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[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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i tend to agree, I thought he was good but not as amazing as some have said. He has improved a lot and he deserves all the credit for it. However, he is starting from such a poor base that the improvement we are seeing was probably inevitable - unfortunately for him I don't see him improving to the extent that he will take us to the next level.
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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i tend to agree, I thought he was good but not as amazing as some have said. He has improved a lot and he deserves all the credit for it. However, he is starting from such a poor base that the improvement we are seeing was probably inevitable - unfortunately for him I don't see him improving to the extent that he will take us to the next level.
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[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Don't exaggerate. He's played well of late and played well today against probably the toughest midfield in the country. Aside from two sluggish moments in the first half, he had a very good game, given we haven't got an actual DM and he's the one out three given the role. He battled well, won some good tackles and was constantly looking to bring the ball out from the back.
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Don't exaggerate. He's played well of late and played well today against probably the toughest midfield in the country. Aside from two sluggish moments in the first half, he had a very good game, given we haven't got an actual DM and he's the one out three given the role. He battled well, won some good tackles and was constantly looking to bring the ball out from the back.
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44105.msg1280407#msg1280407 date=1297029021]
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Lucas is weak and the premiership is not best suited to his style of play.If glock=ratings then Lucas=Avarage when he is at his best.
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Lucas is weak and the premiership is not best suited to his style of play.If glock=ratings then Lucas=Avarage when he is at his best.
Now that certain completely blinkered anti-Lucas posters are not around I hope he gets the appreciation he deserves
His desire in the 50/50 tackle is admirable. His passing has improved and his confidence on the ball showing all the time is superb
He deserves to be 1st team and his form will also give kenny a headache when trying to fit in the new players. You cannot say dirk or Lucas deserve to make way for anyone
His desire in the 50/50 tackle is admirable. His passing has improved and his confidence on the ball showing all the time is superb
He deserves to be 1st team and his form will also give kenny a headache when trying to fit in the new players. You cannot say dirk or Lucas deserve to make way for anyone
At least for today everyone deserves nothing but our love!
Even Lucas! ;D
Even Lucas! ;D
[quote author=Fox link=topic=44105.msg1280426#msg1280426 date=1297029379]
Now that certain completely blinkered anti-Lucas posters are not around I hope he gets the appreciation he deserves
His desire in the 50/50 tackle is admirable. His passing has improved and his confidence on the ball showing all the time is superb
He deserves to be 1st team and his form will also give kenny a headache when trying to fit in the new players. You cannot say dirk or Lucas deserve to make way for anyone
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currently I agree with you, there is no one else is the sqaud who should get ahead of Lucas, however, he is competing with Poulsen and Spearing, which with all due respect doesn't say much. We need to get better players in and if Lucas still performs well than great, however, once we go and splash big cash on a quality DM I can't see Lucas being a first XI - squad player definitely.
Now that certain completely blinkered anti-Lucas posters are not around I hope he gets the appreciation he deserves
His desire in the 50/50 tackle is admirable. His passing has improved and his confidence on the ball showing all the time is superb
He deserves to be 1st team and his form will also give kenny a headache when trying to fit in the new players. You cannot say dirk or Lucas deserve to make way for anyone
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currently I agree with you, there is no one else is the sqaud who should get ahead of Lucas, however, he is competing with Poulsen and Spearing, which with all due respect doesn't say much. We need to get better players in and if Lucas still performs well than great, however, once we go and splash big cash on a quality DM I can't see Lucas being a first XI - squad player definitely.
Fair enough, but in all honesty if we lost, i think many would be singing a different tune about Lucas.
I'm not one of these lads who jump on the bandwagon and write him off instantly at the start of every game,
Nor am i one of the lads who let his improvement (let's be honest, he was wank) affect my judgement.. he's a squaddie at best as said.
Just my opinion though
I'm not one of these lads who jump on the bandwagon and write him off instantly at the start of every game,
Nor am i one of the lads who let his improvement (let's be honest, he was wank) affect my judgement.. he's a squaddie at best as said.
Just my opinion though
He was great today. I'm not sold on him yet, though...
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[quote author=Krump link=topic=44105.msg1280407#msg1280407 date=1297029021]
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Lucas is weak and the premiership is not best suited to his style of play.If glock=ratings then Lucas=Avarage when he is at his best.
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The 2 nil game against the chavs at anfield this season was one of his best performances and it certainly wasnt average! When he plays well he can stick it out against the best of midfields as he has shown. I think he could grow as a player under kenny because his passing game is very good. He bulked up this year aswell and may continue to. He takes a lot of undeserved stick to be honest and is an easy target. Lucas for me is a work in progress which is exactly where the club is at the moment!
[quote author=Krump link=topic=44105.msg1280407#msg1280407 date=1297029021]
[quote author=5Times link=topic=44105.msg1280406#msg1280406 date=1297028938]
I may be in the minority here, but i thought he was at best average today. By no means a firsteamer, but may be a decent squaddie
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This. There aren't many worse players in the top half of this division.
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Lucas is weak and the premiership is not best suited to his style of play.If glock=ratings then Lucas=Avarage when he is at his best.
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The 2 nil game against the chavs at anfield this season was one of his best performances and it certainly wasnt average! When he plays well he can stick it out against the best of midfields as he has shown. I think he could grow as a player under kenny because his passing game is very good. He bulked up this year aswell and may continue to. He takes a lot of undeserved stick to be honest and is an easy target. Lucas for me is a work in progress which is exactly where the club is at the moment!
*checks to see if he has entered RAWK*
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I dont think he need individual threads after every game anymore.
He's a good player and getting better and in this of all weeks when we have all learned something about loyalty, im all for giving Lucas as much time as he needs to become the rawkesque figure we all know he will be.
Lucas is fine. Leave im alone, he'll make you proud one day.
He's a good player and getting better and in this of all weeks when we have all learned something about loyalty, im all for giving Lucas as much time as he needs to become the rawkesque figure we all know he will be.
Lucas is fine. Leave im alone, he'll make you proud one day.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=44105.msg1280508#msg1280508 date=1297034003]
I dont think he need individual threads after every game anymore.
He's a good player and getting better and in this of all weeks when we have all learned something about loyalty, im all for giving Lucas as much time as he needs to become the rawkesque figure we all know he will be.
Lucas is fine. Leave im alone, he'll make you proud one day.
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I still dont think he'll have the quality we need to be a top player; but agree 100% on the loyalty bit.
Top post.
I dont think he need individual threads after every game anymore.
He's a good player and getting better and in this of all weeks when we have all learned something about loyalty, im all for giving Lucas as much time as he needs to become the rawkesque figure we all know he will be.
Lucas is fine. Leave im alone, he'll make you proud one day.
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I still dont think he'll have the quality we need to be a top player; but agree 100% on the loyalty bit.
Top post.
Just out of curiosity i've read threads on RAWK which have mentioned how Lucas is the dog's bollocks due to loyalty?
Maybe just the typical shite they spew but is there any reasoning behind this standpoint?
Might be a kneejerk in the wake of the Torres shite, but surely he shouldn't be singled out for loyalty when everyone else is basically doing the same as him.
Maybe just the typical shite they spew but is there any reasoning behind this standpoint?
Might be a kneejerk in the wake of the Torres shite, but surely he shouldn't be singled out for loyalty when everyone else is basically doing the same as him.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44105.msg1280437#msg1280437 date=1297029618]
We can and will do better, let's not get carried away, but credit where it's due. I like the lad, he never let's his head drop and today was up against it with the likes of Essien and Mikel, he's doing well and could well be a good squaddie.
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This.
When the likes of Lucas, Kuyt, Cole and Skrtel are demoted to the bench/squad-role from certain first team starters, we will start competing for the big honours.
But we have quite a bit of shite that needs to be properly fucked out...like Jovanovich, Poulsen, Maxi and Konchesky
We can and will do better, let's not get carried away, but credit where it's due. I like the lad, he never let's his head drop and today was up against it with the likes of Essien and Mikel, he's doing well and could well be a good squaddie.
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This.
When the likes of Lucas, Kuyt, Cole and Skrtel are demoted to the bench/squad-role from certain first team starters, we will start competing for the big honours.
But we have quite a bit of shite that needs to be properly fucked out...like Jovanovich, Poulsen, Maxi and Konchesky
I think that this season's two matches against the chavs have highlighted just how much he's improved over the past 18 months or so...
I remember watching him play against this same team as recently as two seasons ago, and dispairing at how, despite his best efforts, he simply wasn't deserving to be on the same field as the likes of Lampard, Essien, Ballack, etc... It was like watching grown men swat away little schoolboys every time he challanged them.
This season, he has been extremely effective in both matches against a team that used to make him look leagues out of his depth - He played a major role in both our wins against them this year, and good luck to the lad.
Much improved, and as long as he's not who we look to to actually carry the match, he's got a spot in this team.
I remember watching him play against this same team as recently as two seasons ago, and dispairing at how, despite his best efforts, he simply wasn't deserving to be on the same field as the likes of Lampard, Essien, Ballack, etc... It was like watching grown men swat away little schoolboys every time he challanged them.
This season, he has been extremely effective in both matches against a team that used to make him look leagues out of his depth - He played a major role in both our wins against them this year, and good luck to the lad.
Much improved, and as long as he's not who we look to to actually carry the match, he's got a spot in this team.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=44105.msg1280598#msg1280598 date=1297049172]
I think that this season's two matches against the chavs have highlighted just how much he's improved over the past 18 months or so...
I remember watching him play against this same team as recently as two seasons ago, and dispairing at how, despite his best efforts, he simply wasn't deserving to be on the same field as the likes of Lampard, Essien, Ballack, etc... It was like watching grown men swat away little schoolboys every time he challanged them.
This season, he has been extremely effective in both matches against a team that used to make him look leagues out of his depth - He played a major role in both our wins against them this year, and good luck to the lad.
Much improved, and as long as he's not who we look to to actually carry the match, he's got a spot in this team.
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Yes, a squaddie moving forward, when other players come in, but definite improvement
I think that this season's two matches against the chavs have highlighted just how much he's improved over the past 18 months or so...
I remember watching him play against this same team as recently as two seasons ago, and dispairing at how, despite his best efforts, he simply wasn't deserving to be on the same field as the likes of Lampard, Essien, Ballack, etc... It was like watching grown men swat away little schoolboys every time he challanged them.
This season, he has been extremely effective in both matches against a team that used to make him look leagues out of his depth - He played a major role in both our wins against them this year, and good luck to the lad.
Much improved, and as long as he's not who we look to to actually carry the match, he's got a spot in this team.
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Yes, a squaddie moving forward, when other players come in, but definite improvement
Apart from Magic, Lucas is the most improved player so far this season under Kenny.
His performances keep improving. At such a rate he will be a fixture in the first team until we get better players. The measure of the man will be if he can continue his upward trajectory amongst better players and hold his own.
I liked the way Lucas just ignored Torres' handshake! ;D
His performances keep improving. At such a rate he will be a fixture in the first team until we get better players. The measure of the man will be if he can continue his upward trajectory amongst better players and hold his own.
I liked the way Lucas just ignored Torres' handshake! ;D
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