Ange Gone?
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Ya Levy is a muppet.
It was a gamble but I’d say it paid off in spades and he deserved the start of next season to see what he could get out of his players now they’ve won something. Winning trophies helps those on the fence buy into a vision.
Ange might be a lot of things but a liar he isn’t. He’s always been a straight talker and has walked away from roles before for principled reasons. So yes I believe him.
Also nobody has ever said he didn’t try and win league games including him. He merely said he prioritised EL when it came to league selections which made perfect sense.
I said at the time that it's the first obviously disingenuous thing I've heard him say, and it's clearly with a view to self preservation.
After any fucking idiot would have done the same because there was zero to play for, and not one game before.
Let’s bring this in here.
Winning the Europa League in the first season that teams from the CL didn’t drop down into it (and let’s be honest when you look at the teams that would have dropped down - most of them were significantly better than any team in the EL) does not paper over the cracks of finishing 17th in the league and a win percentage of 46.53%, while having £300m+ spent on players over 4 transfer windows (closer to £400m if you include Kulusevski & Porro who were on loan prior to Ange).
What it tells you is the bloke that won things in the 14th best and most single team dominated league in Europe over the last 40 years, was not really up to the task of guiding Spurs back into a position where they would regularly challenge for CL qualification.
Tactically found out time and time again, because, it’s a bit harder to win in the EPL - he couldn’t find a way to consolidate position and results when things didn’t quite go entirely his way - that’s the sign of a manager who just isn’t very good.
But this isn’t shocking or surprising - this played out exactly the way everyone with any sort of reasoned thought process expected it to - just an average manager, completely out of his depth and the luck that brought him a trophy was not going to run into next season.
So yes, Dreamie, absolutely, clearly out of his depth - a fortunate win in a competition that was easier to win than the anything else Spurs could have achieved this past season doesn’t change that.
Like Dreamie… his threads can never die.
I liked Ange… but he has really lost the plot since January. Injuries or not, a top manager would not allow his team to lose again and again in the same exact way and not make adjustments. Let’s be real - no Premier League team is going to hire Ange after this season. He won’t be on anyone’s shortlist and in fact, I would be very surprised if any team in the top 5 leagues would seriously consider him. More than any arguments about the relative merits of a trophy versus the 17th place finish, this shows the extent to which his reputation has taken a hit.
I think he’s a good man with certain charisma and I’m glad he won something - especially if the alternative was Man U winning the Europa League. But he’s just not a top manager. I recon he’ll go back to Scotland or coach in Greece or Turkey or somewhere similar.
I think he’s a good man with certain charisma and I’m glad he won something - especially if the alternative was Man U winning the Europa League. But he’s just not a top manager. I recon he’ll go back to Scotland or coach in Greece or Turkey or somewhere similar.
Ange didn't "protect" any players - he couldn't because of all the injuries. Neither he nor you can have it both ways.
Here he is saying that the league is a better indicator of success than winning a cup. Consistent and strong league performances.
So, after going from 5th with 12 losses to 17th and 22 losses, it’s pretty clear that even from his own view this isn’t going very well.
View: https://x.com/jonnyh3232/status/1930913811520721051?s=46
My Spurs-supporting neighbour basically rolled out the "Thanks for the European up, now fuck off!" line
He was saying pre-final the best thing for all would for them to win, and the for Ange to go
He was saying pre-final the best thing for all would for them to win, and the for Ange to go
I think someone in another thread posted Pep's line about finishing in the top 4 being a better achievement than winning the league in the years pevious, which is obviously ridiculous and a silly exaggeration but I get what he's trying to say. The dude looked like a wreck when they were losing every week - they were turning into a joke.
Now obviously Spurs and City have different expectations and Pep and Ange set different standards for themselves (and Pep got to spend 200M in Jan, which he probably didn't mention as part of his achievement) but you can't accept losing every week and you also can't accept explaining it away with various excuses.
Now obviously Spurs and City have different expectations and Pep and Ange set different standards for themselves (and Pep got to spend 200M in Jan, which he probably didn't mention as part of his achievement) but you can't accept losing every week and you also can't accept explaining it away with various excuses.
Not even remotely close. They gave him a new contract and spent a shitload on new players. Spurs didn’t have to do either.
Man U won a cup. The team were in a precarious place.
He kept his job and they invested in Ten Hag's players.
It screwed them up even more - whoop dee doo.
Spurs just won a cup. Their team is in a precarious place.
Will Ange keep his job? Will the team back up if he does?
If they keep him, then yes ... they will back him.
So it's very similar ...
Forever a legend...
Nice piece but ... "laid the foundations so they won't have to wait another 17 years "?! Hahaha like fuck.
They went about 17 years before their last one, suspect they could go the same length again without one. Their league form was atrocious, and a final can always be a bit of a coin flip, but a trophy is a trophy. We don't get them often enough, but fuck knows what it'd be like to be a Spurs fan. I think that should have bought him another year, to be honest.
Tend to agree but a large proportion of their fanbase still wanted him out, trophy or no trophy. Levy won't have wanted to risk all that revenue.
For me, it’s a trophy that’s lost its prestige. It now feels more like what the Europa Conference League used to be. Anything outside the Champions League has been heavily downgraded in terms of significance, and it’s no longer a credible way to cling to a failing project.
Spurs’ form has been poor for a season and a half. I had some sympathy due to the injury crisis, but the outright refusal to adapt his style of play was damning. It often felt like he was more focused on sticking to his philosophy than actually winning football matches. It all came across like he was there for a laugh rather than to compete seriously.
I'm glad he won it, because I do find him likable enough, and it made United even more of a meme, so for that he has my thanks. I suspect he would have been given the boot by December anyway and I think there's something to be said for leaving on a high.
Spurs’ form has been poor for a season and a half. I had some sympathy due to the injury crisis, but the outright refusal to adapt his style of play was damning. It often felt like he was more focused on sticking to his philosophy than actually winning football matches. It all came across like he was there for a laugh rather than to compete seriously.
I'm glad he won it, because I do find him likable enough, and it made United even more of a meme, so for that he has my thanks. I suspect he would have been given the boot by December anyway and I think there's something to be said for leaving on a high.
Many are conveniently forgetting that all he did in Europe was win an utterly devalued competition that his team was favoured to win from the very get-go... All whilst taking that same team to a points tally that would have seen them relegated in any other year, ever. He's not unlucky here... it's actually quite the opposite.
I agree with most of your assessment. But I would not be surprised if he makes it to another job in the PL. He feels a bit like a diet version of Brendan Rodgers in the sense that when they are on a roll, they play some good football and attack very well but when they start slipping, doesn't have the nous to arrest the slide.
I can see one of the promoted sides taking a chance if their current managers are not working out. The manager market feels like number nine market, lot of decent mid level ones, couple of who are looking incredibly promising (Slot being one of them), but there really isn't a pool of truly exciting young managers out there. Ange will get his chance.
Sniggers.
