Lucas was a fucking liability, particularly in the second half. It was like watching him when he first arrived. He got caught in possession time and again.

We controlled the game well for 40 minutes, without really threatening. Then couldn't string three passes together.

Delighted with the three points.
 
Man, that's harsh.

It's not harsh - it's utter bollocks!!

Couldn't get on the net during the game so came on to see the match thread after watching the win. Amazed to find the panic merchants out in force right through the game.

Were we perfect? Not by a long shot.

What we did was absolutely dominate them for the first 30 to 35 minutes. They came into it a little at the end of the first half.

Gerrard and Lucas were running the midfield, the movement was absolutely awesome - every player was running, moving to space, looking for channels and showing for the ball. Gerrard and Lucas were hitting players at will and we looked irresistable. What we didn't seem to have was the final piece where all the movement that had Villa stretched opened them up completely. Then Sturridge made the overwhelming dominance count.

Second half Villa found their second wind, got the crowd behind them, kicked seven shades out of Coutinho and showed the form that really made the Chavs work at Stamford Bridge. We didn't make it easy on ourselves with some silly passes but all this bollocks about needing a DM who'd put his foot on the ball and control it just made me laugh. When you've got a team closing you down as quick as Villa were in the 2nd half Souness, Mascher and Stevie rolled into one wouldn't be able to just put his foot on the ball. Put your foot on the ball with 4 players like Benteke and Delph closing you down and you look a dick.

We couldn't find the movement up front which was a worry but the midfield and defense worked their absolute socks off. Of course they were bloody knackered in the 2nd half; they'd run, chased, tackled and run some more practically non-stop. We allowed them one half chance with a poor Agger header and one real chance where Ming proved he's an awsome shot stopper.

We all knew that Villa were young, hungry, well managed and had some dangerous players. They proved that against probably the best team in the league a few days ago.

Coutinho 6 Tried hard, got kicked to hell and back but needs to simplify things sometimes
Lucas 7 Worked like a trojan, never shied from a collision, picked his passes beautifully in the first half, missed a couple in the 2nd and gave away 2 silly frees but was otherwise non-stop
Stevie 7 Thought he was going to break free a couple of times, probed in the first half, some excellent runs, good passing and worked very hard in the last part of the 2nd half. Seemed to struggle in the early part of the 2nd when we lost the edge.
Kolo 8 Thought he would be a great buy as soon as it happened. Listened a little too closely when others said he was too old but have been relieved to find that was just utter tosh. He's got a great leap, built from granite and quick enough to cover most strikers.
Agger 6.5 Would have been 7 except for a couple of badly thought out headers. Came forward with purpose, looked mostly composed and had an absolute monster to deal with.
Enrique 7 / Johnson 6.5 Was going to be an 8 for Jose but he really found it hard to keep going at 100% for the whole match. Both Fullbacks had some speed merchants coming at them yet both also got forward continually and worked themselves into the ground to get back.
Sturridge 8 Great goal, held the ball well, passed well. Made the wrong choice a few times in the 2nd half when we were under the cosh. Proving himself to be a centre forward though which is great.
Henderson 6 Worked himself into the ground which is his thing but his execution wasn't up to the level he needs it to be.
Ming 7.5 The litmus test for our defense and midfield. Really didn't have that much to do. Did what he needed and one outstanding stop kept a second clean sheet in our first 2 matches.

I thought the rest were average or quiet but none of them stopped working at any point.


I don't know what the fitness regime is that Rodgers has them on but it's obviously going to be a key factor in our season. It needs to be absolutely spot on cause you can't play the way we're playing for 90 minutes unless you're in close to ideal shape.
 
Wizardry has nailed it.

We're nowhere near being perfect, but there was plenty to be encouraged about.

The issues are the same as last year - we lack enough quality in the attacking third, Henderson shouldn't be anywhere near the attacking third, our fullbacks are variable, Agger is nowhere near as good as his reputation suggests and Lucas is criminally underrated at times.

I don't know what people expect of Gerrard & Lucas - they have to sit deep and hold their position - if they don't we'll be murdered on the counter time and time again because our fullbacks are pushing on to give width.
 
I don't know Stevie... Tell us what we should expect of Lucas?

If you think he had a game worth rating him at 7....then I need to start watching some other sport...
 
Bear in mind we were playing away from home when judging Coutinho.

For younger players it's often a key factor for them until they grow into themselves & the side.

I agree, he didn't exactly impress me yesterday & couldn't get the basics right at all, but I'm prepared to cut him some slack, he's earned it already.
 
Same here. It's fucking baffling all this shite.

Yeah so 7 is probably generous - 6 or 5 is more realistic - but not 3.

Although to be fair, I fell asleep about half way through the second half and I can't recall much after half time anyway.

Red wine, beer and various fortified wines were being tasted.
 
Wizardry says it was villa putting pressure on us that made us give the ball away all 2nd half. Ok well how do you combat that? By passing the ball to a teammate! And keeping the ball. They will tire soon enough. We were awful in the 2nd half, didn't put a single pass right.

For half an hour in 1st half we were superb but didnt really create that much. how many chances did we have?

I normally agree with Wizadry but the fact he's given Lucas a 7 and Aspas a 7.5 makes me think he's been on the ald crackpipe again.

If people are getting those sort of ratings for yesterday, then it doesn't leave much room for improvement apparently.
 
Wizardry says it was villa putting pressure on us that made us give the ball away all 2nd half. Ok well how do you combat that? By passing the ball to a teammate! And keeping the ball. They will tire soon enough. We were awful in the 2nd half, didn't put a single pass right.

For half an hour in 1st half we were superb but didnt really create that much. how many chances did we have?

I normally agree with Wizadry but the fact he's given Lucas a 7 and Aspas a 7.5 makes me think he's been on the ald crackpipe again.

If people are getting those sort of ratings for yesterday, then it doesn't leave much room for improvement apparently.

Hold up Piedro.

I had to go and check to make sure I hadn't made a stupid mistake but I knew there was no way I'd given Aspas a 7.5.

I gave our keeper a 7.5 and, although I thought he had little to do and didn't appear too comfortable on corners, I'd still do so on the strength of his shot stopping.

My point on the pressing was that I just think our fitness will struggle to meet our game plan - at least until there's a number of matches under our belt for match toughness.

I'm not suggesting you didn't watch closely but I was amazed at how how much running and movement there was in the first half. We had players going everywhere and Villa were chasing shadows. The players just don't have the fitness to keep that up for 90 minutes and have the composure needed on the ball.

Our front 4 started to slow down noticably after 30 minutes and by the end of the first half they were really flagging. That showed in the movement and the options for getting the ball out of our back third.

It's all very well being really good at passing but if you've got no team mates with the energy to present for the ball then you're going to find yourself being hunted down by the opposition. That's exactly what happened and, when we did get the passing going, there were mistakes on the first touch.

Villa couldn't live with us in the first 30 to 35 minutes; the problem was that we couldn't live at that pace for 90 minutes. It was only when we really slowed down that they came back into the game. I was pleased to see we still had the heart to close them down at that point.
 
Sorry Wiz, my mistake, I read Aspas - 7

I think it's me who had been on the crackpipe!

I just think we played very well for half an hour but created nothing really which is a worry. And the last half an hour was a major worry. Against better sides we will be punished.

Great win, don't get me wrong. I'm just not gonna go over the top about it as I feel there is room for a lot of improvement.
 
Even though it is worrisome that we gave the ball back to the opposition so readily I was actually quite pleased at how we defended against the pressure in the second half.
Barring individual defensive errors, which unfortunately there are still a few, I reckon we will be tough enough to score against this season.
I would prefer if we didn't put our defense under such prolonged and constant pressure though
 
We were completely out of gas in the last 20 minutes or so. Is this because Rodgers is putting the squad through some intensive training regime that will keep them fresh throughout the season but make their legs heavy for the first few games (a la Benitez). Or, more worryingly, our current first-teamers aren't fit enough to maintain the pace and intensity required of Rodgers' possession game?

Or all credit to Villa's high energy pressing in the second half?
 
If the players are going to break down with exhaustion after 45mins then perhaps we should consider an alternative game plan.
 
If the players are going to break down with exhaustion after 45mins then perhaps we should consider an alternative game plan.


Or use our subs....
But I think the root of the problem is that we don't carry enough of a threat. We desperately need to strengthen the starting line up. Aspas has done OK but we need better.
 
We were completely out of gas in the last 20 minutes or so. Is this because Rodgers is putting the squad through some intensive training regime that will keep them fresh throughout the season but make their legs heavy for the first few games (a la Benitez). Or, more worryingly, our current first-teamers aren't fit enough to maintain the pace and intensity required of Rodgers' possession game?

Or all credit to Villa's high energy pressing in the second half?

It'll be a combination of your second and third points.

There's no way the players could be fit enough in the first couple of games of the season to play at that level of intensity for 90 minutes. They'll be much stronger and fitter in a months time and, I reckon, we'll find it hard to recognize the team at that point.

A bit of credit has to go to Villa, too. Anyone who watched them against Arsenal and Chelsea will have known we were in for a tough game.

We do also need some more attacking menace. Aspas and Henderson have shown they've got promise and can add value to the team in some areas but we need a couple of players who are a step up from them to really make this style of football count.

Two games, two wins. We haven't obliterated anyone yet but we were certainly worthy of our points.

I'd hate to see what some of the ratings would have been if we'd lost. Oncy would be positively catatonic.
 
Last season we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag, we showed grit and determination to grind out the win, I couldn't really give a fuck about the semantics, we went to too many teams last season when clearly not at our best and without anything resembling a plan B. To do that two games in and go backs to the wall was impressive. It wasn't pretty and we wouldn't get away with it every week, but I don't for one minute think we're trying to aspire to.
 
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