Post Match EPL Man U (H) 1-2 Sunday 4:30pm Oct 19th
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He had to pray that Gakpo missed that header
We hit the post 3 times. Salah, Cody and Isak missed sitters. The goalie didnt gave to do much because we created good chances and our players couldn't even hit the target.
No, but playing Chiesa more will expose his flaws more. He has made some nice contributions when we are throwing the kitchen sink to win games. But it is a whole new ballgame when a player starts. Chiesa's touch, balance, and decision-making are top-notch. But there are still doubts if he can perform at that level for a full 90 minutes in the PL.
Of course, when Salah is stinking the place out, Slot should atleast give Chiesa a chance at the 50-minute mark or so.
He played 90 mins against Southampton and was MOM. A game where other established first team players were shit.
Unfortunately, that's all we have to go by because Slot has decided to act like a prick.
I agree Slot should have managed Chiesa's minutes better. I don't think he is the answer in a high-intensity PL game for 90 minutes.
Not even convinced we needed another winger. The priorities were the spine. Remove any of the key 5 players who played CB and CM last season (VVD, Ibu, Macca, Gravy, Szobo) and the drop off is too big. This means we don't rotate enough, and they get run into the ground.
Slot is complaining that teams "play differently against us" - but we could easily be setting up the same as we did last season and just utilise the upgrades we have in personnel either at full back, or up front, to make a difference.
It is all just too confusing at the moment - not a single person can explain how Slot is trying to get this team to play
So what is the answer then?
I hate to sound obtuse, but we're talking about a Euro winner who played for top teams in Italy.
Keep giving him 10-15 min cameos?
Don't know. I have never claimed to have the answers or deep insight into our tactics. A better distribution of minutes between Salah, Frimpong, and Chiesa.
Yeah I feel like there is a weird narrative around Chiesa. He was a top top player pre injury - he hasn't stopped working hard to get fit and when he is on the pitch he makes things happen. He was scapegoated after we lost to Plymouth - a game that Diaz, Jota, Endo, Elliot, Gomez all played in too.
Quite simply is a well proven top player, who is in-form and we are leaving to join us late on in games when they are arguably beyond saving.
Stats wise, our two most in-form players are Chiesa & Ekitike.
"Eye wise" I think Wirtz, Jones & Szobo are the most in-form.
Look at those 5 players. 4 started on the bench, and another was chucked to RB (and ultimately made a terrible decision from a throw in - something he shouldn't be taking).
Quite simply is a well proven top player, who is in-form and we are leaving to join us late on in games when they are arguably beyond saving.
Stats wise, our two most in-form players are Chiesa & Ekitike.
"Eye wise" I think Wirtz, Jones & Szobo are the most in-form.
Look at those 5 players. 4 started on the bench, and another was chucked to RB (and ultimately made a terrible decision from a throw in - something he shouldn't be taking).
*nods
*cries
We got rid of Nunez, Diaz, and, unfortunately, lost Jota. We needed to start finding a replacement for Salah's impact. One thing Klopp understood more than any other manager we had was that great attackers can compensate for the deficiencies of a functional midfield. One of the reasons we won the league last year was that we had options on the bench who made an impact when they came on - Nunez against Brentford, for example.
I don't think the problem is that we focused too much on attackers. The problem is that our attackers have not gelled yet. If Wirtz, Isak, and Ekitike live up to their promise, we will compete for the PL.
Agreed but in the same measurements Hugo should've passed two of the shots he had, players were free in the box.
This did my head in so often yesterday. Absolutely no one coming close to offer options or link the play. All just ready to dart in behind for a ball that was never coming.
Which is ironic given how much the baldy fraudy is complaining about long balls in his press conferences
He pissed me off with his post match comments.
Was saying it back then and still saying it now that we should have sold Salah two seasons ago... Noticed that he was shot then and alot of you are begin to realise it now
If we sold Salah 2 seasons ago we wouldn't have won #20.
I think we should have cashed in this past summer. But my problem isn't Salah in the team, it is that he is on an untouchable pedestal at a point in his career where his work rate is significantly down and he is a lot more predictable.
Nah we should have had his contracted sorted before last season and sold him this summer.
Why wouldn’t we have done it? His replacement could’ve added goals and assists whilst contributing to other areas of our game. Who knows.
We also couldn’t cash in last summer as it would’ve been a free. No way he would have signed that deal and left 2 months later.
That was bizarre. I'm sure even at one point Van Dijk had the ball & we had all 6 midfielders & attackers lined up across their back 5.
This sort of stuff makes me think Slot hasn't a clue.
Maybe we would have won it inspite of him
Haven't read much of the thread, so forgive if I simply regurgitate what others have said already, and probably better... I just need to vent my spleen - My thoughts, in no particular order:
Macca MUST be dropped. Salah MUST be dropped. There is simply no reason to start them anymore, until they both remember how to play football. They're both costing us at this point.
VVD was at his pouting, childish worst yesterday... Can't stand when he does that. Thank Jurgen Ibou was sharp for the most part, 'cos the skipper was a liability yesterday.
I can't imagine how frustrated Kirkez must be, when Gakpo NEVER passes him the ball on the overlap... It's driving me fucking insane. Gakpo's refusal to do (almost) anything except cut inside and shoot (almost always terribly) is basically removing one third of the pitch as an attacking option for us.
If Gakpo continues to start, I'd actually move him to the right and tell him '"Well, if you never going to fucking pass it, at least you're now on your right foot for a half decent cross - Go a beat your player down this side." Then I'd start Hogo out left and Isak up front. Might sound stupid, but it couldn't be any worse than this shite we're currently sitting through.
Alternatively, just drop Gakpo until he learns to bring Kirkez into the game. And score from 6 feet out.
Our defense is a joke. Unfortunately, we signed two talented wingbacks over the summer, not two good defenders... Every team with pacy attackers can slice through us. And that's not gonna change anytime soon.
He wasn't playing, so it doesn't matter, but Ali absolutely saves that opener... Can't shake that it was actually pretty poor from Marmaduke there - It went right through him. Also, same disclaimer, but Hugo absolutely scores that sitter that Isak missed.
Also, I didn't walk away from the game feeling cheated, but don't know why Macca's head injury right in from of the ref didn't stop the play, or why we didn't get a penalty for that handball in the first half...
As shite as we were, we should have won comfortably (on the scoreboard, at least). Mo, Isak and Gakpo... WTAbsoluteF, lads? That header. Just let it hit you in the fucking nose, son...
And, finally, and most importantly... Slot is starting to worry me, for all the reasons you've all probably pointed out long before I got here. He MUST change up his list of undroppables, and he MUST start showing us exactly what he's trying to shape this team to do, 'coz right now, I haven't got a fucking clue.
Macca MUST be dropped. Salah MUST be dropped. There is simply no reason to start them anymore, until they both remember how to play football. They're both costing us at this point.
VVD was at his pouting, childish worst yesterday... Can't stand when he does that. Thank Jurgen Ibou was sharp for the most part, 'cos the skipper was a liability yesterday.
I can't imagine how frustrated Kirkez must be, when Gakpo NEVER passes him the ball on the overlap... It's driving me fucking insane. Gakpo's refusal to do (almost) anything except cut inside and shoot (almost always terribly) is basically removing one third of the pitch as an attacking option for us.
If Gakpo continues to start, I'd actually move him to the right and tell him '"Well, if you never going to fucking pass it, at least you're now on your right foot for a half decent cross - Go a beat your player down this side." Then I'd start Hogo out left and Isak up front. Might sound stupid, but it couldn't be any worse than this shite we're currently sitting through.
Alternatively, just drop Gakpo until he learns to bring Kirkez into the game. And score from 6 feet out.
Our defense is a joke. Unfortunately, we signed two talented wingbacks over the summer, not two good defenders... Every team with pacy attackers can slice through us. And that's not gonna change anytime soon.
He wasn't playing, so it doesn't matter, but Ali absolutely saves that opener... Can't shake that it was actually pretty poor from Marmaduke there - It went right through him. Also, same disclaimer, but Hugo absolutely scores that sitter that Isak missed.
Also, I didn't walk away from the game feeling cheated, but don't know why Macca's head injury right in from of the ref didn't stop the play, or why we didn't get a penalty for that handball in the first half...
As shite as we were, we should have won comfortably (on the scoreboard, at least). Mo, Isak and Gakpo... WTAbsoluteF, lads? That header. Just let it hit you in the fucking nose, son...
And, finally, and most importantly... Slot is starting to worry me, for all the reasons you've all probably pointed out long before I got here. He MUST change up his list of undroppables, and he MUST start showing us exactly what he's trying to shape this team to do, 'coz right now, I haven't got a fucking clue.
I think we needed a winger because our backup options are a child, an injury prone player, and a full back.
If the plan was never to play Ekitike wide then it's absolutely fucked us over.
I could vaguely rationalise not getting a CB. I could rationalise not getting another DM. A winger I never understood. We lost 5 forwards (Nunez Diaz Jota Elliott doak) and brought in 3 (Isak, Ekitike, wirtz). We lost all depth on the wing and brought in 2 9s.
Slot can think all he likes that teams play differently against us, but I've seen low block after low block against arsenal, and I've seen fuck all conceded. We're conceding for fun.
Slots fucked it. Or rather, maybe the spreadsheet squad have put him in the situation to fuck himself
But he wasn't shot last season, he was one of the main factors in winning the league.
They wanted to sit back and we let them. Our attackers went man to man with their back 5 and poor Kerkez and Bradley had to run 60-70 yards for overlaps that were never going to happen time and time again. There were a few times when our attack were lined up with their 18yd line with their backs to goal making it easy.
Our defensive line needed an outlet, players between the lines to receive the ball and draw defenders out of positions to create space. Instead, their defence could stand still for most of the first half.
Arne bemoaned their long ball tactics but all they did was pass to their press which was beyond our midfield for a lot of the game, we could've done the same. It took Gravy to drop deep before we could get through it. Brentford did similar to us a few years ago, left 3 players near the half way line and skipped our press out with a 40yd pass.
Konate, decent but he's got a 50p head, you just never know where the ball is going.
Van dijk, probably his worst game for us.
Kerkez, tried hard, got let down in defence and attack.
Bradley, kept Mount quiet.
Alex Mac, should have come off in the 1st minute.
Gravy, better when he dropped deep.
Dom, our best player, again better when he dropped to right back/inverted DM
Gakpo, did his best to miss a tap in, had plenty of space and should have been more dangerous.
Isak, this football doesn't suit him.
Salah, should have passed.
Subs all made a difference, mention for Chiesa's assist and tracking back.
Our defensive line needed an outlet, players between the lines to receive the ball and draw defenders out of positions to create space. Instead, their defence could stand still for most of the first half.
Arne bemoaned their long ball tactics but all they did was pass to their press which was beyond our midfield for a lot of the game, we could've done the same. It took Gravy to drop deep before we could get through it. Brentford did similar to us a few years ago, left 3 players near the half way line and skipped our press out with a 40yd pass.
Konate, decent but he's got a 50p head, you just never know where the ball is going.
Van dijk, probably his worst game for us.
Kerkez, tried hard, got let down in defence and attack.
Bradley, kept Mount quiet.
Alex Mac, should have come off in the 1st minute.
Gravy, better when he dropped deep.
Dom, our best player, again better when he dropped to right back/inverted DM
Gakpo, did his best to miss a tap in, had plenty of space and should have been more dangerous.
Isak, this football doesn't suit him.
Salah, should have passed.
Subs all made a difference, mention for Chiesa's assist and tracking back.
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