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[article]Jamal Lewis reportedly cut short a holiday to seal a ‘dream move’ to Liverpool. He might need another to stop his head spinning before Norwich City begin their Championship quest.

Not that it is any laughing matter. Not for a 22-year-old who was at the centre of a feeding frenzy before, during and after Liverpool’s very public pursuit played out through favoured media.

Such as it was. One emailed offer last Wednesday night around 9:30pm, to Stuart Webber’s inbox before an immediate rejection was returned.

A brief message containing proposed figures that would have represented a fifth of what Manchester City paid to a fellow relegated club, Bournemouth, for Nathan Ake.
Allied to very ambitious clauses inserted for future earnings, such as Lewis’ leading role in another Champions League victory for Jurgen Klopp’s men.

That, after a day when the club had been bombarded by media requests informing them of an incoming offer from Merseyside.

City were left waiting for acknowledgement to their reply, let alone a response or a second, improved offer to the opening curt exchange. From City’s side there would have been pragmatism and a realism a deal could have been struck to the benefit of all parties.

That Liverpool did not return with an improved bid and within days had unveiled Kostas Tsimikas from Olympiakos left more questions than answers. Certainly for Norwich.

Tsimikas himself has since suggested his move was already well underway by the time his former club were exiting the Europa League at Wolves.

That came barely 24 hours after contact had been made with the Canaries.

Whether Lewis was a bargaining chip or whether the Reds were prepared to see which of the two chases paid off first is open to debate. The voluminous slew of social media opinion has raged for days since.

There are plenty of Norwich fans who share the club’s own view a lack of respect was shown.

All the more puzzling given Webber and fellow executive committee member Zoe Ward built relationships that still endure with Liverpool from their previous time working on Merseyside.

Now the fear for many of those same Norwich fans is they have to repair one with a player who had the chance taken away to join the Premier League, World and still European champions.

There has been no rupture.

Both Lewis and his representative were as surprised as his club to discover the scale of Liverpool’s modest offer, even in the current economic climate. There has been no fallout. There will be no downing of tools or any transfer request.

City’s top brass were mindful of the negative currents this could unleash around a tight knit dressing room and have already sought to limit any repercussions.

Lewis’ maturity saw him emerge as the first of Daniel Farke’s fledglings to cement a place in Norwich’s first team. But the last few days must have left him bruised, dazed and upset.

Who would not want to jump at the chance to work with Klopp and his galaxy of talent?

The Northern Irish international was no different. It is a mark perhaps of his self-confidence he was ready to take his chance to compete with Andy Robertson. But Lewis can also see the bigger picture.

There will be other offers and other interest, if he continues his accelerated progress.

Liverpool in the short term viewed him, or for that matter Tsimikas, as a prospective signing that could provide back up and challenge the Scot on the left of the Reds’ superb defence.

Yes the champions of England have a duty to their own club and vast fan base, and no doubt a summer transfer strategy where sourcing an understudy to a player yet in his prime hardly ranked as a top priority.

But City should not be disrespected or called into questioned for attaching a different value to Lewis. Or Ben Godfrey, Max Aarons, Todd Cantwell and Emi Buendia.

That was another crucial factor in play. Norwich will not undersell one of their best and brightest, if it unleashes potential demands for similar parity in this transfer window from the rest, should clubs come knocking.

Webber could not have been clearer following relegation.

None of the above leave for less than they received in tougher financial territory for James Maddison.

Many Norwich fans have already noted reports Liverpool will now potentially listen to offers for one of their own in Harry Wilson.

A homegrown player contracted to the Reds for the same length as Lewis is to Norwich. A player who spent last season on loan at Bournemouth, where he made three more Premier League appearances, and currently has five more international caps.

Wilson is yet to appear for his parent club in the Premier League. Yet the Welshman is now being touted for £20m. Sound familiar?

If that is the going market rate for the 23-year-old then it is hard to see why Liverpool felt they could lift Lewis for less than half that amount. If they wanted him at all.

The wheel has already turned. Liverpool have their man. Norwich have Lewis.

Social media duels back and forth show little sign of abating. Expect plenty more speculation around City’s young left back in the weeks ahead.

Lewis has made no secret of his ambition to play at the very highest level. If it is not to be this summer there is an expectancy within Carrow Road that could happen in the next two windows that follow.

But this affair leaves a sour aftertaste.[/article]
 
Isn’t all this a bit self contradictory? The article says Norwich were bewildered we didn’t come back with a second bid and would have displayed “pragmatism and realism” but then it says Norwich made it clear none of their younger talent would leave for less than the Maddison fee (so over 20m and more like 22). So they were clear on their price point. We were made aware of it, and decided to continue with another option.

Also, how have they been disrespected. And why aren’t they just chuffed they’ve kept hold of this miraculous multi million pound talent ?
 
Norwich chiefs were reportedly left feeling disrespected by Liverpool over their low-ball attempt to sign Jamal Lewis.
Liverpool expressed an interest in Lewis but were only prepared to pay half of Norwich's valuation of the player and submitted a bid worth just £8million - which was immediately rejected.
According to Eastern Daily Press, the Canaries were willing to negotiate a deal and expected to receive an improved bid only for Liverpool to instead announce the signing of Kostas Tsimikas from Olympiacos just days later.


We bid, they rejected it and said they wanted double the amount. We get another player, they feel disrespected.
LOL.
 
I do think it was a bit odd why we bothered bidding at all, like. I couldn't give a fuck about Norwich, but you can understand Lewis being upset.
 
Disconcur. I would prefer them to continue whinging for several more days, and then with a bit of luck things will hopefully escalate to actual tears being shed.
 
Maybe that is our valuation? Norwich [rightly] refused but it needs to grow up and stop whingeing.

Yeah but it's just a weird way of going about a negotiation. Clubs basically never accept a first bid. A compromise is always sought.

I just don't know why we'd bother if we had no intention of upping the bid.
 
Yeah but it's just a weird way of going about a negotiation. Clubs basically never accept a first bid. A compromise is always sought.

I just don't know why we'd bother if we had no intention of upping the bid.

We may have, if we felt like we were close in valuation, and that the deal could be dealt with quickly. If we thought we could end up halfway, but to get there it was going to take weeks, it makes sense we'd bail, given when the season is starting.

Given how long Klopp likes to work with players, and what a bastard of a position it can be in our team, I think we wanted a left back that could actually help this year if needed. A 10 mil valuation of that player isn't derisory either. He's all potential.
 
You go in with a bid to feel them out, they’ve watched too many movies and decide to play hardball “Under no circumstances whatsoever will we accept one penny less than the James Maddison fee. Never ever”.

So we say fuck that, we’ve got another plan. And they respond “hey, what are you doing? Your offer was derisory but we could have been pragmatic and made a deal”. Errrrrr, so you’re full of shit then, wank at negotiation, and it’s all apparently our fault
 
You go in with a bid to feel them out, they’ve watched too many movies and decide to play hardball “Under no circumstances whatsoever will we accept one penny less than the James Maddison fee. Never ever”.

So we say fuck that, we’ve got another plan. And they respond “hey, what are you doing? Your offer was derisory but we could have been pragmatic and made a deal”. Errrrrr, so you’re full of shit then, wank at negotiation, and it’s all apparently our fault

I still don't see what that achieves. If we wanted the player we missed any chance of getting him by being so inflexible (not only should we have expected Norwich to virtually automatically reject a first bid, but they'd be expecting us to virtually automatically come in with a higher bid, because that's what clubs do, so it doesn't follow that we could conclude from their stance that they were being particularly obdurate, when they might have simply being playing out what they thought was the traditional back and forth), and if we didn't really want him it was just a waste of time.

So we made Norwich look like fools? So what, if we ended up fooling ourselves at the same time.
 
You go in with a bid to feel them out, they’ve watched too many movies and decide to play hardball “Under no circumstances whatsoever will we accept one penny less than the James Maddison fee. Never ever”.

So we say fuck that, we’ve got another plan. And they respond “hey, what are you doing? Your offer was derisory but we could have been pragmatic and made a deal”. Errrrrr, so you’re full of shit then, wank at negotiation, and it’s all apparently our fault

Norwich negotiating team

 
I still don't see what that achieves. If we wanted the player we missed any chance of getting him by being so inflexible (not only should we have expected Norwich to virtually automatically reject a first bid, but they'd be expecting us to virtually automatically come in with a higher bid, because that's what clubs do, so it doesn't follow that we could conclude from their stance that they were being particularly obdurate, when they might have simply being playing out what they thought was the traditional back and forth), and if we didn't really want him it was just a waste of time.

So we made Norwich look like fools? So what, if we ended up fooling ourselves at the same time.

We don't look like fools, and we can't know much just by hearing the basics of the negotiation. I get the impression we felt Norwich were going to drag it out, and we did instruct other clubs that we were ready with other options, which helps future negotiations.
 
We don't look like fools, and we can't know much just by hearing the basics of the negotiation. I get the impression we felt Norwich were going to drag it out, and we did instruct other clubs that we were ready with other options, which helps future negotiations.

I didn't say we do look like fools, what I meant was that we'd be fools if we let a first choice target go for the sake of, say, £1m.

You may well be right about what happened, and the club's thinking etc, but I'm only really taking issue with the idea that we somehow 'won' the negotiation simply by virtue of refusing to negotiate. Yes, we might have had been given specific indications that any negotiations were likely to be fruitless, but that's speculation, and a different point entirely.
 
I still don't see what that achieves. If we wanted the player we missed any chance of getting him by being so inflexible (not only should we have expected Norwich to virtually automatically reject a first bid, but they'd be expecting us to virtually automatically come in with a higher bid, because that's what clubs do, so it doesn't follow that we could conclude from their stance that they were being particularly obdurate, when they might have simply being playing out what they thought was the traditional back and forth), and if we didn't really want him it was just a waste of time.

So we made Norwich look like fools? So what, if we ended up fooling ourselves at the same time.
Agree. All it probably needed was a polite ah OK, we're miles off, nevermind and this would be a no story.

Now all we've done in burn a few bridges with Norwich and Lewis.
 

[article]Jamal Lewis reportedly cut short a holiday to seal a ‘dream move’ to Liverpool. He might need another to stop his head spinning before Norwich City begin their Championship quest.

Not that it is any laughing matter. Not for a 22-year-old who was at the centre of a feeding frenzy before, during and after Liverpool’s very public pursuit played out through favoured media.

Such as it was. One emailed offer last Wednesday night around 9:30pm, to Stuart Webber’s inbox before an immediate rejection was returned.

A brief message containing proposed figures that would have represented a fifth of what Manchester City paid to a fellow relegated club, Bournemouth, for Nathan Ake. Allied to very ambitious clauses inserted for future earnings, such as Lewis’ leading role in another Champions League victory for Jurgen Klopp’s men.


That, after a day when the club had been bombarded by media requests informing them of an incoming offer from Merseyside.

City were left waiting for acknowledgement to their reply, let alone a response or a second, improved offer to the opening curt exchange. From City’s side there would have been pragmatism and a realism a deal could have been struck to the benefit of all parties.

That Liverpool did not return with an improved bid and within days had unveiled Kostas Tsimikas from Olympiakos left more questions than answers. Certainly for Norwich.

Tsimikas himself has since suggested his move was already well underway by the time his former club were exiting the Europa League at Wolves.

That came barely 24 hours after contact had been made with the Canaries.

Whether Lewis was a bargaining chip or whether the Reds were prepared to see which of the two chases paid off first is open to debate. The voluminous slew of social media opinion has raged for days since.

There are plenty of Norwich fans who share the club’s own view a lack of respect was shown.

All the more puzzling given Webber and fellow executive committee member Zoe Ward built relationships that still endure with Liverpool from their previous time working on Merseyside.

Now the fear for many of those same Norwich fans is they have to repair one with a player who had the chance taken away to join the Premier League, World and still European champions.

There has been no rupture.

Both Lewis and his representative were as surprised as his club to discover the scale of Liverpool’s modest offer, even in the current economic climate. There has been no fallout. There will be no downing of tools or any transfer request.

City’s top brass were mindful of the negative currents this could unleash around a tight knit dressing room and have already sought to limit any repercussions.

Lewis’ maturity saw him emerge as the first of Daniel Farke’s fledglings to cement a place in Norwich’s first team. But the last few days must have left him bruised, dazed and upset.

Who would not want to jump at the chance to work with Klopp and his galaxy of talent?

The Northern Irish international was no different. It is a mark perhaps of his self-confidence he was ready to take his chance to compete with Andy Robertson. But Lewis can also see the bigger picture.

There will be other offers and other interest, if he continues his accelerated progress.

Liverpool in the short term viewed him, or for that matter Tsimikas, as a prospective signing that could provide back up and challenge the Scot on the left of the Reds’ superb defence.

Yes the champions of England have a duty to their own club and vast fan base, and no doubt a summer transfer strategy where sourcing an understudy to a player yet in his prime hardly ranked as a top priority.

But City should not be disrespected or called into questioned for attaching a different value to Lewis. Or Ben Godfrey, Max Aarons, Todd Cantwell and Emi Buendia.

That was another crucial factor in play. Norwich will not undersell one of their best and brightest, if it unleashes potential demands for similar parity in this transfer window from the rest, should clubs come knocking.

Webber could not have been clearer following relegation.

None of the above leave for less than they received in tougher financial territory for James Maddison.

Many Norwich fans have already noted reports Liverpool will now potentially listen to offers for one of their own in Harry Wilson.

A homegrown player contracted to the Reds for the same length as Lewis is to Norwich. A player who spent last season on loan at Bournemouth, where he made three more Premier League appearances, and currently has five more international caps.

Wilson is yet to appear for his parent club in the Premier League. Yet the Welshman is now being touted for £20m. Sound familiar?

If that is the going market rate for the 23-year-old then it is hard to see why Liverpool felt they could lift Lewis for less than half that amount. If they wanted him at all.

The wheel has already turned. Liverpool have their man. Norwich have Lewis.

Social media duels back and forth show little sign of abating. Expect plenty more speculation around City’s young left back in the weeks ahead.

Lewis has made no secret of his ambition to play at the very highest level. If it is not to be this summer there is an expectancy within Carrow Road that could happen in the next two windows that follow.

But this affair leaves a sour aftertaste.[/article]


the comparison to Wilson in here is bonkers. They seem to think that age = valuation. Deluded.
 
Not as bonkers as the entirely pathetic woe is me tone of the fake news story. It's almost as if we invited Lewis up to a hotel room and proceeded to Weinstein the poor kid, and now the media and his club need to come out in #metoo support of him, to help him rebuild his shattered life.
 
It could be that we thought he was worth what we offered, and no more. I quite like the way we do business now, may ruffle a few feathers, but the whole transfer back and forth sagas, is more of a waste of peoples time, imo.
 
The only reason this left a sour aftertaste for Norwich is because they didnt get close to their own valuation, and this media spin afterwards is just some poor attempt at face saving and blaming us. The "met his match" stuff regarding Webber and Edwards is just weird and akward.
I doubt anyone would believe otherwise than that Lewis would be desperate to move to us. But wheter or not we move on after a bid of 8 mill + add ons was rejected and being told 20 mill is his asking price, is surely up to us.
 
Also left backs are not wingers for fuck sake. They're defenders and therefore cost less money. It's not rocket science
 
Also left backs are not wingers for fuck sake. They're defenders and therefore cost less money. It's not rocket science
Entirely correct - it’s not an exact science is it with young kids, but the forwards tend to be able to demonstrate their end-product and therefore value more clearly.

*Unless dealing with Man City who refuse to sign a fullback for less than fifty million. The twats.
 
Jaysus. Some people will always find something, somewhere, in every situation involving LFC to desperately identify a black cloud to go around our silver lining.

We bid for Lewis, our offer was not accepted, we bid for the Greek, our offer was accepted. We bought the Greek.

There is no rule that says we HAVE to bid a certain amount; there is no rule that says when we have a bid rejected we HAVE to follow up with a higher bid. Why are people losing their shit over this?​
 
It seems like part of the issue is how we supposedly leaked this in the media more so than usual.
 
Jaysus. Some people will always find something, somewhere, in every situation involving LFC to desperately identify a black cloud to go around our silver lining.

We bid for Lewis, our offer was not accepted, we bid for the Greek, our offer was accepted. We bought the Greek.

There is no rule that says we HAVE to bid a certain amount; there is no rule that says when we have a bid rejected we HAVE to follow up with a higher bid. Why are people losing their shit over this?​

Also no rule to say our interest in players has to be linear !
 
For a back up position, maybe we didn't want to haggle for a few weeks.

Maybe we knew how much Kostas would Kostas (lulz), and offered less for Jamal, to see if our second choice could come for cheaper. He couldn't, so we thought "fuck it, get the top target"

There's no disrespect, it's not like 40m+1, they told us a cost (might have even told us a minimum), and we walked away
 
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