Because people dare to expect more from him
Coutinho
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Well, we can use history as a guide.
2014/15 - 2.50 shots per game / 3.05 shots per 90 mins
2013/14 - 2.85 shots per game / 3.64 shots per 90 mins
2012/13 - 2.77 shots per game / 3.50 shots per 90 mins
So he's actually taking more shots the better our strikers are. 🙂
His chance creation (defined as the sum of assists and key passes - passes resulting in shooting opportunities):
2014/15 - 1.15 chances per game / 1.40 chances per 90 mins
2013/14 - 1.94 chances per game / 2.48 chances per 90 mins
2012/13 - 1.54 chances per game / 1.94 chances per 90 mins
Nothing surprising here. I guess a large part of the drop is because he's either not passing because the strikers aren't running, or he's passing into spaces and strikers aren't there.
I wouldn't say it's a joke of a thread, but I think the timing of it is a bit strange. He's playing very well recently.
It's all well and good people saying they want more from a player, well yeah, you can say that about every player.
That's easy to say, Ronaldo doesn't track back enough, well done, good analysis.., but you're missing the point.
If you take into account:
And being overly critical(which is what I believe people are doing, probably for some veiled agenda to somehow protect the recent underperformance of the players that they are championing) is not being particularly fair, nor insightful.
It really gets me when the same people go on about much lesser players and think they deserve more of a chance.
Coutinho is not a problem, not even close to it.
It's all well and good people saying they want more from a player, well yeah, you can say that about every player.
That's easy to say, Ronaldo doesn't track back enough, well done, good analysis.., but you're missing the point.
If you take into account:
- his age
- how much we paid for him
- the relative lack of hype around him before he signed
- his performances in the last few games
- the way we've only found our stride as a team very recently
- What the best players of his age and type do
- His improvement more recently
And being overly critical(which is what I believe people are doing, probably for some veiled agenda to somehow protect the recent underperformance of the players that they are championing) is not being particularly fair, nor insightful.
It really gets me when the same people go on about much lesser players and think they deserve more of a chance.
Coutinho is not a problem, not even close to it.
Because the abuse of our only creative player outside of Sterling is way over the top.
Should he score more, potentially he should, and I think he will as he develops more. He scored 5 last year only 4 less than sterling and had 7 assists which is pretty good, Sterling only had 5 assists. HE has scored 3 this season so if he gets to 7/8 with 7-10 assists that will be bloody good considering what he has had infront of him for 4 months of the season.
This year he had a poor start as did most of the team, he was hampered more than most, being THE creative outlet he has had to try to force things due to lambert and Balotelli being up top, when sterling moved up top with his movement his form improved.
No, not really - we should all do that.
He is and has been playing bloody god for 4-6 weeks so a thread is started on his failings - strange, agenda driven?
I love watching countinho take the living piss out of players.
Some of his dribbling & little flicks & headers over & around the opposition make me cum.
The issue I have is how often something decisive happens after that.
It invariably ends up in a spooned shot or in row z.
The problem is we don't know how much of that is because his teammates aren't on the same level or wavelength, & he is still young so you'd expect that end product & accuracy to increase.
I don't think it's unnecessary to criticise the lack of end product for the amount of possession he has, but there's factors to bear in mind when doing so.
One of which is if that end product increased to say 50% we'd be winning most games by 3 or 4 goals!
It's that supreme level of talent that makes me annoyed at times. He just needs an extra ten percent to his game to make us & him a world beater.
Some of his dribbling & little flicks & headers over & around the opposition make me cum.
The issue I have is how often something decisive happens after that.
It invariably ends up in a spooned shot or in row z.
The problem is we don't know how much of that is because his teammates aren't on the same level or wavelength, & he is still young so you'd expect that end product & accuracy to increase.
I don't think it's unnecessary to criticise the lack of end product for the amount of possession he has, but there's factors to bear in mind when doing so.
One of which is if that end product increased to say 50% we'd be winning most games by 3 or 4 goals!
It's that supreme level of talent that makes me annoyed at times. He just needs an extra ten percent to his game to make us & him a world beater.
You say we should all do it... Yet the people who are apparently are abusing him.
No one has said anything but glowing things about his overall contribution.
People are (quite rightly) highlighting the deficiencies in his game, as an area to improve upon.
Sorry but that's just not the case. No-one's said he's a poor player but there are numerous posts above which contain only criticism. Had those posts said something like "He's doing well for a 22-year-old but..." instead, my guess is there would have been far less controversy.
Every single post by someone offering a critique shouldn't be started with "he's doing well for a 22 year old, however..."
No one has said he's shit, overrated, a cunt, should be sold.... All the usual criticism on here. The worst criticism levelled at him is his end product is inconsistent
How is that worthy of people going "joke of a thread", or "let's play Allen there" etc.
Even Rodgers has echoed the sentiments of people on here about adding goals to his game. He's not getting vilified for it
People are criticising him for the lack of end product relative to possession. The fact is that the majority of the time he wins the ball he doesnt lose it, he moves it on to a team mate. If that player doesnt maintain possession , or score or assist its hardly Coutinho's fault. I'm not a big fan of assist stats but I wonder how many assists would he have if we had been able to convert the chances he has set up.
It's not that odd when they're one of our best players.
It would be odd if they were shit.
But to blindly defend him from criticism?
Least if it's a shit player it's for shits and giggles more often than not.
Just something I find very odd
Who's blindly doing anything?
All I've seen is people say that some people are being overly critical, nobody is immune from criticism, but context needs to be taken into account
We've got posters saying "joke of a thread", others saying Allen should play instead to specifically troll Ryan.
Some people don't want to enter a debate on the subject.
And as for context, I agree he's 22 and will improve, however he's been a playmaker/am for years,how can his finishing be THAT erratic?its not like we've plonked a 19 year old winger and asked him to learn a new role as a striker/wing back/etc.
The level bias here is nauseating. People here hiding behind claims of being fair and balanced in their critique of Coutinho, while totally neglecting or in some cases protecting some God awful performances by other players.
This is not about being wrong imo, its about knowing when to shut up.
The sad thing is, if Coutinho has a bad game against Everton, they'll be on his case again.
This is not about being wrong imo, its about knowing when to shut up.
The sad thing is, if Coutinho has a bad game against Everton, they'll be on his case again.
I did say it's impossible to define partly due to the fact that his teammates aren't great, so doesn't help the end product.
I would say that often his final ball is fucking awful though, & when he does shoot after getting in great positions it's often laughable.
Yes, he's done all the hard work getting that opportunity, but it just gives the opposition the ball straight back.
If he can score or assist once or twice every game for all those chances then no one is going to give a shit about the missed ones.
The problem is inconsistentcy, as so many have said.
Provided he keeps improving its all moot though, & I doubt anyone doesn't want that.
Pahahahahaha..
Scoper.
Not as much as when you lay your fingers on a keyboard.
He has 2 league goals from 50 shots.
There's not really any way to dress that up, whether it's a matter of him being a bad shooter or that he picks bad shots to take or a bit of both - I dont really kno. But either way if he becomes an average shooter he'll be great overall.
As others have pointed out, while he should be capable of 10 a season you'd be surprised at how few manage it.
There's not really any way to dress that up, whether it's a matter of him being a bad shooter or that he picks bad shots to take or a bit of both - I dont really kno. But either way if he becomes an average shooter he'll be great overall.
As others have pointed out, while he should be capable of 10 a season you'd be surprised at how few manage it.
A little harsh to single Dreamy out, he's not the only person points scoring in this thread. He also backed up his words with some bang-on stats.
I do agree nobody is overly-abusing Coutinho and some people are getting too defensive about it. This thread is not about what Allen does or what Lallana does or who's better than who, it's a discussion about Coutinho and the fact that while he is playing very well lately, he has the potential to be an absolutely amazing footballer and has improvements to make in all areas. The guy is a fucking wizard though. I love watching him play.
Why do they hate Coutinho so? WHY?
Not really. Dreamy is doing cartwheels because Ryan has been handing him his arse for the past 8 years and in one throwaway comment about scoring important goals Dreamy has finally thought he has a chance to point score and posted about 30 times in two pages his glee filled points scoring posts.
Completely ignoring the fact that Ryan, myself and others rate the fuck out of Coutinho but have some questions about his end product.
I dont really give a fuck to continue this anymore though pal. I want Coutinho to be a boss for us and he looks like he could be.
I dont really care what anybody else thinks.
I think you're missing the vitriolic/sarcastic OTT level of some of Ryan's points about him - "He had an horrific game against Bolton", "Lallana scores and creates goals, Coutinho evades opponents on the halfway line". Really?
It's not fair or even remotely constructive.
Should people want more from him? Yes - fair. Should we put up with bollocks comments like the above and not challenge it with clear facts? Well many have, and it's largely been overlooked by those criticising him.
Yeah felt the same when I read your over the top review of our signings.
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