Coutinho and Oscar are massively different players. Oscar has more end product, but I think Coutinho has a bigger influence of games.
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Coutinho and Oscar are massively different players. Oscar has more end product, but I think Coutinho has a bigger influence of games.
What influences games more than end product?
To be honest, when I think about it, frustration at Coutinho probably stems from the fact that his best spell at the club was his first few months and he hasn't really "pushed on".
Again - the talent is there and his recent form in encouraging.
Again - the talent is there and his recent form in encouraging.
The issue is not pointing out where he needs to improve, which is fine. The issue is criticising him for not already having done so to the utmost extent when he's still only 22. One day Coutinho could be better than almost anybody, even in the Prem, but he isn't going to have reached that stage yet at his age.
Now you're being pedantic! Obviously end product is the most important, but Coutinho always seems to be involved in our build up play, he's pretty much our main playmaker, Oscar seems more of an attacker than Coutinho is, an attacker surrounded by fantastic players, he rarely seems to control / boss games though.
I also think Lallana has done well for the most part, but he hasn't got a patch on Coutinho at the moment.
I see Lallana as more of an opportunist than a creator, you often find him being in the right place at the right time on the pitch. Him and Coutinho are very different imo.
I see Lallana as more of an opportunist than a creator, you often find him being in the right place at the right time on the pitch. Him and Coutinho are very different imo.
Firstly, it's worth moving the debate out of the West Ham thread.
Secondly, I'd like to approach the debate from a different angle.
Let's assume that Coutinho isn't going to get any better (which is entirely likely). He's currently as good as he's ever going to be right now and there is no superstar in the waiting.
What do we do? Is he good enough? Would you look to replace him? If so, what would it take to improve upon him?
Secondly, I'd like to approach the debate from a different angle.
Let's assume that Coutinho isn't going to get any better (which is entirely likely). He's currently as good as he's ever going to be right now and there is no superstar in the waiting.
What do we do? Is he good enough? Would you look to replace him? If so, what would it take to improve upon him?
I think he's among our best players right now, so he wouldn't even register as one we need to improve on. I said the same last summer in objection to us spending so much on Lallana.
Sterling and Coutinho behind Sturridge is probably the most perfect part of our team.
Sterling and Coutinho behind Sturridge is probably the most perfect part of our team.
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He's great but he needs the setup to suit him, and if things aren't going his way and he can't find a way through, his balls often become worse/desperate but he isn't the only one
He needs to develop a cool head under pressure before he gets near a world-class label
He needs to develop a cool head under pressure before he gets near a world-class label
What does he have to improve (beyond his shooting) that would make him a superstar?
If he learns to calm down and go for the keepers left once in a while, that will come.
Valuation if Offers a bigger goal threat? He's got to be in the $35m bracket at that point. I say high twenties right now. Who else is better than Coutinho besides Silva?
If he learns to calm down and go for the keepers left once in a while, that will come.
Valuation if Offers a bigger goal threat? He's got to be in the $35m bracket at that point. I say high twenties right now. Who else is better than Coutinho besides Silva?
I say sell him.
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Coutinho is only 22. This is the performance of Silva in the league from age 23 to 29, whom they claim Coutinho should attempt to emulate. The first two years are for Valencia and the rest are for City. Only once has Silva got more than 15 assists in the league and he was always playing with a much more potent strike force. Never gotten close to scoring 10 goals in the premier league. While Silva is a wonderful player, I dont think he should be used as a yardstick to criticize Coutinho's performance.
I strongly believe Coutinho will become a significantly better player than Silva as he matures.
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I strongly believe Coutinho will become a significantly better player than Silva as he matures.
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2011-2012 33 6 15
2012-2013 29 4 8
2013-2014 26 7 9
I've merged the original posts from the match thread into here.
As such it may read a bit weirdly cos they're in chronological order, but at least anyone who didn't read the match thread will be up to speed with everyone's opinions, & there's some good posts in there.
As such it may read a bit weirdly cos they're in chronological order, but at least anyone who didn't read the match thread will be up to speed with everyone's opinions, & there's some good posts in there.
The biggest thing he needs to add is ability to manage the game. As our playmaker and a player who is the best in the team at carrying the ball forward he has an extra responsibility to help influence the tempo and flow of the game to our advantage. When we are protecting a 1-goal lead away from home, for example, he needs to learn to keep possession and slow the tempo down. This is something Oscar knows how to do very well (with Mourinho, you have to), whereas Philippe is still way too naive there.
Along with this, shooting and consistency are the two big areas for improvement (both are getting better lately). If he improves all 3, he'll be a superstar, like Kaka in his prime.
Liverpool FC 'magician' Coutinho will become world class when he adds more goals to his game
Brazilian playmaker is enjoying a rich vein of form for the Reds and he provided both assists in Saturday’s 2-0 win over West Ham
Philippe Coutinho shoots from long range
Brendan Rodgers believes “little magician” Philippe Coutinho will become world class if he can add more goals to his game.
The Brazilian playmaker is enjoying a rich vein of form for the Reds and he provided both assists in Saturday’s 2-0 win over West Ham.
His only weakness is his finishing with just two goals in 31 appearances so far this season scant reward for his breathtaking talent.
“Young Phil is performing at a real high level and it’s a great to see because he’s a little magician with the ball,” Rodgers said.
“The rhythm of his game is good. I’m trying to just manage him because he’s played a lot of games.
“His courage and bravery to get on the ball is fantastic. If he can continue to improve – he can improve his goalscoring ability – then he will get into that bracket of being world class.
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Rodgers believes Coutinho, who endured a tough start to the season, has benefited from the greater mobility Liverpool have had up front in recent months.
The Reds boss has played Raheem Sterling as a central striker and now Daniel Sturridge is back fit. The duo both scored against the Hammers after being picked out by Coutinho.
“He’s come into his own over the past couple of months,” Rodgers said.
“That’s purely because of the movement in front. He’s a creator. He looks for the last pass.
“For that type of player, you need that movement in front of the ball and people to penetrate in behind.
“At the beginning of the season we didn’t quite have that in the team. Phil was maybe on the ball that bit longer and getting caught more than he usually would. But you see him now and he’s in a real good moment.”
Sturridge scored on his comeback against West Ham after five months out injured but he isn’t yet ready to start matches. He’s likely to be on the bench for Wednesday’s FA Cup tie at Bolton.
Rodgers has praised Sterling for how he has performed in an advanced central role during Sturridge’s absence.
Once Sturridge is fully fit, Sterling is likely to be utilised just behind his fellow England international.
“Raheem has been brilliant in the period since I put him up there,” he said.
“He has shown how adaptable he is and how intelligent he is as a footballer. He has the qualities to play in that position.
“Of course he has played a lot either on the sides or just underneath a main striker. But Raheem has shown that if he plays that role as a striker he will get goals.
“Daniel obviously has more experience and knows the movement patterns probably a bit better. Daniel coming back gives all the other players confidence as having a top striker around improves everyone.
“We just need to be careful with Dan as he’s been out a long time. The beauty of him is that he makes others around him better.
“We saw the impact of him when he came on. That’s what good players do – they give others confidence.
“It’s clear he’s not at the stage to start matches yet but he’s able to play a part. Him coming back for the second half of the season is a real help for us.”
Brazilian playmaker is enjoying a rich vein of form for the Reds and he provided both assists in Saturday’s 2-0 win over West Ham
Philippe Coutinho shoots from long range
Brendan Rodgers believes “little magician” Philippe Coutinho will become world class if he can add more goals to his game.
The Brazilian playmaker is enjoying a rich vein of form for the Reds and he provided both assists in Saturday’s 2-0 win over West Ham.
His only weakness is his finishing with just two goals in 31 appearances so far this season scant reward for his breathtaking talent.
“Young Phil is performing at a real high level and it’s a great to see because he’s a little magician with the ball,” Rodgers said.
“The rhythm of his game is good. I’m trying to just manage him because he’s played a lot of games.
“His courage and bravery to get on the ball is fantastic. If he can continue to improve – he can improve his goalscoring ability – then he will get into that bracket of being world class.
Rodgers believes Coutinho, who endured a tough start to the season, has benefited from the greater mobility Liverpool have had up front in recent months.
The Reds boss has played Raheem Sterling as a central striker and now Daniel Sturridge is back fit. The duo both scored against the Hammers after being picked out by Coutinho.
“He’s come into his own over the past couple of months,” Rodgers said.
“That’s purely because of the movement in front. He’s a creator. He looks for the last pass.
“For that type of player, you need that movement in front of the ball and people to penetrate in behind.
“At the beginning of the season we didn’t quite have that in the team. Phil was maybe on the ball that bit longer and getting caught more than he usually would. But you see him now and he’s in a real good moment.”
Sturridge scored on his comeback against West Ham after five months out injured but he isn’t yet ready to start matches. He’s likely to be on the bench for Wednesday’s FA Cup tie at Bolton.
Rodgers has praised Sterling for how he has performed in an advanced central role during Sturridge’s absence.
Once Sturridge is fully fit, Sterling is likely to be utilised just behind his fellow England international.
“Raheem has been brilliant in the period since I put him up there,” he said.
“He has shown how adaptable he is and how intelligent he is as a footballer. He has the qualities to play in that position.
“Of course he has played a lot either on the sides or just underneath a main striker. But Raheem has shown that if he plays that role as a striker he will get goals.
“Daniel obviously has more experience and knows the movement patterns probably a bit better. Daniel coming back gives all the other players confidence as having a top striker around improves everyone.
“We just need to be careful with Dan as he’s been out a long time. The beauty of him is that he makes others around him better.
“We saw the impact of him when he came on. That’s what good players do – they give others confidence.
“It’s clear he’s not at the stage to start matches yet but he’s able to play a part. Him coming back for the second half of the season is a real help for us.”
...every Liverpool fan has been saying it for the last two years.
Brendan loves using the words 'young phil' doesn't he.
He's been excellent for about 12 games now. That's approaching consistent for a lad his age.
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