Revisiting our signings.

[Oncy]

Lots of critiscism of our spending when we were in a bit of a slump.
What do we think now we are the form team in the country?

Lallana - good
Can - good
Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Borini - ok
Sakho - good
Balotelli - poor
Lambert - poor
Moreno - good
Manquillo - ok
Markovic - good
Lovren - poor at present
Allen - ok
Mignolet - poor but looking better
Looking a but better isnt it?

If you look down the spine of the team
Sakho
Can
Coutinho
Sturridge

All look quality signings.
Can, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sakho, Markovic, Moreno, Manquillo etc all still very young too.

Only Balotelli looks like a rotten signing really. I dont know if Allen, Borini are going to ever be good enough but all round its actually looking like we have done a good job over the past couple of years especially given our squad a few years ago.

 

[Mystic]

For me;

Lallana - good
Can - great
Sturridge - superb
Coutinho - great
Borini - poor
Sakho - good
Balotelli - beyond poor
Lambert - okay
Moreno - good
Manquillo - good
Markovic - good
Lovren - poor
Allen - okay
Mignolet - okay


I agree with what you say though, our transfer dealings could have been better, but as a whole I believe they've been good, we've got some fantastic players here for the long run and have built an exciting young squad. I'd love to see Rodgers buy one big established player in the summer, because that's the kind of signing we need to take us a step up. We'll tick that box when we sign Reus in the summer.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Lallana - good
Can - great - He is Boss.. enough said...
Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Borini - shite..
Sakho - great - no coincidence our defence has become much better since he has been in the team.. He really is a beast of a player..
Balotelli - shite - should be binned asap!!!
Lambert - poor - still don't understand why we signed this fella.. 1 or 2 great moments, bust just does not fit into the style we play.
Moreno - good
Manquillo - good - I like this fella more than Moreno.. reminds me of Arbeloa..
Markovic - good - but not great.. hopefully that will change..
Lovren - poor at present... I think the step up to a Bigger club has been a step too far for this lad..
Allen - shite.. and thats being genorous.. never really done anything of note since the day we signed him
Mignolet - poor at first, but im slowly becoming a convert.. he really is starting to command his area now, like all good goalkeepers should
Aspas - Shite, ripping it up in Spain though...
Origi - Unknown oozes potential though..
Alberto - Poor, not convinced he will ever cut it in the Premier League

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Can - great

Sakho - good
Markovic - good

Lallana - average
Moreno - average
Manquillo - average
Lovren - average
Allen - average
Mignolet - average

Borini - poor
Balotelli - poor
Lambert - poor

*All subject to change in a few games time after we lose a few games.

Everything does look a lot brighter now, all of a sudden, but it's still early days for a lot of the signings, and we have a tough few weeks coming up. It'll be interesting to see how opinions change again in March/April

 

[6TimesaRed]

we have wasted over 80 million on Shite or Poor signings..

Allen
Ballotelli
Lambert
Borini
Lovren
Aspas
Alberto

That being said the promotion of youth players and the resurgance of Coutinho, Can, Sterling and Sturridge will do well to balance books.. given what we would lose by offloading our shite..

 

[ibromurph]

Lallana - average; looks poor value for money
Can - good; looks very promising
Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Borini - shite; poor value for money
Sakho - good; looks very promising
Balotelli - shite; exceptionally poor value for money
Lambert - meh
Moreno - average; looks like disappointing
Manquillo - average but improving; looks decent value though
Markovic - average but improving; looks quite promising
Lovren - poor; i'll give him time and another chance. I still believe it can work out. right now, looks exceptionally poor value for money though.
Allen - average but i still think he can improve; looks poor value for money now
Mignolet - average but improving; looks poor value for money

 

[leftpeg]

Lallana - very good and will just get better
Can - very, very good and will become world class
Sturridge - great
Coutinho - very good
Borini - shit
Sakho - good
Balotelli - shit
Lambert - poor
Moreno - good
Manquillo - ok
Markovic - good
Lovren - poor at present...will get better
Allen - poor
Mignolet - good / shit! Great credit to him for the way he's come back though.

The one I got wrong was Markovic...I really didn't see much there at all but I'm pleased it looks like I'll be proved wrong. I've said my piece on Can...the kid's got everything.

 

[hmmmmm1]

Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Can - great

Sakho - good
Markovic - good

Lallana - average
Moreno - average
Manquillo - average
Lovren - average
Allen - average
Mignolet - average

Borini - poor
Balotelli - poor
Lambert - poor

*All subject to change in a few games time after we lose a few games.

Everything does look a lot brighter now, all of a sudden, but it's still early days for a lot of the signings, and we have a tough few weeks coming up. It'll be interesting to see how opinions change again in March/April

This is about right

 

[peterhague]

Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Can - great

Sakho - good
Markovic - good
Manquillo - good
Origi - good (yep, a lot of assumption here, but he's a major signing with a lot of potential)

Moreno - average
Ilori - average

Lallana - poor
Alberto - poor
Aspas - poor
Borini - poor
Allen - poor
Lambert - poor
Mignolet - poor

Lovren - terrible
Balotelli - terrible

 

[FerrisBueller]

Why do a lot of people think Lovren will get better, when's he going to play? Surely it was Bolton or never?

 

[peterhague]

God knows. He's not young, he's not new to the league. He plays in the same position as our best defender. He's been fucking useless and he cost £20m.

He's a dreadful signing.

 

[tombrown]

Sturridge - perfect
Coutinho - excellent
Can - The new Mrs Brown

Sakho - good
Markovic - good
Manquillo - good
Origi - no idea

Moreno - good
Ilori - no idea

Lallana - good
Alberto - no idea
Aspas - awful corner taker when we are up against it
Borini - poor
Allen - OK
Lambert - OK
Mignolet - OK ... still hoping he may turn the corner & become great

Lovren - bad start, will come good
Balotelli - I was delighted we got him, I was sooo wrong

Now I'll take my leave to pleasure the new Mrs Brown

 

[beejay]

In terms of value now :

Lallana £15m (cost £23m)
Can £20m (£9m)
Sturridge £50m (£12m)
Coutinho £40m (£8m)
Borini £7m (£11m)
Sakho £20m (£18m)
Balotelli £8m (£16m)
Lambert 4m (£4m)
Moreno £10m (£12m)
Ilori £3m (£7m)
Aspas £3m (£7m)
Alberto £2m (£6m)
Origi £10m (£10m)
Markovic £12m (£20m)
Mignolet £7m (£9m)
Lovren £8m (£20m)
Allen £8m (£15m)

£227m / £208m

It's debatable all of those figures but I would say we are on the plus side overall

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

I'm still waiting for an apology thread from all of the bells who used to slate Sakho.

 

[keniget]

In terms of value now :

Lallana £15m (cost £23m)
Can £20m (£9m)
Sturridge £50m (£12m)
Coutinho £40m (£8m)
Borini £7m (£11m)
Sakho £20m (£18m)
Balotelli £8m (£16m)
Lambert 4m (£4m)
Moreno £10m (£12m)
Ilori £3m (£7m)
Aspas £3m (£7m)
Alberto £2m (£6m)
Origi £10m (£10m)
Markovic £12m (£20m)
Mignolet £7m (£9m)
Lovren £8m (£20m)
Allen £8m (£15m)

£227m / £208m

It's debatable all of those figures but I would say we are on the plus side overall

That's quite an interesting way to approach the debate. I like it.

I think you're on the optimistic side with Coutinho and Sturridge - they've got a ways to go to earn those valuations - which would leave us in the red but on the whole your judgement seems there or thereabouts.

 

[beejay]

That's quite an interesting way to approach the debate. I like it.

I think you're on the optimistic side with Coutinho and Sturridge - they've got a ways to go to earn those valuations - which would leave us in the red but on the whole your judgement seems there or thereabouts.

Cheers. You might be right but both are on long contracts and allowing for some of the transfers - like Mata £38m, Luiz £50m, Suarez £75m, Bale £90m - one of the mega rich clubs would have to pay that sort of money for us to sell.

Overall, you might conclude that the committee have got a few spectacularly right, but many badly wrong.

In Can, Sturridge, Coutinho, Sakho & Sterling we have some terrific young quality players to build an exciting new team around and there's hope that Lallana, Origi, Ibe & Markovic can step up to join them.

 

[refugee]

Sturridge - great
Coutinho - great
Can - great

Sakho - good (he was poor last season, but he has taken his chance this last couple of months due to Lovrens inepitude, needs to keep his form going)
Markovic - good (needs to keep improving though)

Lallana - average (some good games, some bad. Needs to improve)
Moreno - average (not sure if it's him or the tactics, but needs to defend better)
Manquillo - average (meh)
Allen - average (meh)
Mignolet - average
Lambert - average (he'd been pretty much how I expected)

Borini - poor
Lovren - poor at best
Balotelli - poor at best

 

[Whirly]

If Lovren is going to be "poor at present", then you could tag every player who's been good as "good at present" and so on. If you're going to project players who've been poor to improve, you should also project players who've been good to regress.

 

[Oncy]

If Lovren is going to be "poor at present", then you could tag every player who's been good as "good at present" and so on. If you're going to project players who've been poor to improve, you should also project players who've been good to regress.

I didnt project anything.
At this moment in time its looking like a poor signing though right?
So fuck up.

 

[Buddha]

Aspas has scored more La Liga goals than Suarez this season..

 

[Frogfish]

In terms of value now :

Lallana £15m (cost £23m)
Can £20m (£9m)
Sturridge £50m (£12m)
Coutinho £40m (£8m)
Borini £7m (£11m)
Sakho £20m (£18m)
Balotelli £8m (£16m)
Lambert 4m (£4m)
Moreno £10m (£12m)
Ilori £3m (£7m)
Aspas £3m (£7m)
Alberto £2m (£6m)
Origi £10m (£10m)
Markovic £12m (£20m)
Mignolet £7m (£9m)
Lovren £8m (£20m)
Allen £8m (£15m)

£227m / £208m

It's debatable all of those figures but I would say we are on the plus side overall

Yeah I like this too. Overly optimistic on some, personal opinion on some that are close and far too negative in players you don't rate but overall it probably comes close.

Can't be arsed changing valuations for an 'IMHO' as I'm typing this out from freezing Mongolia on an iPad.

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

That's quite an interesting way to approach the debate. I like it.

I think you're on the optimistic side with Coutinho and Sturridge - they've got a ways to go to earn those valuations - which would leave us in the red but on the whole your judgement seems there or thereabouts.

I would actually argue that is right on in terms of value for Sturridge if you only take into account his ability and goal tally.

When you factor in his injury history that's where his valuation in the market becomes tricky.

Otherwise he is no worse than the third best striker in the premier league and probably top 10 in all of Europe and by today's prices he is a £50 million player.

 

[Frogfish]

Lallana - 7 will get better.
Can - 8
Sturridge - 9
Coutinho - 8.5
Borini - 4.5
Sakho - 8
Balotelli - 4
Lambert - 6
Moreno - 6.5
Manquillo - 6
Markovic - 7 will become excellent
Lovren - 5 will improve, you don't become that inconsistent overnight
Allen - 6.5
Mignolet - 6.5

 

[MaBigTip]

Lallana - okay, he will play better but you have to start questioning whether we needed to buy more in that position or we should have spent the money on a striker. Coutinho/Sterling/Lazar/Ibe/Ojo
Can - Amazing, known it from the first 45.
Sturridge - Excellent
Coutinho - Superb
Borini - shite
Sakho - Phenomenal
Balotelli - turd sandwich
Lambert - strictly sentimental - but does a job
Moreno - substandard with pace
Manquillo - good FB, but no role in new formation
Markovic - good with appropriate potential
Lovren - currently dementia riddled but you have a hope he could come back
Allen - underwhelming - lightweight CM who can't score or tackle
Mignolet - okay I guess, would prefer a GK more comfortable on the deck

 

[keniget]

I would actually argue that is right on in terms of value for Sturridge if you only take into account his ability and goal tally.

When you factor in his injury history that's where his valuation in the market becomes tricky.

Otherwise he is no worse than the third best striker in the premier league and probably top 10 in all of Europe and by today's prices he is a £50 million player.

But you can't really put his injury record to one side which is why I wonder about his value. That and the fact that he's really only had one top season.