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Post Match EPL Man U (H) 1-2 Sunday 4:30pm Oct 19th

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I don't think there is any point going all in on Salah. Yes, he's been shit, but his past record and status in the team means he doesn't get dropped. It's not some black mark against Slot - I doubt very many, if any, managers would drop him either. Not quickly anyway.

The whole Chiesa thing kinda makes me laugh as well - if he's the answer to all our woes, we really are fucked.

We tried to do too much in the summer and the foundation upon which we tried to do it was kinda unstable and has become even more so. It wouldn't have bad if we'd have bought players that we could slot straight into the team but we didn't - we bought hugely expensive system players (bar a couple) that don't fit our system. That's why it looks like there isn't an obvious fix.

The only player that looks good is the one player that isn't system bound - Ekitike.

It's going to be a long season.
 
Everyone knows that if we play Ekitike and Chiesa we have a fighting chance, because both are mega sharp right now and will win the ball back and will make things happen. Salah, Isak and Gakpo is just too stagnant and predictable - and Cody was very good yesterday, but he hasn't been for the rest of the season. The front three should be Ekitike, Isak and Chiesa.
 
keniget said:
I don't think there is any point going all in on Salah. Yes, he's been shit, but his past record and status in the team means he doesn't get dropped. It's not some black mark against Slot - I doubt very many, if any, managers would drop him either. Not quickly anyway.

The whole Chiesa thing kinda makes me laugh as well - if he's the answer to all our woes, we really are fucked.

We tried to do too much in the summer and the foundation upon which we tried to do it was kinda unstable and has become even more so. It wouldn't have bad if we'd have bought players that we could slot straight into the team but we didn't - we bought hugely expensive system players (bar a couple) that don't fit our system. That's why it looks like there isn't an obvious fix.

The only player that looks good is the one player that isn't system bound - Ekitike.

It's going to be a long season.
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He might not be "the answer", whatever that is, but he's playing better than anyone up front and has scored crucial goals, he was the only one putting up a fight yesterday too. He's a good player, we can't just judge him on his injury and his fee forever, we took a gamble on whether he would ever get back to anything close to the player he was, now he's starting to resemble that player we're hiding behind some shitty status thing associated with all of the above, when really on form, he should be playing. We're not "really fucked" if we're relying on him, we're in the fortunate situation that he has "come good" and we're not capatalising on it, which is fucking criminal.
 
mark1975 said:
He might not be "the answer", whatever that is, but he's playing better than anyone up front and has scored crucial goals, he was the only one putting up a fight yesterday too. He's a good player, we can't just judge him on his injury and his fee, we took a gamble on whether he would ever get back to anything close to the player he was, now he's starting to resemble that player we're hiding behind some shitty status thing associated with all of the above, when really on form, he should be playing. We're not "really fucked" if we're relying on him, we're in the fortunate situation that he has "come good" and we're not capatalising on it, which is fucking criminal.
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Ekitike should be one of the first names on team sheet right now because he's mobile, hungry and at least in spells looks like he can make things happen.

I'm being a bit mean about Chiesa, yeah, but largely as a counterbalance to some of the hyperbole around his situation. Chiesa has made some decisive contributions at the end of games (though some of the general play has left me questioning whether he'd be a huge upgrade from the start) and would be more than happy for him to get some proper game time to prove himself, which will hopefully be Gala.
 
You know what

As annoyed as I am, what can slot do? he was bold and went all out which I rate

Respectfully Salah needs to be dropped, but dont even know who can play there?

Kerkez is just a very bad player who offers nothing

We will come good, I can see it, I think we might go on an 8 win streak from now
 
keniget said:
I don't think there is any point going all in on Salah. Yes, he's been shit, but his past record and status in the team means he doesn't get dropped. It's not some black mark against Slot - I doubt very many, if any, managers would drop him either. Not quickly anyway.

The whole Chiesa thing kinda makes me laugh as well - if he's the answer to all our woes, we really are fucked.

We tried to do too much in the summer and the foundation upon which we tried to do it was kinda unstable and has become even more so. It wouldn't have bad if we'd have bought players that we could slot straight into the team but we didn't - we bought hugely expensive system players (bar a couple) that don't fit our system. That's why it looks like there isn't an obvious fix.

The only player that looks good is the one player that isn't system bound - Ekitike.

It's going to be a long season.
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So since playing Chiesa in your opinion is laughable, your solution is more Salah?
That makes a lot of sense.

I think Chiesa assisted our central strikers more in one game than Salah has done all season.
 
I hate the system player thing. Every player is a system player, but some players are more versatile than others, and some players have characteristics that make them more of a pain in the ass and helpful and do something even when shit is hitting the fan. We've not got many of those and we sold our best one. Diaz wasn't great at interplay, but he would do something if you gave him the ball without much on. I don't mean he'd score a goal, he would just get you up the pitch.

Salah has become a system player by that definition, and one who we have to really account for off the ball, like he's the one player on the team sheet that impacts all others the most, and should lock you out of making certain decisions that compound the weaknesses he imposes.

I think the only player we bought who is inarguably totally Ill fitted to the team is frimpong, but every single player we have makes more sense if Salah isn't playing, and frimpong was brought in, to my mind with a view to when Salah isn't playing, which we shouldn't be waiting for. Salah has been shit for half a year now. We are long past the "not quicky" phase. Will frimpong be great in that role? Probably not, he's not a great crosser, but he is fast, so he will be more effective than Salah if we start to simplify things.

I'd love it if I could discern that we were playing a system and that they didn't fit. There were times in that first half where our cb was on the ball, our fullbacks were back, then there was gravy in a three man triangle of united players, and there was no other Liverpool player within 50 square yards, then there were all of our attackers, in a line. If our players aren't suited to whatever that system is, that's great news because that is barely understandable to my brain as football.
 
I wish there was a compilation of every floated cross from Gakpo over Isak/Ekitike towards the far post where Salah is. You know the guy with a great right foot and Bierhoff-esque heading abilities.
 
Farkmaster said:
I think the only player we bought who is inarguably totally Ill fitted to the team is frimpong, but every single player we have makes more sense if Salah isn't playing, and frimpong was brought in, to my mind with a view to when Salah isn't playing, which we shouldn't be waiting for. Salah has been shit for half a year now. We are long past the "not quicky" phase. Will frimpong be great in that role? Probably not, he's not a great crosser, but he is fast, so he will be more effective than Salah if we start to simply things.
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Frimpong a replacement for Salah if we are looking to get balls in the box to Isak, hes got the pace and ability attacking wise and can score goals. Defensively hes questionable, I still feel we need a top RB.

The system we have with two inside forwards is just not working, Gakpo not good enough, and Salah is done for me.

The player I dont see who fits in this system is Wirtz, hes too luxury. Lacks pace, lacks strength, lacks defensively and has been abysmal, well out of his depth.
 
Farkmaster said:
I hate the system player thing. Every player is a system player, but some players are more versatile than others, and some players have characteristics that make them more of a pain in the ass and helpful and do something even when shit is hitting the fan. We've not got many of those and we sold our best one. Diaz wasn't great at interplay, but he would do something if you gave him the ball without much on. I don't mean he'd score a goal, he would just get you up the pitch.

Salah has become a system player by that definition, and one who we have to really account for off the ball, like he's the one player on the team sheet that impacts all others the most, and should lock you out of making certain decisions that compound the weaknesses he imposes.

I think the only player we bought who is inarguably totally Ill fitted to the team is frimpong, but every single player we have makes more sense if Salah isn't playing, and frimpong was brought in, to my mind with a view to when Salah isn't playing, which we shouldn't be waiting for. Salah has been shit for half a year now. We are long past the "not quicky" phase. Will frimpong be great in that role? Probably not, he's not a great crosser, but he is fast, so he will be more effective than Salah if we start to simplify things.

I'd love it if I could discern that we were playing a system and that they didn't fit. There were times in that first half where our cb was on the ball, our fullbacks were back, then there was gravy in a three man triangle of united players, and there was no other Liverpool player within 50 square yards, then there were all of our attackers, in a line. If our players aren't suited to whatever that system is, that's great news because that is barely understandable to my brain as football.
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did this guy just say start frimpong instead of salah? surely that deserves a ban?

frimpong! oh my thats the worst take i seen

frimpong is a poor mans shaun wright phillips
 
kerlon10 said:
Frimpong a replacement for Salah if we are looking to get balls in the box to Isak, hes got the pace and ability attacking wise and can score goals. Defensively hes questionable, I still feel we need a top RB.

The system we have with two inside forwards is just not working, Gakpo not good enough, and Salah is done for me.

The player I dont see who fits in this system is Wirtz, hes too luxury. Lacks pace, lacks strength, lacks defensively and has been abysmal, well out of his depth.
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It's much more of a problem that Isak doesn't have pace then that wirtz doesn't.
 
PrettyBoy said:
did this guy just say start frimpong instead of salah? surely that deserves a ban?

frimpong! oh my thats the worst take i seen

frimpong is a poor mans shaun wright phillips
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Frimpong isn't very good, but he is very fast. That's more useful if we decide to simplify things and get back to basics which is what we need to do because we are too easy to beat, so easy we just let United do it. We need protection for our fullback, and to play more compact and build a base again. If you are doing that it'd useful to have someone fast.
 
PrettyBoy said:
did this guy just say start frimpong instead of salah? surely that deserves a ban?

frimpong! oh my thats the worst take i seen

frimpong is a poor mans shaun wright phillips
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Salah is done. The reliance on him has shown us big time. Its all good and well staying up the pitch and not tracking back if your scoring/contributing at the other end and hes not doing that. Hes a passenger.

Id sooner give Frimpong a chance as a winger on his pace alone as opposed to Salah as an inside forward doing feck all.
 
kerlon10 said:
Salah is done. The reliance on him has shown us big time. Its all good and well staying up the pitch and not tracking back if your scoring/contributing at the other end and hes not doing that. Hes a passenger.

Id sooner give Frimpong a chance as a winger on his pace alone as opposed to Salah as an inside forward doing feck all.
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A selfish passenger.
At 0-1, instead of passing the ball to Wirtz for a guaranteed goal. He decides to anger the spirit of Mané again.
 
If Slot is set on persisting with Salah, he has to use the other games to find other solutions. Gomez has to play in Europe too, he needs games and we can't afford to be running Virg and Ibou into the ground. We need a response in Europe to stop the rot, but he has to then reward good performances with starts in the next game at the expense of whoever isn't performing.
 
On that note, I would start Salah midweek. Let him live or die by that game, if he fails again he can have no arguments about being dropped at the weekend.
 
PrettyBoy said:
did this guy just say start frimpong instead of salah? surely that deserves a ban?

frimpong! oh my thats the worst take i seen

frimpong is a poor mans shaun wright phillips
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Go look at what Frimpong did in the final minutes. Beat a man and stuck the ball on an attackers head.

He’s matched Salah’s successful take ons for the season.
 
mark1975 said:
On that note, I would start Salah midweek. Let him live or die by that game, if he fails again he can have no arguments about being dropped at the weekend.
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You're more charitable than me

He put in an all timer fucking shite performance, after months of poor performances. He should have been dropped weeks ago.

His position isn't under threat and he's playing like it's not under threat.
 
PrettyBoy said:
You know what

As annoyed as I am, what can slot do? he was bold and went all out which I rate

Respectfully Salah needs to be dropped, but dont even know who can play there?

Kerkez is just a very bad player who offers nothing

We will come good, I can see it, I think we might go on an 8 win streak from now
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Kerkez was Bournemouth's PotY last season and in the PL team of the season. He is not a 'very bad player'. Far from it.
 
Talking to a good friend of mine about this team, he has a newborn so hasn't been paying much attention.

I asked him what he made of this shit, and he just said "the team is too dutch, it needs some lunatics."
 
I've only watched highlights as fortunately I had a much better engagement in the diary.

A few thoughts

- Looked like we created enough chances to win this comfortably, but our attackers missed at least 3 or 4 glorious opportunities (3 for Gakpo - excluding one of his post rattlers as that was a bit lucky), 1 for Mo, 1 for Isak).
- For another game in a row, we threw the kitchen sink at the end and it cost us. But doing this in the first few games of the season is how we lucked some victories
- Our summer signings couldn't look more confusing - Wirtz benched again, Isak STILL "rusty", Ekitike (our in form attacker) benched, Frimpong only trusted as a RW not a RB.
- We appear to still have no clear plan, system or tactics. This will continue to get worse before it gets better. We are actually lucky to still be where we are in the table as those lucky last minute goals at the start of the season gave us points we didn't deserve on the balance of play

Finally - I read Slot was on holiday during the international break. Total pisstake. He should be working night & day fixing this, but he was on a family holiday.
 
It was a very inept performance by a mediocre grade manager in Solt and his team, he has fallen into the highly tactical trap by M. United's manager, who has smarted out the naive Slot's tactics who was totally shocked by the failure of his King Salah and under performing VVD who was at fault in both goals. As for the king Salah who has given zero efforts, and zero outcome! Who should have been dropped. But no the gutsless Slot won't be able to do that. The only best players were Bradley, surprising Gakpo, and Chiesa, the rest were shit along with Slot!
More defeats will be more often, the problem with the leaky defense and midfield were quite evidenced in pre-season, but the clever Slot has failed to rectify it until now. He is a double of the nutcase Klopp!!! Slot has never won league titles in Dutch football back to back!! , nor he will do it here! Just look at his the players he has bought, Wirtz lightweight Salah double, Ekitike utter useless, Slot should have gone for Palace CF instead! A proper manager will drop the shit Salah cash in on him in January, the Saudi will love him! Select and replace him with Frimpong, put Chiesa, and Jones from the start, and must by two CFs in January, otherwise LFC will end up in mid-table by the end of the season. Slot replacement should be on the board of directors tables for discussion. Yesterday's show was totally disgraceful for LFC.
 
I am slowly getting on board the "what is he actually try to make us do" train with Slot. But for this particular game, we created enough to win it but the players missed those chances.

Our defence is laughable at the moment, we get carved open time & time again.
 
Its really worrying that we aren't benching our off form players, that we aren't playing to our players strengths, that there's no discernable system of attack, and that there's no improvement match after match after match.

Don't get me started on Salah.

Despite all this, we "win" XG every pissing week, but pur forwards are so out of form. The ones on the pitch anyway...
 
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