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before you slash both wrists...

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I wish Torres would get up quicker when he goes down.
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Yep hate that scare when he stay down.
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The only injury he gets in those circumstances is one of the 'head up his own arse' variety. He needs to stop moping and moaning round the pitch just because a centre half has bundled him over and the ref hasn't given him a fucking free-kick.
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Yeah but I hate that brief moment of thought when you think, oh shit, he could be injured.
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The only injury he was gonna get today was dying from suffication, what with being stuck in Ledley King's pocket for an hour and a half.
 
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I wish Torres would get up quicker when he goes down.
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Yep hate that scare when he stay down.
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The only injury he gets in those circumstances is one of the 'head up his own arse' variety. He needs to stop moping and moaning round the pitch just because a centre half has bundled him over and the ref hasn't given him a fucking free-kick.
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Yeah but I hate that brief moment of thought when you think, oh shit, he could be injured.
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The only injury he was gonna get today was dying from suffication, what with being stuck in Ledley King's pocket for an hour and a half.
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I'm not saying he could have been injured or was a victim of rough treatment. Just scares me when he stays down even for that extra moment. The'oh no, Torres could be injured' panic button gets pressed in my mind.
 
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=35274.msg926160#msg926160 date=1250474622]
Didn't the scums lose early in last season's opening games and went on to be crowned champions ?


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Yup, they drew at home to Newcastle in their first game, and lost their second one.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35274.msg925826#msg925826 date=1250445853]
a) there are 37 games to go.

b) manu, arsenal, chelsea man city have to play each other, TWICE.

c) we have to play the above, TWICE.

d) we nearly always start badly, the only difference is last year we gound out results which we can still do.

e) there are plenty of twists and turns in the winter months and final weeks, this is week ONE.

f) we lost this fixture last season so whilst we are not better off we aren't worse off either.
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Wow someone with a level head...

Glad to know there are people on here not committing suicide after the match...

Yes today was bad, but it will get better, and we will be fine....


Sean
 
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[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=35274.msg926160#msg926160 date=1250474622]
Didn't the scums lose early in last season's opening games and went on to be crowned champions ?


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Yup, they drew at home to Newcastle in their first game, and lost their second one.
[/quote]And it wasnt against a side as good as that Spurs side (who people are totally undervaluing) either.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=35274.msg926022#msg926022 date=1250457711]
I must admit, the "we always start badly" argument is annoynig, as if it's ok to do so because we have in the past.
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I agree. Its a terrible argument. We are trying to improve on our performance in the league of the last 19 years, so if we always started badly in that time then maybe that's part of the problem!

By the way, just a small fact, but in the time since we last won the league we have now only lost the opening day fixture 3 times.

However, Spurs is a difficult place to go and however poor we looked I'm not too concerned yet. Give it a few weeks.
 
the 'we always start badly' is a poor arguement but it is what it is. we DO always start badly, like we nearly always have a poor preseason, the trick is pick up points even though we are at 6's and 7's something manu do season in and season out.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35274.msg926279#msg926279 date=1250501669]
the 'we always start badly' is a poor arguement but it is what it is. we DO always start badly, like we nearly always have a poor preseason, the trick is pick up points even though we are at 6's and 7's something manu do season in and season out.
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We may still do that. We don't often have a game as difficult as Spurs away in the first weekend.
 
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The only injury he was gonna get today was dying from suffication, what with being stuck in Ledley King's pocket for an hour and a half.
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Ha ha ha !
 
it's also worth noting that even though our performance was shambolic we almost nicked a point but for a gutless ref.
 
the Papers Condemn Benitez & Pool
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Rafa Benitez may have launched a furious broadside at referee Phil Dowd but Fleet Street has responded by giving the Liverpool manager and his team a severe ticking-off for their woeful display at Tottenham on Sunday.

Shaun Custis kicks things off in The Shit by coming as close to writing off Liverpool's title hopes as anyone could dare to after just one game.

'The bottom line is Rafa Benitez's men were second best at White Hart Lane and their title credentials are already being called into question after one game,' he writes. 'Of the Big Four, plus moneybags Manchester City, the Reds were the only ones who did not win on the opening weekend of the Premier League season. They are already three points off the pace and, on this evidence, do not have the tools required to nail down a challenge.'

According to The Daily Mail's Martin Samuel, 'Liverpool's main fault was one that was widely predicted: an Alonso-sized hole in the heart of midfield. Benitez was also critical of Liverpool's possession and no official can be blamed for that.

'They did not get the ball to Steven Gerrard in the way that Alonso did last season and while there is always resentment when Liverpool are branded a two-man team, there is little doubt that if Gerrard and Fernando Torres can be silenced, so will the talk of winning the title.'

Nor does Samuel believe that Benitez had a legitimate grievance to make against Dowd's decision making.

'Benitez can moan but had either of the late penalty shouts been awarded it would have been a travesty; not least because neither appeal was particularly convincing.

'Benoit Assou-Ekotto seemed to use his weight against substitute Andriy Voronin, as defenders do, rather than tripping him, and when the ball struck his arm moments later it was placed across his body to avoid a handball, rather than hung out to his side to gain advantage.'

For The Times, Matt Hughes is particularly scathing about the deficiencies in the visitors' performance at White Hart Lane.

'The confusion at the heart of Liverpool's defence, a lack of width and limited options on the bench were contributing factors, but the paucity of the visiting team's passing without Alonso looked more fundamental.

He also poses an interesting question:

'Did Liverpool adopt a high-tempo pressing game as a result of the loss of Xabi Alonso or were the club willing to sell the Spain midfield player because of the manager's plans to alter their style of play?

'Rafael Benítez unsurprisingly ducked the issue afterwards - preferring to focus on two specious claims for penalties - but one thing is certain. Irrespective of the genesis of the transfer, Alonso is already being missed, and on this evidence may be impossible to replace.'

The Guardian's David Hytner was equally unimpressed with Benitez's post-match tirade and the non-performance of his side during the previous 90 minutes:

'The new season might be a matter of days old but the task of gagging managers in the face of perceived injustices appears to be as thankless as ever. In the case of the contentious moments here, the emphasis ought to be on the word 'perceived'.

'Benítez would have been better advised to look closer to home and consider how and why his team created so little. Rarely can Torres have had such a disappointing 90 minutes. The three players in support of him, including Gerrard, offered little more; Ryan Babel was particularly peripheral and one of the damning indictments on Liverpool was that Gomes barely had a save to make.'

In contrast, Sam Wallace's condemnation of Liverpool in The Independent is relatively subdued.

'Something was just not right in the heart of the team, they were outfought by Harry Redknapp's players and the malaise manifested in silly mistakes, like the clash of heads between Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel in the first half that left both of them off the pace.

'Benitez would surely have replaced Skrtel earlier if he had a better alternative on the bench than the untried 18-year-old Daniel Sanchez Ayala, who was eventually sent on when the disoriented Skrtel could play no more.

'It is early days yet for Liverpool but with the exception of the excellent Glen Johnson at right-back, there was little about them that could be argued was an improvement on last season. When Benitez was chasing the game with another attacking player he had no option but to bring on Andrei Voronin, who is no more effective than when he was sent on loan a year ago.'


well what else did we expect after yesterday. it wasn't the loss it was how disjointed we seemed to be. can't wait for wednesday to either prove rafa's fucked up and the leagues gone or yesterday was a blip. anyone who isn't at least a little bit concerned is deluded.
 
bull fucking SHIT

the spurs defender got ALL of the player and NONE of the ball, the challenge was from behind rather than shoulder to shoulder. as gray said if that had happended ANYWHERE other than inside the box the ref would have blown up. don't go on about thing teams 'deserve', did spurs 'deserve' three points against us last season at WHL?
 
It wasn't a nailed on pen for me simply because I don't often see refs give them on the back of those sort of challenges.
 
I didnt think either was a penalty.
If they were given against us id be livid. Voronln wants to use that lardy arse of his to better purpose, ekotou dont weigh but a buck o five.
 
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Lol @ the Eddie Murphy reference, Oncy.
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I didnt think either was a penalty.
If they were given against us id be livid. Voronln wants to use that lardy arse of his to better purpose, ekotou dont weigh but a buck o five.
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He should have fucked that ass up on the Tottenham defender.
 
Assou-Ekotto fouled Voronin inside the penalty area, so it should have been a penalty.

It's quite straight-forward really.
 
i never thought the 1st one was a penalty really. the ball was past voronin and at best he was eased off the ball. the 2nd was never a penalty. the lad had his arm next to his chest rather than move his hand towards the ball. if anything he was trying to avoid the ball hitting a loose arm.

in either case i'd have been disappointed if these were penalties awarded against us. rafa's clutching at straws here, just get the team ready for stoke instead. oh and sack whoever was in charge of our pre season.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35274.msg926447#msg926447 date=1250515378]
Blaming the ref is ridiculous.
We were not ready.
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Although he did make an incorrect decision.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35274.msg926447#msg926447 date=1250515378]
Blaming the ref is ridiculous.
We were not ready.
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Although he did make an incorrect decision.
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Its not his fault if we didnt create a single decent chance.
That was truly woeful.
And I promised something to Sheik yesterday 8)
 
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Its not his fault if we didnt create a single decent chance.
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I'm not saying it was. We were cack.
 
It was a nailed on pen

He made no effort to get the ball, instead deliberately bundled himself into Voronin ruining a potential chance.

We may not have deserved it the pen and the subsequent point, and Spurs would have been hard done by, but that's football. The ref cost did us yesterday. I guess that's just football too. 
 
it doesn't matter whether we as fans would have been angry if the decision had been given against us, the simple fact is the ref had a decision to make and bottled it. the defender got absolutely none of the ball and had he not barged into the crow, voronin would have got a shot off. I couldn't give a FUCK if spurs would have thought they were robbed, seriously who gives a fuck? it wasn't stonewall like johnsons but it WAS a penalty.
 
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it doesn't matter whether we as fans would have been angry if the decision had been given against us, the simple fact is the ref had a decision to make and bottled it. the defender got absolutely none of the ball and had he not barged into the crow, voronin would have got a shot off. I couldn't give a FUCK if spurs would have thought they were robbed, seriously who gives a fuck? it wasn't stonewall like johnsons but it WAS a penalty.
[/quote]The referee didnt give it. Therefore it WASNT.
 
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