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Liverpool fans' group attacks Anfield prices as £1,000 season ticket planned

A Liverpool supporters' organisation has hit out at the club's American owners Fenway Sports Group after the announcement of the first £1,000 Anfield season ticket.
A new pricing structure, released by the club in preparation for the opening of the redeveloped Main Stand next season, showed the highest-priced season ticket rising to £1,029.
The lowest-priced will cost £685 and the club said 64 percent of ticket prices would freeze or decrease, with 45 per cent of matchday tickets also seeing a reduction.
But Jay McKenna, a spokesman for the Spirit of Shankly group, claimed the FSG hierarchy were not interested in a debate about prices despite the fans' group having received positive noises from officials in Liverpool itself.
"We had countless meetings with Liverpool-based executives, but this is an ownership decision," McKenna told Press Association Sport.


"It is an economic decision which has been made that the club could and should make more money from the supporters.
"They are the people who sign this off and we have had no response to our proposals or why their proposals were unfair and unnecessary.
"We weren't asking them to not make money [on ticket prices], just a little bit less than they were proposing.
"We didn't even get the decency of a reply -- we didn't even get a 'no.' If I am really honest, I am surprised.
"We thought people at the club understood that it is not just about money, it is about our support and how it is being priced out."
Anfield chief executive Ian Ayre defended the price changes, saying they had been "carefully considered to ensure the long-term sustainability and competitiveness of the club while listening to the views of our matchgoing fans."
He stressed that the new ticketing structure meant more tickets would be available for local youngsters and added: "We recognise the incredible importance of ticket pricing to our matchgoing fans, and we take the responsibility very seriously."

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/liverpool/story/2799310/liverpool-fans-group-attacks-anfield-ticket-prices
 
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Oh, yet another idiot that think it is fun to destroy threads.

Congrats, you destroyed this one. I took a few seconds.
 
SOS won't be happy until tickets are 3 and 6, and only those born inside L4 are allowed in. What about all the marketing blurb anyway, £9 tickets for kids at Cat C games, discounts from 17-21 year olds, and a freeze or reduction on 64% season tickets and 45% match day tickets, that sounds pretty positive, or is it just selective stats?
 
Dunno, £77 for a regular ticket in the main stand is a lot of money like. It's a working class city.

My own season ticket will work out at £54 a match next season. It's pretty fucking expensive like. Not sure how much longer I'll be going to be honest.

Laying out over a grand every June isn't something that appeals anymore, especially when the atmosphere is crap and I keep getting Chinese fellas with selfie sticks sitting next to me.

And don't get me started on the fat cunt that sits behind me.

Maybe I'm growing/grown up, but it's not how it used to be.
 
The PL is dead compared to the BL. The reason and almost the only reason is the sky high ticket prices.
 
It's a ridiculous amount of money for what it fast becoming something that feels a sightseeing stop for tourists.

Hundreds of people there clutching their lfc store bags & holding their phones, all waiting for someone else to start singing so they can film it.

The lack of genuine atmosphere in most games plus prices has led to a fair few regulars I know either stopping going the odd games or selling their season tickets each season.
 
Terrific article by Jay McKenna below
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2016/02/liverpools-ticket-prices-a-missed-opportunity/

I’m a cynic by nature. People ask if I am really an old man. But it’s just a natural curiosity about things — wondering why someone might be doing something, asking questions why.

I have been like this about going the match and about Liverpool FC in the past. My twenties were against a backdrop of Tom Hicks and George Gillett, Christian Purslow and Martin Broughton. I’ve seen the soap opera up close as I have been involved in Spirit Of Shankly throughout.

I continue to be involved as the Chair of SOS but in recent years, I made a conscious effort to push all those bad memories away, to forget it, to concentrate on the match. Instead, I’ve tried to think about whether Joe Allen is good enough, whether I can try to see in Adam Lallana what others clearly can. Being Emre Can’s number one fan.

Here I am though, now, feeling a bit stupid.

I’ve spent the last 13 months of my life talking to Liverpool about ticket prices. I was actually hopeful. I felt positive at first. I should have known better. I feel a fool.

Today’s prices announcement by Liverpool FC will be picked over. Debated and discussed online and in newspapers. By fans on the way to Leicester tonight and to the game against Sunderland at Anfield on Saturday.

There will be, and should be, discussion about the prices. It will raise many questions: How much it will cost to go to the match? What is being done to get more youngsters into the ground? Can you or your mate or your dad or your sister or your son or your daughter afford to still go the games on a regular basis? Are you going to be an ‘I’m alright, Jack’ or are you angry at paying more?


I will go into those questions. But, firstly, some clarification to the club’s announcement:
  • The club didn’t have the decency to send us a copy of their planned release until 10 minutes before the announcement. This despite an agreement throughout that we would all share planned releases on this. They were asked. They said they “hoped” they could share it with us. They eventually did. With 10 minutes to go.
  • Yes, 64 per cent of season ticket holders will see prices decrease or freeze. The rest go up. At greater increments than the decreases
  • 45 per cent of match-day tickets see a decrease. The other 55 per cent? Same as above.
  • Yes, there is a £9 ticket. But it is available for just three matches a season, and just 527 of them a game. That’s 1,581 seats priced at £9 out of a possible 878,693 seats a season.
  • These local supporter tickets were introduced right at the end of the process, after we had asked for reductions to prices overall. This was their only “offer” with no consultation.
  • There are additional tickets for young supporters, a move we pushed for throughout and one we now welcome. We have fears on the long-term sustainability but this move should be applauded.
  • “13 months of consultation” is not a true reflection of what happened. We spent 13 months on it, but we haven’t been “consulted” — just presented with final plans and proposals.
  • The Ticket Working Group is not a sub-group of the Official Supporters’ Committee. The Ticket Working Group is made up of reps from SOS, Spion Kop 1906 and the Supporters’ Committee and came about following protests and a request to meet with the club, one acknowledged by John Henry. It has been independent of the Supporters Committee throughout. The club can’t even bring itself to acknowledge the other supporter groups involved.
  • The club have announced the highest match-day price to be £77. True, in their published prices. However the “Tier 1” proposals shown to us, have prices at: £175 for Category A matches, £100 for Category B and £85 for Category C. There are 834 of these tickets. The revenue for these seats was included in the £39million target for tickets set by the owners.
  • The club now say that these higher-price tickets are “low-level hospitality”. For those prices, they should be. But they have been included in discussions on “general admission” prices in all proposals presented. This only changed very recently, when they changed the name.
  • The club haven’t revealed yet what this “new” low-level hospitality will include. But in the same tier of prices where a season ticket costs £1,029, these prices are a 124 per cent mark up on average per match.
  • If people accept that these seats are now “hospitality”, the much talked about redevelopment and seat increase associated with the new Main Stand shifts. We were told half the new seats would be general admission (approximately 4,000) and the other half hospitality seats. This changes that to nearer 3,000 and 5,000 respectively.
Those numbers aside, this represents something much bigger — bigger than me, SOS, or any individual. Liverpool FC, namely the owners of the club, agreed to set up a Ticket Working Group to tackle the issue of ticket prices and address affordability. This is what they have given us.

They have wilfully ignored their own supporters. SOS, the club’s Supporters Committee, Spion Kop 1906 — all supporter groups that they have been happy to work with or use to sell their atmosphere in the past. One group they even set up themselves.

And they’ve paid no attention to it, save for the idea that if we hadn’t made our representations, it might have been worse and we might not have as many youngsters being offered a chance.

I don’t know if I feel angry or sad about how this has all unfolded.

I should be angry. I should be telling everyone we can change it. That’s out of my hands though.
Supporters themselves need to be angry. They need to see the numbers and find it unacceptable.

I think I am more likely to be sad and let down by it all. Let’s be clear, LFC will never have another opportunity like this. Never again will they have all the additional seats from the new Main Stand, all the hospitality increases, arriving at exactly the same time as a train full of cash from Sky and BT.

Instead, we have more of the same. More squeezing of supporters. Is that fair? Is it necessary? Is it justifiable?

Ignore supply and demand for a minute here. We don’t call ourselves consumers. The club can, but we don’t. We don’t get a say on the supply. They build a stadium that has a limited capacity and that’s not our fault.

This was an opportunity. More seats. More money from the stadium, on top of tv deals, partnerships and increasing commercial revenues. We set out in all discussions with the club that supporters had been asked to pay more and more for so long. Above inflation rises. A chance now then to reward the loyalty. Make a bit less from supporters. Certainly don’t make more.

But then… the prices.

It all went out the window. Overall, the clubs owners have decided to make more money than ever before from ticket prices. They currently make £35m from ticket sales. If they implemented a price freeze, the extra seats would mean this rises to £37m automatically.
Instead, they wanted more. £39m. An extra £2m on top.

Some might say we need this to repay the loan on the Main Stand. Get that paid off and we can give Jürgen Klopp all that extra cash. Only we don’t need a penny of it for this. The club have confirmed that the hospitality revenues from the newly-developed Main Stand will take care of this, and make a bit extra on top.

So there’s at least £2m extra, probably a bit more when the loan is repaid each year.

Maybe we need it to be competitive, I hear you say. Maybe we need it to sign players or pay the going rate in wages.

I won’t make an obvious comment here, save to say that in the last published accounts the wage bill, as a percentage of our overall revenue, had dropped from 54 per cent to 52 per cent.

In that time, revenues to last season grew by just over £40m. Competing against other clubs is one thing. But the extra £2m won’t help us catch Chelsea in the Deloitte Football Money League.

Without it, we don’t fall a place either. In fact, the proposal by supporters to reduce ticket revenue over time would mean we still stay ninth in the world if every ticket in the ground cost £30.

Match-day revenue, from tickets anyway, matters less and less. In Liverpool FC’s last published accounts, it was 20 per cent of our overall revenue.

Hospitality is where the big money is. As Liverpool have admitted in how they plan to pay for the new stand, this is how it stacks up financially. So why squeeze the last bit out of everyone else? Why miss the opportunity to be fair? Why miss the opportunity to lead the way, to be innovative? Why miss the opportunity to be Liverpool FC and not be like everyone else?

Instead, the owners have gone for more of the same. They’ve robbed Peter, give a bit to Paul and kept the rest.
Some say they would accept price rises if others around the ground fell.

What we see is supporter versus supporter here. Season ticket holders are not hit as hard as members who buy match-day tickets.
More season ticket holders see their price fall, slightly. The rest see theirs go up significantly. For match-day tickets, more prices go up than down. Again, big rise, slight fall. All to reach a bottom line figure set in Boston.

Yet ticket prices shouldn’t just be seen in terms of revenue, or fairness.

All of that is important. For us though, throughout the process, we’ve made the point that the prices you charge, how accessible Anfield is, affects the support and atmosphere in the ground.
The club have listened — there will be 500 local supporters with access to tickets and 1,000 young adults. But it’s a sticking plaster.

Liverpool are saying to the youngsters, “Come to Anfield, we missed you, we’re fixing our mistake. Come and help us generate an atmosphere. Just make sure that by time you are 22 you can pay whatever we charge by then.”

Maybe that’s the cynic in me. What’s the plan then? Price them out? It’s what is happening now. At 22, have a good job and no responsibility or you might struggle. But thanks for your support over the last three, four or five seasons.

The atmosphere at Anfield is dying. We know it. It’s changed. It is worsening. The manager has said it. The opportunity to give something back to loyal supporters has been missed. That opportunity to be innovative has gone. All for the bottom line.

If you treat supporters as consumers, don’t be surprised if they act like consumers. Having to pick and choose. Being priced out. Seeing it as entertainment, being spectators and not supporters.

This was the opportunity to ensure the sustainability of our current and future support. The opportunity for the club to tell supporters they were on our side. The opportunity to say that for all the club markets itself on the back of our support, it values it.

This was the best opportunity we had – for supporters to get a little and the club to get a lot.

Boston blew it.
 
One of the main reasons i only go to league games now is so i can avoid the day trippers. Pricks who don't know who the players are and don't know any of the words to even the more well known songs (YNWA , Scouser Tommy etc) . The same ones you have to stand up for as they squeeze past you and then stand up again as they realise that this isn't where their seat is. The type that don't really watch the match as they are too busy tweeting, texting or filming the match with their phone. People who want to experience the atmosphere of the Kop but who don't add fuck all to it. The ones who buy two tickets and then bring their bird with them who couldn't give two shits about the match. The very worse ones though buy tickets that aren't next to each other or in adjacent rows and then ask you to move from the seat you've been in for years because they want to sit together.
It's worth mentioning that this isn't having a go at out of towners as some of the lads who sit around me ( and have done since the stand was built) are from North Wales , Ireland and the Midlands and are good lads and I've known plenty of people who travel ridiculous distances to get to every home game and have lots of respect for them doing that. I'm not sure I would have that same dedication but then again maybe i would support my local team, who knows.
 
How many gmes has Henry been to since the penny dropped that Moneyball ain't gonna work with football. Since then it's all been about fattening the cow for market.
 
Every ticket should cost £15. Give a youngster a chance instead of signing a £30m player.

Instead of signing someone like Texeira in the summer we should give Ojo a chance.
 
Its a strange one though. On one hand we want to be competitive and attract new fans, but on the other we complain about them being there seeing as that some of them arent that into football or tradition.
Two of my mates have a few season tickets that they share with the rest of us for a fee. That will continue next season aswell. And we sign as loudly as anyone.

I agree about the response about the increase though. For 2 mill thats not needed and the club could have done something positive.

How do we compare to the other top clubs in the league?
As far as I've seen we're still cheaper than the top 6. Arsenal have a season ticket at 2k for example.
I get that its in London but we should be on par with the Manchester clubs. Its sadly the way football is going these days.
With the new TV deal there should be a common effort from all the clubs to decrease ticket prices. But that wont happen sadly.
Shame for the fans and football in general.
 
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We are freezing out the fans who are the lifeblood of the club with the ticketing policies.

Oh and SoS don't want all people attending to be from L4, they'd just like people who are lucky enough to get a ticket to try and keep to most of the traditions of the great club we have.

I'm from out of town, but I've always been made welcome by the locals. It's cringey when I hear "who are ya?" or "you're not singing anymore"

Modern football is shit.

We need a Scouse heart in the club, the team and the stands. Sadly it's diminishing further and further.
 
It's been fucked for a long time. Just become more obvious recently. Football without supporters is nothing they say. I say football is a big nothing.
 
Go to the cinema and you can't get anyone to shut the fuck up for an hour and half. Go to the game and you can't get people to make any noise for an hour and a half. An odd world we live in.
Prices, daytrippers, selfie sticks, phone cameras, the whole point of going was to see your mates and share in supporting a team you felt a connection with. Used to be brilliant. Now it's shit.
 
I still think the best practical solution is to end the obviously defunct regulation that only a certain amount of games can be televised, on the condition that a very high proportion of the extra profits goes to reducing ordinary ticket prices.

More media revenue, a bit more money for the clubs, a lot more money for the match-going fans.
 
There is talk of a walk out in the 77th minute on Saturday.
If enough fans do that it will get noticed obviously.
If its 1-0 or 1-1 and dead exciting would you still go through with it? I probably wouldnt.
 
There is talk of a walk out in the 77th minute on Saturday.
If enough fans do that it will get noticed obviously.
If its 1-0 or 1-1 and dead exciting would you still go through with it? I probably wouldnt.

Tricky one. The day trippers and people who only get to a game here or there won't want to leave after 77 mins if they've forked out loads to get there. I can see them staying.

It's a catch 22 situation. Day trippers (I'm one myself these days) will pay the money for a one off trip to Anfield so there will always be bums on seats.
 
There is talk of a walk out in the 77th minute on Saturday.
If enough fans do that it will get noticed obviously.
If its 1-0 or 1-1 and dead exciting would you still go through with it? I probably wouldnt.
If it's as exciting as games against Sunderland usually are then people walking out in the 77th minute might start a stampede.
It would be more fun if someone started a conga out of the ground.
 
Would there still be bums on seats if the majority are walking out though? I mean wouldn't you be slightly embarrassed if you were one of a minority not walking out?
 
Liverpool fans group urges 77th minute walkout against Sunderland

  • 11:03, 4 FEB 2016
  • UPDATED 11:04, 4 FEB 2016
  • BY JAMES PEARCE
Spion Kop 1906 wants fans to protest at £77 tickets
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Spirit of Shankly members who joined a recent protest against higher ticket prices at football in London



Liverpool supporters group Spion Kop 1906 are organising a walk out during Saturday's Premier League clash with Sunderland at Anfield in protest at rising ticket prices.
They are urging fans to leave the stadium on 77 minutes –after it was revealed earlier this week that the most expensive seats in the redeveloped Main Stand will cost £77 next season.
The protest has the full backing of supporters' union Spirit of Shankly, who along with representatives from Spion Kop 1906 were involved in discussions with the club over prices but were left fuming at the announcement.


Spirit of Shankly also took to Twitter to show their support.
Their statement read: “We're right behind the action of @SpionKop1906 to #walkouton77
“We need to stand together, all supporters, or prices will never change.
“We will also be announcing action for supporters not at the match or unable to talk part. Let's see if LFC tell sponsors we are customers.”

Liverpool's own supporters committee branded the newly reviewed ticket prices “morally unjustifiable”.
The most expensive season ticket price for next season will be £1,029 with the lowest costing £685. The highest Main Stand ticket will go up from £59 to £77.
Liverpool FC have been approached for a comment.
 
Tricky one. The day trippers and people who only get to a game here or there won't want to leave after 77 mins if they've forked out loads to get there. I can see them staying.

It's a catch 22 situation. Day trippers (I'm one myself these days) will pay the money for a one off trip to Anfield so there will always be bums on seats.

We're not as bad as the day trippers described above. No sign of a selfie stick or hat or the big clunky bag from the club shop, no time spent on the phone, we know and sing the songs and are not complete morons when it comes to football. I saw a man of at least 40 two 3 rows ahead of me at the West Brom game wearing a jester hat for fuck sake.

Tickets are priced in a way that it's no longer affordable for a lot of local to go most weeks (and create the atmosphere) and OOTers can only afford to go a couple of times a year at best, so you get more and more day trippers. Basically they don't reward their most loyal fans, which is bullshit. I think it's in part due to them being American owners. American fans have been willfully gauged for years, but either don't care or are too stupid to see how badly ripped off they get (it's both probably a combination of both).
 
Transforming fans into customers.

They are not even trying to hide it. They know that most fans are so stupid that they will get away with it. Liverpool FC is no longer a football club. It is a like a movie with a new episode or two every week with new fans turning up for every episode. The players are the movie stars. FSG trying to milk the fans as much as they can.

FSG out.
 
Transforming fans into customers.

They are not even trying to hide it. They know that most fans are so stupid that they will get away with it. Liverpool FC is no longer a football club. It is a like a movie with a new episode or two every week with new fans turning up for every episode. The players are the movie stars. FSG trying to milk the fans as much as they can.

FSG out.
I thought you'd fucked off?
 
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