He's got a great touch and a good eye for a pass. He just needs to trust himself a bit more. And he seemed quite ballsy today. Let's hope it's the start of something new.
Henderson
- Thread starter Rosco
- Start date
- Latest activity Latest activity:
- Status
S
Squiggles
Guest
Glad to see he's played well today.
Missed the match today 'cause of Rugby. I haven't seen us play 90 minute in 4 weeks. Where's best to download them from?
Missed the match today 'cause of Rugby. I haven't seen us play 90 minute in 4 weeks. Where's best to download them from?
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=47182.msg1412461#msg1412461 date=1318688677]
I still don't see it . Hope i'm wrong like but bar one goal it says alot that one decent shot and one decent header are the most he's produced . For £16m i'd expect more . I don't think he has the balls or drive to ever be a consistent top player .
[/quote]
I hear your concerns but look at like this - how many players can take a shot like that on and force a great save out of the keeper?
Not that many. And what's more is we know it wasn't a fluke.
At this point I'm not quite sure what we spent 16M quid on because there hasn't been a whole lot to go on but there are some signs of encouragement at least.
I still don't see it . Hope i'm wrong like but bar one goal it says alot that one decent shot and one decent header are the most he's produced . For £16m i'd expect more . I don't think he has the balls or drive to ever be a consistent top player .
[/quote]
I hear your concerns but look at like this - how many players can take a shot like that on and force a great save out of the keeper?
Not that many. And what's more is we know it wasn't a fluke.
At this point I'm not quite sure what we spent 16M quid on because there hasn't been a whole lot to go on but there are some signs of encouragement at least.
i reckon he's gonna be a brilliant player.
I watched this video on LFC.tv and it gave me a bit of insight into Henderson. He's a competitive guy and he seems like a nice lad too.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/video/features/9889-melwood-skills-challenge
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/video/features/9889-melwood-skills-challenge
I didn't know that Andy was such a shy person.
He wouldn't even get involved on camera.
He wouldn't even get involved on camera.
R
RedZeppelin
Guest
banter ? laughs ? they were boring as fuck !
So some people think Lucas 'wasn't bad' yesterday.
Hahahaha. That is a fucking ridiculous statement. He was shockingly bad, he must have lost the ball at least half the time he touched it & made the usual mistimed pointless tackles.
It's no coincidence that we outplayed them in second half after Lucas went off.
Hahahaha. That is a fucking ridiculous statement. He was shockingly bad, he must have lost the ball at least half the time he touched it & made the usual mistimed pointless tackles.
It's no coincidence that we outplayed them in second half after Lucas went off.
I'd say we generally outplayed them in the 1st as well
Re: Re: Henderson
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=47182.msg1412849#msg1412849 date=1318780854]
I'd say we generally outplayed them in the 1st as well
[/quote]
Quite
I saw some stats at half time and it said Lucas had the 3rd worst pass percentage on our team
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=47182.msg1412849#msg1412849 date=1318780854]
I'd say we generally outplayed them in the 1st as well
[/quote]
Quite
I saw some stats at half time and it said Lucas had the 3rd worst pass percentage on our team
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47182.msg1412807#msg1412807 date=1318772155]
So some people think Lucas 'wasn't bad' yesterday.
Hahahaha. That is a fucking ridiculous statement. He was shockingly bad, he must have lost the ball at least half the time he touched it & made the usual mistimed pointless tackles.
It's no coincidence that we outplayed them in second half after Lucas went off.
[/quote]
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
So some people think Lucas 'wasn't bad' yesterday.
Hahahaha. That is a fucking ridiculous statement. He was shockingly bad, he must have lost the ball at least half the time he touched it & made the usual mistimed pointless tackles.
It's no coincidence that we outplayed them in second half after Lucas went off.
[/quote]
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47182.msg1412917#msg1412917 date=1318792637]
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
[/quote]
Bollocks would I treat him differently if he was Scouse. One of the only things me & Krump differed on during the game was he thought Spearing should have come on & I didn't cos their midfield was set up for height & strength so we'd be non-existent in the air.
Your comment about Henderson swapping for Lucas is amazing, everyone is saying that. Henderson effectively swapped for Stevie, & Stevie swapped for Lucas, as he played DM (or as close to it as he can).
I didn't say he cant have a bad game, but he did have one, he was fucking shocking & deserved to go off, but apparently cos he was good against them last time he should be allowed to be fucking awful & we cant say anything about it?
I do accept he's well better than when he first came, but this season he hasn't been, his touch is poor, his passing is appalling & his tackling a liability. Adam's tackling is about the same level, but he offers so much more going forwards it makes up for it.
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
[/quote]
Bollocks would I treat him differently if he was Scouse. One of the only things me & Krump differed on during the game was he thought Spearing should have come on & I didn't cos their midfield was set up for height & strength so we'd be non-existent in the air.
Your comment about Henderson swapping for Lucas is amazing, everyone is saying that. Henderson effectively swapped for Stevie, & Stevie swapped for Lucas, as he played DM (or as close to it as he can).
I didn't say he cant have a bad game, but he did have one, he was fucking shocking & deserved to go off, but apparently cos he was good against them last time he should be allowed to be fucking awful & we cant say anything about it?
I do accept he's well better than when he first came, but this season he hasn't been, his touch is poor, his passing is appalling & his tackling a liability. Adam's tackling is about the same level, but he offers so much more going forwards it makes up for it.
Lucas only got back to Melwood Friday morning.
He has been consistently okay at worst this season and at times good to very good.
If he wasn't ready to play yesterday then he shouldn't have started but it may have been the reason why he was so poor.
He has been consistently okay at worst this season and at times good to very good.
If he wasn't ready to play yesterday then he shouldn't have started but it may have been the reason why he was so poor.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=47182.msg1412941#msg1412941 date=1318796786]
Henderson in a central role is going to become a monster for us.
Defo got a big future.
He should start in the middle of the park with Adam and Gerrard for the rest of the season. Simple as that.
[/quote]
i'm unconvinced with that formation for long spells. He got 20 odd min there where it seemed to do well. Gerrard was quite immobile in his role as DM, Adams fitness is continually questioned and henderson is a gamble to play there continually.
Hendo can be great, but to bin off our DM is a risky move. We'll see how it works out v norwich.
If he plays that midfield
Henderson in a central role is going to become a monster for us.
Defo got a big future.
He should start in the middle of the park with Adam and Gerrard for the rest of the season. Simple as that.
[/quote]
i'm unconvinced with that formation for long spells. He got 20 odd min there where it seemed to do well. Gerrard was quite immobile in his role as DM, Adams fitness is continually questioned and henderson is a gamble to play there continually.
Hendo can be great, but to bin off our DM is a risky move. We'll see how it works out v norwich.
If he plays that midfield
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=47182.msg1412934#msg1412934 date=1318795961]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47182.msg1412917#msg1412917 date=1318792637]
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
[/quote]
Bollocks would I treat him differently if he was Scouse. One of the only things me & Krump differed on during the game was he thought Spearing should have come on & I didn't cos their midfield was set up for height & strength so we'd be non-existent in the air.
Your comment about Henderson swapping for Lucas is amazing, everyone is saying that. Henderson effectively swapped for Stevie, & Stevie swapped for Lucas, as he played DM (or as close to it as he can).
I didn't say he cant have a bad game, but he did have one, he was fucking shocking & deserved to go off, but apparently cos he was good against them last time he should be allowed to be fucking awful & we cant say anything about it?
I do accept he's well better than when he first came, but this season he hasn't been, his touch is poor, his passing is appalling & his tackling a liability. Adam's tackling is about the same level, but he offers so much more going forwards it makes up for it.
[/quote]
You said it's no coincidence that we dominated possession when Lucas went off, and Henderson came on and i merely pointed to the fact that in the same fixture last season we dominated the entire match with Lucas in the team.
Did i say because he was good against them last season he's allowed to be awful? He had a bad game, i'm not denying that but it happens and it shouldn't overshadow the vast majority of his impressive performances in the last 18 months or so.
I'll have to disagree with on your view that his touch has been poor, his passing is appalling and tackling is a liability. I think that's bullshit but each to their own.
A little stat from twitter: LucasLeiva87 has been anchoring the #LFC midfield this season and has won 96% of tackles he has attempted so far.
I honestly believe that if Lucas was Scouse, and not Brazilian, he'd get more leeway by Liverpool fans. That's just my opinion. One bad performance out of say 20 and the knives are out.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47182.msg1412917#msg1412917 date=1318792637]
Is he not allowed a bad game every so often?
Hasn't he been consistently good for about 18 months? Why not recognise this?
So you're saying just because an attacking midfielder in Henderson came on and played well last 25 when the game was wide fucking open, he should be starting ahead of Lucas? Utter madness.
Didn't Lucas play against United at Anfield last season when we dominated them even more than yesterday or is that totally forgotten about?
Lets be honest here, if Lucas was Scouse he would be treated completely differently. People can't seem to accept he's improved massively from his first season with us when he was a 20 year old kid from Brazil adapting to a new Country, Culture, Brand of Football etc.
Fucking pisses me off no end.
[/quote]
Bollocks would I treat him differently if he was Scouse. One of the only things me & Krump differed on during the game was he thought Spearing should have come on & I didn't cos their midfield was set up for height & strength so we'd be non-existent in the air.
Your comment about Henderson swapping for Lucas is amazing, everyone is saying that. Henderson effectively swapped for Stevie, & Stevie swapped for Lucas, as he played DM (or as close to it as he can).
I didn't say he cant have a bad game, but he did have one, he was fucking shocking & deserved to go off, but apparently cos he was good against them last time he should be allowed to be fucking awful & we cant say anything about it?
I do accept he's well better than when he first came, but this season he hasn't been, his touch is poor, his passing is appalling & his tackling a liability. Adam's tackling is about the same level, but he offers so much more going forwards it makes up for it.
[/quote]
You said it's no coincidence that we dominated possession when Lucas went off, and Henderson came on and i merely pointed to the fact that in the same fixture last season we dominated the entire match with Lucas in the team.
Did i say because he was good against them last season he's allowed to be awful? He had a bad game, i'm not denying that but it happens and it shouldn't overshadow the vast majority of his impressive performances in the last 18 months or so.
I'll have to disagree with on your view that his touch has been poor, his passing is appalling and tackling is a liability. I think that's bullshit but each to their own.
A little stat from twitter: LucasLeiva87 has been anchoring the #LFC midfield this season and has won 96% of tackles he has attempted so far.
I honestly believe that if Lucas was Scouse, and not Brazilian, he'd get more leeway by Liverpool fans. That's just my opinion. One bad performance out of say 20 and the knives are out.
Henderson will be great.
I haven't him do very much at all but its clear he should be played in CM or not at all.
He should have gotten that header on target.
He also reminded me of Alonso in the no 14 shirt. Perhaps because he looked slow in the middle.
He should have gotten that header on target.
He also reminded me of Alonso in the no 14 shirt. Perhaps because he looked slow in the middle.
Again...how is Henderson slow? Am i watching a different player?
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=47182.msg1413064#msg1413064 date=1318818145]
Again...how is Henderson slow? Am i watching a different player?
[/quote]
Maybe it's just the lack of intensity he shows when chasing the ball down compared with Kuyt, Lucas, Downing and anyone else in the middle.
He looked very sluggish from that point of view anytime I've watched him.
Again...how is Henderson slow? Am i watching a different player?
[/quote]
Maybe it's just the lack of intensity he shows when chasing the ball down compared with Kuyt, Lucas, Downing and anyone else in the middle.
He looked very sluggish from that point of view anytime I've watched him.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=47182.msg1413068#msg1413068 date=1318825225]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=47182.msg1413064#msg1413064 date=1318818145]
Again...how is Henderson slow? Am i watching a different player?
[/quote]
Maybe it's just the lack of intensity he shows when chasing the ball down compared with Kuyt, Lucas, Downing and anyone else in the middle.
He looked very sluggish from that point of view anytime I've watched him.
[/quote]
I put that down to him not being 100% fit. I don't think he's injured or anything, just that his fitness levels aren't all that.
The Arsenal match was a great example. He could barely move in the last hour.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=47182.msg1413064#msg1413064 date=1318818145]
Again...how is Henderson slow? Am i watching a different player?
[/quote]
Maybe it's just the lack of intensity he shows when chasing the ball down compared with Kuyt, Lucas, Downing and anyone else in the middle.
He looked very sluggish from that point of view anytime I've watched him.
[/quote]
I put that down to him not being 100% fit. I don't think he's injured or anything, just that his fitness levels aren't all that.
The Arsenal match was a great example. He could barely move in the last hour.
if gerrard, henderson and adam can effectively shield the defense then I'd like to see lucas dropped because he just isn't going to give anything going forwards, admitedly it's not his 'job' but we are scoring so few goals we need as many goal threats on the pitch as possible.
- Status
Similar threads
