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[Modo]

RB Leipzig have made direct contact with Liverpool over Harvey Elliott as they line up a replacement for Xavi Simons.
No bid has been submitted as yet.
@_pauljoyce

Can understand if he wants to leave, but given how late it is in the transfer window and if we haven't got a replacement lined up then I don't think we should sell him now.

I don't see us signing another attacking midfielder.

If we get Isak, we'll have 3 attacking players on the bench Chiesa, Rio and Ekitike.
Then there's Szobo, Gakpo and Wirtz. Which two will start?

Our second team with Isak onboard would be:

Mama

Bradley
Leoni
Gomez
Robbo

Endo/Bajcetic
Jones
Szobo?

Rio
Ekitike
Ghost of Salah

 

[Hansern]

I don't see us signing another attacking midfielder.

If we get Isak, we'll have 3 attacking players on the bench Chiesa, Rio and Ekitike.
Then there's Szobo, Gakpo and Wirtz. Which two will start?

Our second team with Isak onboard would be:

Mama

Bradley
Leoni
Gomez
Robbo

Endo/Bajcetic
Jones
Szobo?

Rio
Ekitike
Ghost of Salah

I'm thinking more in terms of us maybe signing another winger, like Fofana. Which could replace him in the squad.

 

[Fabio]

I'm thinking more in terms of us maybe signing another winger, like Fofana. Which could replace him in the squad.

A winger absolutely i'm happy to go for, just for variety. But we've already done the briefing that we don't want to bloke rios development, and after that newcastle goal i can't see it happening

 

[Modo]

I'm thinking more in terms of us maybe signing another winger, like Fofana. Which could replace him in the squad.

I think it'll be to detrimental to Rio's development. He just scored a winner and a role as a back up winger for a 17 year old is fine by me.

 

[Hansern]

I think it'll be to detrimental to Rio's development. He just scored a winner and a role as a back up winger for a 17 year old is fine by me.

Fofana would be designated to the right wing though.

 

[Hansern]

Anyway, moot point.


View: https://x.com/ptgorst/status/1961368188794671152

 

[Red Bird]

So, Slot isn’t blind after all.

 

[doctor_mac]

Elliot is such a good player to introduce in games, though I get it that he doesn't want that to be his role. His record of influencing games positively from the bench is ridiculous, and he really loves playing for us. I will be sorry to see him go.

 

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Rio's development

Small clubs worry about the development of youngsters. If Rio was at West Ham, for example, then West Ham would worry about his development so that they could develop him and be able to sell him.

Big clubs do not worry about the development of youngsters. Big clubs just provide opportunities for good, young players to play and to COMPETE with other big and great players. One cannot worry about Rio's "development." Slot cannot worry about Rio's "development." If he were to do that then he would not worry about winning the league. Ngumoha cannot be counted to be a substitute for the likes of Diaz and/or Gakpo. Simons, in contrast, could. Simons was top scorer in Holland (already, and at a time when he was 19 years old) and has had a great year at Leipzig, proving himself to be their top player at the age of 22.

Michael Owen was a great youngster that Liverpool once developed. But they didn't worry about his development. They let him play and he proved himself.
McManaman was also a great youngster that Liverpool once developed. But they didn't worry about his development. They let him play and he proved himself.

At big clubs you don't worry about the development of youngsters AT THE FIRST TEAM LEVEL. You sign them up, give them chances to play, loan them to prove themselves if they are not proving themselves at your club. And then bring them back or sell them. PSG have done that with Simons when he was 19. They've sold him to PSV with a buyback option. He was a top scorer in Holland.

 

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Rio's development

At big clubs you don't worry about the development of youngsters AT THE FIRST TEAM LEVEL. You sign them up, give them chances to play, loan them to prove themselves if they are not proving themselves at your club. And then bring them back or sell them. PSG have done that with Simons when he was 19. They've sold him to PSV with a buyback option. He was a top scorer in Holland.

And this is EXACTLY what the FSG is doing with Nguhoma. They have SIGNED HIM UP. That means that it is LFC that now controls his rights and future profits from him transfers. He was given a chance at the first team level, which he was promised. But Liverpool can still loan him out while preserving the option of profiting from any and all of his future sales. And that is, again, EXACTLY what Liverpool is looking to do. Perhaps (and this is low likelihood) Nguhoma will end up truly proving himself at Liverpool at a tender age of 17. Like Owen did. Which is RARE. And which is even more rare now than it was before. It is more likely that he will not. He is just 17 and has problems with fundamental movements having to do with getting him past the post when the attack is progressing on the opposite end of the field. He also has a great tendency to PUT HIS HEAD DOWN from the little that I've seen of him playing in pre-season. He is not a Premier League champions material. He might be one day. But right now he is not.

In other words, LFC will look to extract value out of Ngumoha just like they are now extracting value out of Harvey Elliot. Lets wait and see how things will pan out.

 

[ibromurph]

I think it'll be to detrimental to Rio's development. He just scored a winner and a role as a back up winger for a 17 year old is fine by me.

Back up winger?

Imagine Gakpo is out with an injury (as he was last year on that PSG/Cup final week) you'd be happy for Rio to start 5-6 games in a row and play 80-90mins? I'm not so sure.

At 17, he should be getting league cup, fa cup, CL dead rubbers, 3-0 up minutes/games. We shouldn't be turning to him at 2-2 every week. I know he's a star, but is he really Lamine Yamal and physically ready for the PL? (this ain't La Liga, where Yamal gets protected from assault). I feel like we still we need one more and that will be facilitated by Elliott moving on and us replacing him with a versatile forward (essentially another Diaz).

Ideally we need a player like Chiesa before his knees went and he lost all his pace. A player who can play LW,AM,RW.

 

[doctor_mac]

Back up winger?

Imagine Gakpo is out with an injury (as he was last year on that PSG/Cup final week) you'd be happy for Rio to start 5-6 games in a row and play 80-90mins? I'm not so sure.

At 17, he should be getting league cup, fa cup, CL dead rubbers, 3-0 up minutes/games. We shouldn't be turning to him at 2-2 every week. I know he's a star, but is he really Lamine Yamal and physically ready for the PL? (this ain't La Liga, where Yamal gets protected from assault). I feel like we still we need one more and that will be facilitated by Elliott moving on and us replacing him with a versatile forward (essentially another Diaz).

I think the idea is we sign Isak. Ekitike, Wirtz and Isak can all operate from the left in addition to Rio. We even have the possibility of playing a 3-4-3 system with Kerkez further up the pitch. I think we have plenty of options if we sign Isak. It definitely isn't a case of Gakpo gets injured and next thing Rio starts every single game.

 

[bluebell]

Small clubs worry about the development of youngsters. If Rio was at West Ham, for example, then West Ham would worry about his development so that they could develop him and be able to sell him.

Big clubs do not worry about the development of youngsters. Big clubs just provide opportunities for good, young players to play and to COMPETE with other big and great players. One cannot worry about Rio's "development." Slot cannot worry about Rio's "development." If he were to do that then he would not worry about winning the league. Ngumoha cannot be counted to be a substitute for the likes of Diaz and/or Gakpo. Simons, in contrast, could. Simons was top scorer in Holland (already, and at a time when he was 19 years old) and has had a great year at Leipzig, proving himself to be their top player at the age of 22.

Michael Owen was a great youngster that Liverpool once developed. But they didn't worry about his development. They let him play and he proved himself.
McManaman was also a great youngster that Liverpool once developed. But they didn't worry about his development. They let him play and he proved himself.

At big clubs you don't worry about the development of youngsters AT THE FIRST TEAM LEVEL. You sign them up, give them chances to play, loan them to prove themselves if they are not proving themselves at your club. And then bring them back or sell them. PSG have done that with Simons when he was 19. They've sold him to PSV with a buyback option. He was a top scorer in Holland.

WTF are you on about? Big clubs do worry about development of good youngsters, otherwise why invest 10s of millions on training? A player like Rio could save us over £100m+ but he needs coaching and mentoring which all clubs try to provide. You don't what know work they do with youngsters, there's great deal of work that goes into youth level

 

[ibromurph]

I think the idea is we sign Isak. Ekitike, Wirtz and Isak can all operate from the left in addition to Rio. We even have the possibility of playing a 3-4-3 system with Kerkez further up the pitch. I think we have plenty of options if we sign Isak. It definitely isn't a case of Gakpo gets injured and next thing Rio starts every single game.

I've said the same thing about the 3-4-3 system, even though I've only ever seen Slot use it when we were 1-0 down to Forest at home, 3-1 down away at Fulham, and the 3-3-3 system when we were 2-1 down home to Fulham (down to 10 men).

If Wirtz is the first choice back up to Gakpo, or Szobo reprises his old Leipzig role there, then yeah, it can work.

I'm just not banking on Ekitike to be that player until I see him play at least 1 good game there.

 

[Squiggles]

I see Elliott only as backup to whatever we're doing with Wirtz at ten, because he's the one player who consistently understands the importance of playing between the lines, but do I think we're in desperate need of him? No. If I were Elliott, I'd be pushing for a move to Leipzig with a buy back (childhood club and all that).

He really can't afford another year like last year if he's to become the player he wants to be. He needs football.

 

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with a buy back

lol. Elliott hasn't and will not set the world on fire. Him exercising a buy back clause is pretty humorous to me. But he will do well in Germany. He will have more time on the ball there and he is well versed in all sorts of systems of play having worked under Klopp.

 

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What FSG appear to be doing with Leipzig and in Germany is what Man United used to do with certain lower clubs in England. Offload their players who have generally failed to develop a career at Man Utd but as some sort of high-value players and prospects that can be directly slotted into the first team. Ferguson would make such recommendations, etc., which is what Klopp is doing. Leipzig will not be getting no Simons, that's for sure. That's part of how the FSG exerts influence on the German market.

 

[Modo]

Fofana would be designated to the right wing though.

And Chiesa will be making pasta and pizza for the coaching staff.

 

[Hansern]

And Chiesa will be making pasta and pizza for the coaching staff.

As he does now.

 

[Woland]

lol. Elliott hasn't and will not set the world on fire. Him exercising a buy back clause is pretty humorous to me. But he will do well in Germany. He will have more time on the ball there and he is well versed in all sorts of systems of play having worked under Klopp.

He'll make Wirtz look like Lucas

 

[Kvarme Chameleon]

He'll make Wirtz look like Lucas

You make it sound like a bad thing.

 

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He'll make Wirtz look like Lucas

hihi His game will get significantly elevated in Germany. That is true. And it is very much an open question whether Wirtz will be able to live up to England and build the same sort of reputation while at Liverpool. So that something like that might happen. A German Elliott might make English Wirtz look like Lucas. But, hey, here's to hoping that Wirtz will turn into a major star.

 

[Modo]

As he does now.

So you'd buy a french kid, who's right footed and primarily plays on the left.

That's your Salah replacement?

Not the guy who won us the game against Bournemouth and costs us nothing.

 

[Modo]

Back up winger?

Imagine Gakpo is out with an injury (as he was last year on that PSG/Cup final week) you'd be happy for Rio to start 5-6 games in a row and play 80-90mins? I'm not so sure.

At 17, he should be getting league cup, fa cup, CL dead rubbers, 3-0 up minutes/games. We shouldn't be turning to him at 2-2 every week. I know he's a star, but is he really Lamine Yamal and physically ready for the PL? (this ain't La Liga, where Yamal gets protected from assault). I feel like we still we need one more and that will be facilitated by Elliott moving on and us replacing him with a versatile forward (essentially another Diaz).

Ideally we need a player like Chiesa before his knees went and he lost all his pace. A player who can play LW,AM,RW.

what @doctor_mac wrote.

If Gakkers gets injured, I'd play Wirtz, Chiesa or Isak/Ekitike there.
Rio should have the role he has now. Late sub, hail mary sub, league cup/FA cup starter, worthless CL game starter.

 

[Buddha]

We’ll sell Elliot, we’re just negotiating Leipzig upwards

 

[Hansern]

So you'd buy a french kid, who's right footed and primarily plays on the left.

That's your Salah replacement?

Not the guy who won us the game against Bournemouth and costs us nothing.

Belgian, left but two footed and can play on either wing. I’d play him on the right.

The Salah replacement is Olise, hopefully.

 

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Friday at 13:07

He'll make Wirtz look like Lucas

hihi His game will get significantly elevated in Germany. That is true. And it is very much an open question whether Wirtz will be able to live up to England and build the same sort of reputation while at Liverpool. So that something like that might happen. A German Elliott might make English Wirtz look like Lucas. But, hey, here's to hoping that Wirtz will turn into a major star.

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[Modo]

eh...

Case closed...

 

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hihi It is one thing Wirtz looking like Lucas Leiva and it is another thing him being like Lucas Leiva. Here's to hoping that Wirtz might look like Lucas Leiva before finding his feet and adapting to England. So that this is very much a low bar for him. But, Lucas Leiva was a Brazilian. Not like he didn't know how to pass and control the ball.

 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha6yo-8LnyA .

2m and 14s. Not much.

Speaks of the difference between Liverpool of the Benitez era (under crap owners) and this Liverpool vying for the total control of the league.