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[SummerOnions]

Looks like Harvey might be off:

Harvey Elliott: Liverpool midfielder to consider future at club

Liverpool midfielder Harvey Elliott says he does not want to be "wasting years" in his career and this summer will weigh up whether to stay at the club.

www.bbc.com

Would be a shame to see him go but can't see him ever playing a leading role for us. Not sure who wants him though

 

[Markeh]

820 minutes across the season, definitely not fancied by the manager.

i kind of wish he would’ve trusted endo and elliott some more because they’re better than the minutes they got but it’s hard to argue with the end result.

the boy is right, he should go and play some football, boyhood fan or not. definitely feels like he’d be great in italy or maybe germany.

 

[MomoWASright]

I said something similar a few months ago. He needs to go and play for his own good. He’s got a few title medals. Go and enjoy your football.

 

[King Binny]

View: https://x.com/dlmjnk/status/1931957757487530368

 

[bluebell]

View: https://x.com/dlmjnk/status/1931957757487530368

No surprise he is going. Good luck to him, I am sure he will be good at somewhere like Spurs replacing Maddison who seems to last only a handful of games

 

[jan]

Yeah I hope he goes to a good club abroad and does well. Like Napoli, Inter, Roma or Dortmund, although I have no idea who can afford him

Brighton is probably the best option if he stays in England

 

[Judge Jules]

It's a pity as Harvey's a decent player, a good pro and a genuine boyhood Liverpool fan who's been living his dream, but he has to be playing to build a career. I wish him well whatever happens.

 

[singlerider]

Like for the title

 

[mom]

I think it’s best all round if he does go.
He’s a decent player but not quite at the level we need.

 

[Beamrider]

It's a pity as Harvey's a decent player, a good pro and a genuine boyhood Liverpool fan who's been living his dream, but he has to be playing to build a career. I wish him well whatever happens.

100% this, I'll be disappointed if he has to go, but the lad is a class act. Even in that piece in the Times he's totally respectful towards the club, and if he does have to go then at least he got to lift the league trophy in front of the Kop. I wish him well with whatever comes next.

 

[Dreambeliever]

He’s clearly not in Slots plans which is a shame as he’s a model pro with a knack for a goal or something creative when we need it.

Hope he goes to a decent club and proves he is in fact top tier.

 

[Farkmaster]

This is why I find it hard to understand the idea of "betrayal," from someone like Trent.

We've got players leaving who love Liverpool because the winds of football carried a new manager in.

We've got players who are underpaid being told "we are fine running your contract down to zero, we won't be doing an extension."

We are cheering on other players to ruin their career going to Saudi so we get more money.

The deal is, don't be an excellent player from Liverpool, then you're not allowed to leave, until you're not good that is. Then, on your bike. Everyone else, fuck you?

 

[Whaddapie]

C'mon, Farky... We've done this one to death, mate.

One is a lovable, bit-part player, self-declared fan, living out his dream, who's not quite good enough to build a future LFC team around, but who plays like his life depends on it. The other was an integral part of the recent glories we've enjoyed, who would become a living legend if he'd chosen to stay with the club he claims to love beyond reason, but who's clearly been leaving for two seasons now, and has played like he doesn't care anymore.

There's a world of difference between the hopes for, expectations of and manner in which Harvey's performed for us over the past couple of seasons, and those same criteria as they pertain to Trent...

 

[Farkmaster]

C'mon, Farky... We've done this one to death, mate.

One is a lovable, bit-part player, self-declared fan, living out his dream, who's not quite good enough to build a future LFC team around, but who plays like his life depends on it. The other was an integral part of the recent glories we've enjoyed, who would become a living legend if he'd chosen to stay with the club he claims to love beyond reason, but who's clearly been leaving for two seasons now, and has played like he doesn't care anymore.

There's a world of difference between the hopes for, expectations of and manner in which Harvey's performed for us over the past couple of seasons, and those same criteria as they pertain to Trent...

What about the people we use up and spit out?

The difference seems mostly to be how good the players are in the moment, and the responsibility seems to be all on the player. The club is expected to act in its financial interests only.

 

[Whaddapie]

A) Like whom?
B) Part and parcel of the game they choose to play. And before you say it, yes, of course it's that same rule for Trent, but, for the reasons that I outline above, people are gonna feel a certain way about that one, as opposed to the kids who didn't quite make it.

Of course Trent leaving is gonna cause heartbreak and outcry, more than most any other departure in our history - You can only be devastated when somebody dumps you if you love them before they do, right..? Especially if they promised you the world before they ran way with somebody else.

 

[Farkmaster]

A) Like whom?
B) Part and parcel of the game they choose to play. And before you say it, yes, of course it's that same rule for Trent, but, for the reasons that I outline above, people are gonna feel a certain way about that one, as opposed to the kids who didn't quite make it.

Of course Trent leaving is gonna cause heartbreak and outcry, more than most any other departure in our history - You can only be devastated when somebody dumps you if you love them before they do, right..? Especially if they promised you the world before they ran way with somebody else.

Like Diaz, who we have publically said we aren't renewing, and are fine to keep, (because he's on low wages.)

It can cause heartache, I'm not disputing that, but it's the claim someone has done something wrong, simultaneous to the expectation that for the other side of things, as far as Liverpool negotiate things, it's business, strictly business.

Likewise, for supporters, the romance is conditional on the players being useful. We are more like DiCaprio, cynically dumping everyone when they're old and we are bored of them, than we are a serial monogamist seeking abiding love.

 

[tombrown]

I'm on team Farkie

 

[Whaddapie]

Like Diaz, who we have publically said we aren't renewing, and are fine to keep, (because he's on low wages.)

It can cause heartache, I'm not disputing that, but it's the claim someone has done something wrong, simultaneous to the expectation that for the other side of things, as far as Liverpool negotiate things, it's business, strictly business.

Likewise, for supporters, the romance is conditional on the players being useful. We are more like DiCaprio, cynically dumping everyone when they're old and we are bored of them, than we are a serial monogamist seeking abiding love.

Dig the Leo comparison, actually... Well played. 🙂

As a fan, who loves this club second only to my kids and some of my family, I'll say two things, before leaving it, 'coz we've all gone around on this a dozen times by now:

Firstly. when you get into professional football, you do so with eyes open and you know the risks (just like dating Mr. DiCaprio, I would imagine). This business loves you when you're easy to love and then moves on, when you're past your best - It's cutthroat, yes, but it also affords you (the young, wide-eyed starlet) a life of fame and luxury that will last until the day you die. This might be a bit old-manish of me, but I'm never gonna feel sorry for somebody who's earning 15.6m GBP for 5 years of kicking a football.

Secondly, Trent has done absolutely nothing wrong... He's entitled to do what he wants with his career and his life. Of course that's fair.

But we fans are equally entitled to feel how we feel about it. I choose to feel lied to (he's known he would leave for two years now), disappointed and disgusted by the attitude and (lack of) effort that we've seen since then. He's let us and himself down, in my opinion... Doesn't mean I wish him a terrible life or a career ending injury, of course - That's sick. But I don't particularly wish him professional success, either.

Nor did I with that bellend Owen, McMoneyman, Coutinho or Henderson. I expected better from all of them, because they felt different while they were here. Sadly, it turns out, they weren't.

Neither is Trent. And he should be. THAT'S the point.

 

[Fabio]

We're in the business of supporting the football club. Anything that helps us, great. Anything that makes us weaker, fuck you.

Rationality in sports doesn't exist

 

[the count]

I'm on team Farkie

If you are implying that we are all hypocritical cunts then yes, I agree.

 

[peterhague]

This is why I find it hard to understand the idea of "betrayal," from someone like Trent.

We've got players leaving who love Liverpool because the winds of football carried a new manager in.

We've got players who are underpaid being told "we are fine running your contract down to zero, we won't be doing an extension."

We are cheering on other players to ruin their career going to Saudi so we get more money.

The deal is, don't be an excellent player from Liverpool, then you're not allowed to leave, until you're not good that is. Then, on your bike. Everyone else, fuck you?

LFC can treat some players badly and some players can treat LFC badly. In the first instance the club is in the wrong and in the second the players are in the wrong.

It's not that complicated, is it?

 

[Farkmaster]

LFC can treat some players badly and some players can treat LFC badly. In the first instance the club is in the wrong and in the second the players are in the wrong.

It's not that complicated, is it?

That's fine. All I'm saying is that when we treat players "badly" and make decisions in our interest without regard to theirs it's described as good business, and when they do the same it isn't.

 

[Whaddapie]

I do get what you're saying, really... But, Diaz's low wages will get him to 15.6m if he sees out his contract. We're not treating him badly at all, imho. As Don Michael says in G3, this is the business that they have chosen.

 

[peterhague]

That's fine. All I'm saying is that when we treat players "badly" and make decisions in our interest without regard to theirs it's described as good business, and when they do the same it isn't.

I suppose there's a bit of a double standard in that the club is in this grey area of obviously being less responsible than a human being but also not so ruthless as a normal corporation.

Where I come down is I'd probably expect the club to show some level of decency towards a guy like Elliott or Trent but not really to other clubs or less emotionally attached players.

So if the club treated Elliott harshly then I'd expect someone who criticised Trent to also criticise the club, otherwise it'd be hypocritical. I don't think the same would apply to the club, say, exploiting a small club to get a player on the cheap.

The case of Diaz and basically underpaying the guy I think is fairly borderline. You could argue it either way I think.

 

[tombrown]

If you are implying that we are all hypocritical cunts then yes, I agree.

Who are you calling a hypocritical cunt, you hypocritical cunt?

 

[Woland]

Like Diaz, who we have publically said we aren't renewing, and are fine to keep, (because he's on low wages.)

It can cause heartache, I'm not disputing that, but it's the claim someone has done something wrong, simultaneous to the expectation that for the other side of things, as far as Liverpool negotiate things, it's business, strictly business.

Likewise, for supporters, the romance is conditional on the players being useful. We are more like DiCaprio, cynically dumping everyone when they're old and we are bored of them, than we are a serial monogamist seeking abiding love.

I agree with you but I still think Trent is a wanker. A paradox perhaps. A riddle wrapped in a mystery, inside a massive fucking twat.