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Liverpool sack Rafa Benitez

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So rebel, what you're saying is basically:

1) Rafa's going Inter.
2) We're going to appoint a yes man.
3) We're going to sell our best players.
4) We're going to be stuck in this downward spiral that we might never recover from.
 
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two things that make it likely ;

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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But if Benitez was fired cos he would have blown the lid on there plan, then surely a fired Benitez would do the same.

Think you may have over thought that one.
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I am sure a snake like Purslow will have lawyers to make sure the severance 'deal' ensures he cannot talk about it and by then he will be in another top job concentrating on that so why would he? I am sure we will still get his side though, through trusted sources at some point


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So it's fine to dabble in your own hypothetical scenario's about a decision to get rid of Rafa so the masterplan (asset stripping) can take place yet you won't for a moment consider player power and reluctance to work with Rafa might also be a factor in this.
 
Where are they getting it from? Moratti probably, there is more to this than meets the eye

dont believe anything from LFC as Purslow is a spinning little snake
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the league and no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute and total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=40455.msg1112199#msg1112199 date=1275563875]
So rebel, what you're saying is basically:

1) Rafa's going Inter.
2) We're going to appoint a yes man.
3) We're going to sell our best players.
4) We're going to be stuck in this downward spiral that we might never recover from.
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Yes he is, it's the same shite from last night-rehashed

regards
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112205#msg1112205 date=1275563997]
Where are they getting it from? Moratti probably, there is more to this than meets the eye

dont believe anything from LFC as Purslow is a spinning little snake


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Come on now, you're winding us up with this jargon of yours, aren't you ?

Aren't you ?
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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But if Benitez was fired cos he would have blown the lid on there plan, then surely a fired Benitez would do the same.

Think you may have over thought that one.
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I am sure a snake like Purslow will have lawyers to make sure the severance 'deal' ensures he cannot talk about it and by then he will be in another top job concentrating on that so why would he? I am sure we will still get his side though, through trusted sources at some point


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So it's fine to dabble in your own hypothetical scenario's about a decision to get rid of Rafa so the masterplan (asset stripping) can take place yet you won't for a moment consider player power and reluctance to work with Rafa might also be a factor in this.
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Purslow is a spinning like snake, what we see is him briefing journalists and saying the players made him do it. I don't believe it for one second as it is out of character for someone like Carragher or Gerrard to run to the board and demand the sacking of the manager. I suspect those who can will want to leave and will not show loyalty to a lying, spinning, backstabbing board
 
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Sorry Single but this is where we differ.

So he should be "pragmatic", and recognise that 3M's loads of money anyway?

FUCK. THAT.

"Hey Rafa, you know that 16M we owe you. Would 3M do instead?"

I know what I'd said to that anyway.
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I'm not saying he should just write off £13M, I'm saying he should recognise the situation for what it is, take £3M now and the rest later
 
I haven't read a single post by Rebel in this thread, or any of the other posts that are people just bitching at each other.

Fair enough people pick at each other when there's nothing else going on, but we've got pretty big news right about now.
 
rebel, is something actually wrong with you? Is it not just possible that the players are not happy with Benitez, that the board are not happy with finishing 7th and having his constant moaning and excuses and have decided we need a change?

You know quite often the most logical explanation is also the correct one
 
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I haven't read a single post by Rebel in this thread, or any of the other posts that are people just bitching at each other.

Fair enough people pick at each other when there's nothing else going on, but we've got pretty big news right about now.
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Whereas this contribution......

Easy to be pious eh?
 
I am very far from convinced that this is the correct action to take. We now have an even bigger problem.

Mascherao will now almost certainly leave.

Who are we going to hire that convinces Gerrard & Torres that, under the current ownership, we can progress?
 
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rebel, is something actually wrong with you? Is it not just possible that the players are not happy with Benitez, that the board are not happy with finishing 7th and having his constant moaning and excuses and have decided we need a change?

You know quite often the most logical explanation is also the correct one
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I do think some people have got themselves locked into consipracy theory mode - the problem with arguing against them is that they can simply repeat the mantra that youve been sucked into the lies being told by "the man".

In this case "the man" is obviously Purslow, the chairman, the exec board, G&H, Dalglish, Morratti, several city of London institutions, and Steven Gerrard.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40455.msg1112219#msg1112219 date=1275564595]
rebel, is something actually wrong with you? Is it not just possible that the players are not happy with Benitez, that the board are not happy with finishing 7th and having his constant moaning and excuses and have decided we need a change?

You know quite often the most logical explanation is also the correct one
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it would be out of character for the players to even offer an opinion on this, they dont even know their own future so even if Gerrard said "Hey Purslow, I think you should sack Benitez" which I highly doubt, will he then show loyalty to Purslow when Madrid come in with a big offer? No, it's unlikely so it's fucking stupid for them to even have an opinion or put their necks on the line, it's something they WOULD NOT do as professionals and I expect some of them will be very, very upset with Purslow's spinning that their power forced out Benitez, despite the fact that they might fancy leaving anyway
 
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Sometimes I wonder if people like rebel actually make me dislike Benitez more
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He confirms my faith in wanting Benitez out the door.

It's a bit like Fox voting Tory.

(Sorry)
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
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This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
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This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



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Ex-fucking-actly.

One moment people are (correctly) accusing them of being money grabbing bastards, the next moment of being Morratti loving fiends hell-bent on destoying the club at all costs.... its all a little puzzling.
 
Inter reveal Benitez interest

Inter Milan have expressed admiration for Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez, strengthening reports linking him with the vacant Serie A post.

It is understood Benitez, who endured a massively disappointing campaign with the Reds last season, is poised to depart Anfield once the two parties have agreed on a severance package.

And Inter, who are without a manager following the exit of Jose Mourinho to Real Madrid, have indicated their interest in the Spaniard.

The question of who will fill the vacant Inter position has come under speculation of late, particularly since England boss Fabio Capello dismissed links with the Italian club.

But Benitez holds extra appeal for the Giuseppe Meazza outfit after guiding the Reds to victory over Inter's fierce rivals AC Milan in the 2005 UEFA Champions League final in Istanbul.

"We really like Rafa Benitez and he is in our favour since the Champions League final in Istanbul," Inter director Gabriele Oriali told Corriere dello Sport.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11860_6188937,00.html




He is on his way to Inter...
 
Rafa exit not a consequence of player power

Now it has become clear that the club no longer want Rafa Benitez at Anfield, there are a couple of issues that need clearing up...

Rafa decided last week to move the situation forward when he told me – for an article published in The Daily Mirror – that he wanted to stay. He put forward his reasons for lowering expectations and defended his good record at the club. However, the warning was there; that he would stay, “if he`s allowedâ€. He hasn`t been allowed, and the club feels the situation has stagnated.

Rafa told me he would love to stay but there were many obstacles. I have the impression that he had a clear idea that not everybody at the club backed him and many were happy to leave him out there in the firing line to take the blame for a disappointing and frustrating season – instead of them admitting that the team`s results were the consequence of a club that had the financial resources to enter the race in a family hatchback - but wanted the results of a Ferrari - But Rafa was NOT talking about the players at the club.

So, is player power behind all of this, as many are reporting? I think it is more a case of club power: people within the club hierarchy have decided there is no point in keeping the manager and he is the easy option to take the blame.

The reports of a complete breakdown in his relationship with key players are false. For example, Rafa called Steven Gerrard on the player`s birthday last Sunday and the pair chatted for 20 minutes.

If Gerrard is seriously thinking about a move it is not because of Rafa, but because there have been so many promises unfulfilled by the people running the club and the Liverpool captain may feel that he must go elsewhere in order to compete for titles. For an elite player, like Gerrard, titles define a career and he has given most of his professional life to Liverpool – understandably he is thinking about a move because the club is not moving in the right direction.

Gerrard has four offers from English clubs and there have been conversations with Real Madrid. Mourinho would love to work with either Lampard or Gerrard and if Mourinho convinces the Real Madrid president to fund a move, then an offer will be made for one of them. Gerrard has not conspired against Rafa even though it is quite likely that the long relationship between them had become professional. I have said before that, in my opinion, the intensive methods of Rafa, means that his squads need to be recycled regularly - every 2-3 years - for their full potential to be realised.

But reports of the distance between Rafa and his players have been grossly exaggerated – granted, he is not their best friend either, but that was not the ultimate reason for his departure. When Ryan Babel suffered an injury scare last week that threatened his place in the Dutch World Cup squad, Rafa was on the phone to him immediately to give him support.

It is true that certain players who do not feature regularly for the first team are not all entirely happy – but that is normal under any manager at any club – and it requires a huge leap of imagination to say that unhappiness brings conspiracies against the manager. The impression I am getting from key players is that they hate the idea of people thinking it was a player power versus Benitez – rather a frustration at a 7th placed finish and 4 years without a trophy and the growing sense that unless there are changes – at all levels – little will change.

My own view is that, in hindsight, if Benitez had focused all of his resources on winning the Premier League instead of trying to challenge for the cup competitions as well, maybe his story at Liverpool would have been different: delivering a league title at Anfield given the circumstances and resources of the club at the moment would have given him a huge amount of credit with the club, fans and media.

However, as he admitted to me in his last interview as Liverpool manager, during his six years at Liverpool, Manchester have United averaged 83 points a season, Chelsea 77.8 and Arsenal 77 - and in two of those seasons Liverpool have broken their all time record points tally - 82 points in 2006 and 86 in 2009. Yet even that appears to have not been enough.

So what`s next?

Reaching a severance agreement will not be easy. Rafa will remain in holiday in Sardinia while the lawyers do the talking - and the £3 million being offered might not be enough…

Benitez` best option was Juventus: he did consider it, but was never entirely convinced because he felt there was a chance to stay and finish the job at Anfield. Inter Milan is the most likely option, but taking on the job of managing a club with an ageing squad that has just won everything is not a challenge many would relish.

http://www.guillembalague.com/blog_desp.php?titulo=Rafa%20exit%20not%20a%20consequence%20of%20player%20power&id=455
 
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I haven't read a single post by Rebel in this thread, or any of the other posts that are people just bitching at each other.

Fair enough people pick at each other when there's nothing else going on, but we've got pretty big news right about now.
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Whereas this contribution......

Easy to be pious eh?
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Well, clearly not that easy.

Anyway Grjt, I really don't want to get into one of these exchanges. I have no problem with you, so as you were.
 
haha the chairman of BA who is running BA into the ground and is fucked just as much as LFC, losing even more than we're managing and this is someone who is highly respected and should be revered... ok .

as for selling players, they HAVE to find the money somewhere to pay back the banks, we're losing 50 million a year as Broughton runs another loss making company into the ground, so the gap has to be filled with something. Not qualifying for the CL is a blow to the board but would not have made a difference to Benitez's transfer budget as he couldnt spend it anyway
 
[quote author=jono@home link=topic=40455.msg1112230#msg1112230 date=1275565008]
Inter reveal Benitez interest

Inter Milan have expressed admiration for Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez, strengthening reports linking him with the vacant Serie A post.

It is understood Benitez, who endured a massively disappointing campaign with the Reds last season, is poised to depart Anfield once the two parties have agreed on a severance package.

And Inter, who are without a manager following the exit of Jose Mourinho to Real Madrid, have indicated their interest in the Spaniard.

The question of who will fill the vacant Inter position has come under speculation of late, particularly since England boss Fabio Capello dismissed links with the Italian club.

But Benitez holds extra appeal for the Giuseppe Meazza outfit after guiding the Reds to victory over Inter's fierce rivals AC Milan in the 2005 UEFA Champions League final in Istanbul.

"We really like Rafa Benitez and he is in our favour since the Champions League final in Istanbul," Inter director Gabriele Oriali told Corriere dello Sport.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11860_6188937,00.html




He is on his way to Inter...


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Pretty much.

The whole 'he's owed £16M' is complete bollocks. We'll pay £5-8M and he'll sign for Inter. Good move for all concerned.
 
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two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
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This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



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Yeah, they may well have a cunning plan like the current CEO of BP.

Honestly, have naive can we be.

Reaching the heights in business does not necessarily translate to infallibilty.

I think we should hope rather than expect this to work out well.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=40455.msg1112163#msg1112163 date=1275562602]
two things that make it likely ;

1) predators will circle and flash their eyes at our better players. we will then see if they are loyal to this Liverpool board as the spin from Purslow suggests or if they hand in transfer requests after a long running media saga

2) it might suit the yanks to sell the high value players who are on big contracts to cut costs and pay off the debt they have to pay under the covenants agreed with the bank and give the new guy (someone who will accept the situation and manage our decline) a fraction of that money to bring in new players and fill the void

This is why I think they're getting rid of Benitez as he would have blown the lid on their plan and they can't have that


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1) that is nothing to do with asset-stripping. Yes, after a poor finish in the leagueand no CL next year, our better players will be approached.

2) This is absolute an total nonsense. Why in gods name are they going to be interested in reducing the debt on the club by selling players? Their ONLY interest at this time is achieving the best possible price for the club - they dont give a shit about the level of debt, or about loan charges - they will not achieve this by selling the most marketable faces of the playing staff
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This is the mistake that the cult are making, they can't see that it is in the the owners interests to keep the club viable and marketable, and now they have dumped a fractious loose cannon of a manager that is more the case than it was.

Part of the problem here is that the cult all presume they know more about everything than the people running the club. Now, yes, they have made mistakes, along the way, but you don't get to be billionaire's like Hicks and Gillett by being particularly stupid, nor do you become Chairman of BA, and a much respected man in The City like Broughton by being the class dunce, nor I suspect in Christian "The Snake" Purslow's position by not eating your greens.
These people are pretty shrewd cookies most of the time and will in fact have a plan and will not have made the decision on a whim, and there will be a reason for the timing, and they will not have acted alone.


regards



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Which solely points to having Dalglish back at the helm. It's the only logical decision they can make which will make LFC look marketable.
 
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