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Ok, it was all a misunderstanding...Pepe loves us, hates United!

He actually said in Spanish "I can't rule out dressing up as a United Player for Hallow'een..."

Thanks for clearing up our mass delusion and hysteria!

All hail the Amnesiacs!
 
So this thread is about something Pepe DIDN'T say?

My word.....



Next, it'll be "it's not what he didn't say but how he didn't say it."
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44633.msg1320178#msg1320178 date=1303518992]
So this thread is about something Pepe DIDN'T say?

My word.....



Next, it'll be "it's not what he didn't say but how he didn't say it."
[/quote]

Here it is.

"I won’t lie, I want to play in the Champions League and challenge for titles," he said. "[Edwin] Van der Sar will hang up his gloves in the summer so of course [United] are looking. I can’t do anything. I can’t say anything logically as I have a contract with Liverpool.


There's nothing to this of course. Definitely misunderstood. Please don't see anything in this. Anyone offended by these comments should remember Pepe is a great old scout!
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=44633.msg1320203#msg1320203 date=1303529494]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44633.msg1320178#msg1320178 date=1303518992]
So this thread is about something Pepe DIDN'T say?

My word.....



Next, it'll be "it's not what he didn't say but how he didn't say it."
[/quote]

Here it is.

"I won’t lie, I want to play in the Champions League and challenge for titles," he said. "[Edwin] Van der Sar will hang up his gloves in the summer so of course [United] are looking. I can’t do anything. I can’t say anything logically as I have a contract with Liverpool.


There's nothing to this of course. Definitely misunderstood. Please don't see anything in this. Anyone offended by these comments should remember Pepe is a great old scout!
[/quote]


fuck me....

The guy is from Spain.. why should he have immense loyalty to a struggling team rife with internal politics??

because we have the best fans in the world??? if i recall several of our players have been booed during games in the last 5 years. Reina has been here to see the hatred towards several players including Lucas and his pal Morientes.

Seems a bit hypocritical to demand complete loyalty from our players when we the fans are quick to jump on a player for a few poor performences.

Reina's comments didnt bother me. I was far more upset with Gerrards intention to move to Chelsea. Our hatred of Man Utd stems from our upbringing.. the rivalry in the stands, on the streets and in the workplace. Reina is a proffesional Footballer that gives his all for this club and if he feels the club is moving forward in a positive direction im sure he would be one of the first to put his hand up to stay.

These comments were from a very dark time during Reina's stint at the club. Torres was a PR project gone wrong. He was sold to the fans as the messiah and when he wanted to leave he was left out to hang like some form of new age Judas. If Reina was delighted with this situation id consider him a complete dumb ass.

Reina deserves more respect than he is receiving on here at the moment. Those comments dont deserve such a reaction.



Imagine being married to a Woman for 8 years.. things get real bad because your wife is now a fat, two faced bitch and her friends are getting shitter and shitter. Your life is a headfuck and you arnt happy as nothing is fun anymore. Your inlaws give you nothing but grief and leave you to clean up the pieces after their unkept promises make your family life even harder.

You know a woman from work who used to be best mates with your wife.. she would be very keen to get with you.. She is attractive and very successful. You know things would be easier for you and life wouldnt be such a constant headfuck. She would take some of the responsibility off you and treat you well. Things will be fun again.

Your mate asks you... " would you ever consider getting with woman B??"

you cant give a yes or no answer because you are completely torn ... however you say... im married so while im married that will not happen...
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=44633.msg1320216#msg1320216 date=1303541312]
[quote author=localny link=topic=44633.msg1320203#msg1320203 date=1303529494]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44633.msg1320178#msg1320178 date=1303518992]
So this thread is about something Pepe DIDN'T say?

My word.....



Next, it'll be "it's not what he didn't say but how he didn't say it."
[/quote]

Here it is.

"I won’t lie, I want to play in the Champions League and challenge for titles," he said. "[Edwin] Van der Sar will hang up his gloves in the summer so of course [United] are looking. I can’t do anything. I can’t say anything logically as I have a contract with Liverpool.


There's nothing to this of course. Definitely misunderstood. Please don't see anything in this. Anyone offended by these comments should remember Pepe is a great old scout!
[/quote]


fuck me....

The guy is from Spain.. why should he have immense loyalty to a struggling team rife with internal politics??

because we have the best fans in the world??? if i recall several of our players have been booed during games in the last 5 years. Reina has been here to see the hatred towards several players including Lucas and his pal Morientes.

Seems a bit hypocritical to demand complete loyalty from our players when we the fans are quick to jump on a player for a few poor performences.

Reina's comments didnt bother me. I was far more upset with Gerrards intention to move to Chelsea. Our hatred of Man Utd stems from our upbringing.. the rivalry in the stands, on the streets and in the workplace. Reina is a proffesional Footballer that gives his all for this club and if he feels the club is moving forward in a positive direction im sure he would be one of the first to put his hand up to stay.

These comments were from a very dark time during Reina's stint at the club. Torres was a PR project gone wrong. He was sold to the fans as the messiah and when he wanted to leave he was left out to hang like some form of new age Judas. If Reina was delighted with this situation id consider him a complete dumb ass.

Reina deserves more respect than he is receiving on here at the moment. Those comments dont deserve such a reaction.



Imagine being married to a Woman for 8 years.. things get real bad because your wife is now a fat, two faced bitch and her friends are getting shitter and shitter. Your life is a headfuck and you arnt happy as nothing is fun anymore. Your inlaws give you nothing but grief and leave you to clean up the pieces after their unkept promises make your family life even harder.

You know a woman from work who used to be best mates with your wife.. she would be very keen to get with you.. She is attractive and very successful. You know things would be easier for you and life wouldnt be such a constant headfuck. She would take some of the responsibility off you and treat you well. Things will be fun again.

Your mate asks you... " would you ever consider getting with woman B??"

you cant give a yes or no answer because you are completely torn ... however you say... im married so while im married that will not happen...




[/quote]

You don't say it knowing your wife might find out, because you don't want to hurt her. Unless you are a total cunt.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=44633.msg1320222#msg1320222 date=1303543133]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=44633.msg1320216#msg1320216 date=1303541312]
[quote author=localny link=topic=44633.msg1320203#msg1320203 date=1303529494]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44633.msg1320178#msg1320178 date=1303518992]
So this thread is about something Pepe DIDN'T say?

My word.....



Next, it'll be "it's not what he didn't say but how he didn't say it."
[/quote]

Here it is.

"I won’t lie, I want to play in the Champions League and challenge for titles," he said. "[Edwin] Van der Sar will hang up his gloves in the summer so of course [United] are looking. I can’t do anything. I can’t say anything logically as I have a contract with Liverpool.


There's nothing to this of course. Definitely misunderstood. Please don't see anything in this. Anyone offended by these comments should remember Pepe is a great old scout!
[/quote]


fuck me....

The guy is from Spain.. why should he have immense loyalty to a struggling team rife with internal politics??

because we have the best fans in the world??? if i recall several of our players have been booed during games in the last 5 years. Reina has been here to see the hatred towards several players including Lucas and his pal Morientes.

Seems a bit hypocritical to demand complete loyalty from our players when we the fans are quick to jump on a player for a few poor performences.

Reina's comments didnt bother me. I was far more upset with Gerrards intention to move to Chelsea. Our hatred of Man Utd stems from our upbringing.. the rivalry in the stands, on the streets and in the workplace. Reina is a proffesional Footballer that gives his all for this club and if he feels the club is moving forward in a positive direction im sure he would be one of the first to put his hand up to stay.

These comments were from a very dark time during Reina's stint at the club. Torres was a PR project gone wrong. He was sold to the fans as the messiah and when he wanted to leave he was left out to hang like some form of new age Judas. If Reina was delighted with this situation id consider him a complete dumb ass.

Reina deserves more respect than he is receiving on here at the moment. Those comments dont deserve such a reaction.



Imagine being married to a Woman for 8 years.. things get real bad because your wife is now a fat, two faced bitch and her friends are getting shitter and shitter. Your life is a headfuck and you arnt happy as nothing is fun anymore. Your inlaws give you nothing but grief and leave you to clean up the pieces after their unkept promises make your family life even harder.

You know a woman from work who used to be best mates with your wife.. she would be very keen to get with you.. She is attractive and very successful. You know things would be easier for you and life wouldnt be such a constant headfuck. She would take some of the responsibility off you and treat you well. Things will be fun again.

Your mate asks you... " would you ever consider getting with woman B??"

you cant give a yes or no answer because you are completely torn ... however you say... im married so while im married that will not happen...




[/quote]

You don't say it knowing your wife might find out, because you don't want to hurt her. Unless you are a total cunt.
[/quote]


Nup, she will realise what a dick she has been and things need to change...
 
The analogy isn't really needed, Gareth. It's not like anyone is struggling to understand the situation. It's just that they see it differently.

Besides, the Liverpool-Utd rivalry is not some trivial matter, which can be explained away by pointing to Pepe's nationality. It is deep-seated, and dates back decades. Every player who comes here becomes aware of it, and Pepe is one of the players who has always led us to believe that he 'got' us. His failure to rule out a move to them is a slap in the face to all Liverpool fans.

And the interview in question was, in fact, the one with Sid Lowe in the Guardian. Allow me to refresh some memories:

And then there was one. The question now is: how much longer will he stay? It is a question that the last high-profile survivor of Anfield's Spanish era, Pepe Reina, knows is coming as he strolls across the grass at the national team's Las Rozas HQ, northwest of Madrid, and eases into a seat on the bench by the training pitch.

He does not hide from the question but nor does he know the answer yet. Under different circumstances he might have left Anfield already, perhaps last summer. Since then his best friend has left the club.

When Fernando Torres defected to Chelsea in January Liverpool lost a forward but Reina lost his friend and neighbour (Luis Suárez has since moved into the former Torres residence). It is not just Torres who has moved on, though. Xabi Alonso has gone too. And Alvaro Arbeloa, Antonio Nuñez, Albert Riera, Mikel San José and Fernando Morientes. So too Rafael Benítez and his staff. Dani Pacheco is still around but the 20-year old has played only seven minutes in the league. Reina, Liverpool's third longest-serving current player after Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard, is the last man standing.

"Well," he smiles, face lit by the lamps lining the path to the Spain team's residence where those former club-mates Arbeloa, Alonso and Torres await him, "not exactly: I have got 24 Liverpool team-mates, you know.

"But," he adds – and "but" is a word he uses often, "this is a sad time. I'm very good friends with Fernando and seeing him play against us in blue was strange. It made me feel a little nostalgic, sorry. When I got to Liverpool, there were five of us Spaniards plus the coaching staff and some of the physios. Now I'm the only one. I would have liked a lot of them to stay but it wasn't to be and I'm not panicking. That's the way football is.

"Liverpool is still Liverpool and always will be bigger than any player. The club belongs to its fans and the fans' loyalty is to the club – not a player or a passport. Kenny Dalglish was absolutely right: anyone that doesn't want to be at Liverpool can leave. Players will come and go."

First, the good news: "I am not," Reina says, "announcing my departure – far from it. I've said lots of times I'm very happy in England and comfortable at Liverpool. But …" But?

"But I'm not prepared to swear eternal love to anyone. That's impossible. Any player who says that is lying. I can't say much because I have a contract with Liverpool. But eternal love doesn't exist. No one is master of his own destiny. When a player is at club he has to give everything – that is all you can ask of him."

And that, Reina says, is exactly what Torres did. "Anyone who plays for Liverpool is proud to have done so – and Fernando certainly is. It was a hard decision, maybe the hardest Fernando has ever had. Those calling him a mercenary are wrong. They should remember great afternoons of football he gave us and the goals. Besides, he cost £23m and left for £50m. Football is about opportunities. It's understandable that Fernando wanted to improve and compete for titles. He aspired to get better as a player. The reality is Chelsea offered him something that, right now, Liverpool couldn't."

That something is Champions League football. For Liverpool the European situation could get even worse. There is a danger they will even miss out on the Europa League next season after Birmingham City's Carling Cup victory left one fewer European spot available to the Premier League. Last Sunday's dismal 3-1 defeat at relegation-threatened West Ham United showed how far Liverpool have to go.

Torres talked about being in a "dark place"; Chelsea offered him a shaft of light. Liverpool fans accused him of not giving Dalglish a chance; Reina has been impressed by the caretaker-manager's impact but he remains cautious.

"It's too soon to say everything has changed," he says. "Dalglish has proven a very important bridge, uniting fans and club. Basically, because he's Kenny Dalglish. As well as being a good coach he is a legend: fans are far more patient with him than with [Roy] Hodgson or even Benítez.

"He's a referencia [icon] who understands the club perfectly, what it feels and represents. He knows the fans and I think he is a very important appointment. Just like [the first-team coach] Steve Clarke: people aren't talking about him but he's proving very important. He takes the training sessions, comes up with ideas, proposes solutions, analyses the opposition. I really want to highlight him because he is doing a fantastic job; his work has been very productive."

But asked if players will be more patient under Dalglish, Reina's response is simple: "I honestly don't know. When I talk about patience, I'm talking about fans." Another but. "But it's too early to say that [we have stepped into the light]. We've got good results and it's easy to be optimistic but we have to look at the big picture and the reality is there are other teams above Liverpool. We have to accept that as natural. What a footballer wants above all else is to win, regardless of who the coach is.

"We used to fight to be among the top teams and to be in the Champions League but sadly that's not the case. I want to aspire to titles. Liverpool will always be a big club but we are not at the level of Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea or Arsenal. That's the truth. Torres, Mascherano, Xabi Alonso … they were the foundation stone of a competitive Liverpool team. And now they're not here."

So could Reina find himself in a situation in which he, like Torres, felt "obliged" to depart? "I hope not. But I would never say: 'I'm never going,' because even I don't know that. It depends on how this season finishes, on how competitive we can be, on …" There is a pause as he searches for the right word. "The ambition. It depends, above all, on the ambition of the owners in building a better team; hopefully, they will be generous in their efforts but we know the economic reality." Again, he pauses and shifts in the blue plastic seat. "I can't say very much more to you because I have a contract for five years."

If, as Reina says, it was ambition that forced Torres towards the door, why has he not gone too. Is he not ambitious? "I'm ambitious, I'm ambitious," he says, quickly, interrupting.

So why is he still there? "That's the question. I imagine the fans will recognise my commitment, they will appreciate that. But those who say that Fernando is a mercenary or a money-grabber for going are wrong. Fernando gave them the opportunity in the summer by staying at the club and things haven't changed much.

"I've shown my commitment over the last six years. I renewed my contract at a very delicate, very difficult, time for the club; maybe the fans didn't see that, but I wanted to make that gesture. I gave them a chance, renewing my contract and not leaving this summer when I could have done so."

There were serious offers? "Yes," he says. "I stayed because I wanted to keep believing in Liverpool."

In fact, Reina, Torres and Gerrard – the club's three greatest assets – were told they could not leave at a time when the club were looking for a new buyer. Reina will not admit it and nor will he deny it. "The clauses in my contract are between me and the club," he says simply – but he secured a buy-out clause understood to be in the region of £20m. In the meantime, little changed to encourage him to stay. In fact, the handling of Torres's departure did the opposite. Loyalty cuts both ways.

"The offer for Torres came back again," Reina says simply. The offer for him did not. But it will. And then? Reina puffs out his cheeks. "I can't … I don't want to guess what the future holds."

Reina has already ruled out a move back to Spain, telling Onda Cero radio: "My place is in England." Arsenal's goalkeeping crisis has not gone unnoticed; nor has Edwin van der Sar's imminent retirement at Manchester United. For Liverpool fans the nightmare scenario emerges: lose to Manchester United tomorrow on Sunday and their rivals will step closer to taking their record of league titles off them and they could yet take their goalkeeper too.

If much of what Reina says about Torres applies to himself, there is one thing that does not. Torres ruled out United. Asked whether he would do the same, Reina replies: "No player can ever say no to anything."

"Romance, eternal love," he muses, "exists in very few cases. And that's a reality you just have to accept."
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It's pretty cut and dried.
 
Yeah the analogy isn't working. It was as close to a 'come and get me' to our hated rivals as it would be possible to imagine.

And 'no player can ever say no to anything' is bullshit. Lots of players have enough respect to say there are certain clubs they would never go to. Even Judas managed that. He's saying, 'I will never sat no to anything'. He can go fuck himself.
 
It's hardly a "hate campaign" anyway, is it? A number of us are registering serious disappointment with the way Reina conducted himself on a sensitive matter at a sensitive time, and opining that his relationship with the club and the fans changed when he said those things. I don't see any pitchforks being waved around.

It'll be interesting to see whether Kenny gives him the armband now if both Carra and Deadly are unavailable at the same time.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=44633.msg1320234#msg1320234 date=1303547313]
So who else in the squad are we going to have a hate campaign against? ???
[/quote]

There's no hate - there would be if he moved there, obviously, but for the moment all there is (for me, at least) is a total absence of love. I loved Reina before, and now I don't. And I doubt I ever will again, after that interview.
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44633.msg1320299#msg1320299 date=1303555818]
How do you feel about Stevie Bunny?
[/quote]

Haha
 
I think we should get behind our players until such time as they leave, at which point we have the option of changing our opinion.

It seems a pretty brittle kind of loyalty if it can be withdrawn on the basis of comments the player may or may not have made as reported in the media. Even if the alleged comments were made, we do not know why they were made. :)
 
They were definitely made. There's giving the player our support- I'd never boo him whilst playing for us, but we have every right to be narked if a player of ours says he'd break the greatest taboo for a LFC player- and there is no doubt he did say it- wasn't it on the radio for crying out loud?
 
You can't expect a foreign player to nurse an innate hatred for Man United. When Rushie was playing for Juventus, I don't expect he had strong feelings about Milan or Lazio.

Particularly when English players like Michael Owen have set a bad example! :)
 
No not an innate hatred, just a respect for the traditions of the club for which he is playing. No player in the modern history of the game has moved directly from Liverpool to the Scum. Owen was free agent, who was no longer a Liverpool player, and one who had already a fractious relationship with the fans. Pepe is a Liverpool player.
 
So despite him being fucking fantastic for us in 100's of games AND looking like he's going to be choosing to stay with us, some people will hold this one particular comment against him forever more?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44633.msg1320340#msg1320340 date=1303557576]
So despite him being fucking fantastic for us in 100's of games AND looking like he's going to be choosing to stay with us, some people will hold these comments against him forever more(if indeed these comments are as bad as being made out)?


[/quote]

What bit of them do you not understand ?
 
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=44633.msg1320347#msg1320347 date=1303558161]
I've read the quotes, but forgive me if i don't believe 100% that that is exactly how it went down.
[/quote]

I can't forgive you for being an idiot.

Sorry
 
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