that's it even Maverick and Goose need games
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that's it even Maverick and Goose need games
I blame Tatcher for fox being a "success". The story isn't really "I've got no trabs now but in two years I'll everything on telly" an more of "I jibbed a job an then got another one". But it's resulted him being able to buy a computer an post here. So she's a cunt still.
No. I'm talking about communities. The very thing she didn't blink about destroying.
I think she was in favour of people helping their neighbours and communities tbh, sure I've read that before.
Oh, and Harold Wilson destroyed even more communities. Let's redistribute the hate a bit.
She had a funny way of showing it then. On Harold, sound, I hate them all anyway.
Thatcher has been praised for not agreeing to the "managed decline" of Liverpool, proposed by 80s colleagues. Here, we see the soft heart of Margaret the Woman, the tear-stained blouse of Maggie the Mum. I believe countries should be run like small businesses, and just as one would close down a loss-making shop or sack a sickly employee, so unprofitable towns and their unproductive citizens should be let go also. But Thatcher the maternal metal mother chose to view the feckless Liverpudlians somehow as legitimate stakeholders in their nation, deserving of the support of their own government, and she would not cast them out into the Wirral, to smelt stolen road signs, spit and form heroically self-regarding and influential neo-psychedelic groups.
Well, yes he is, and the reason for that is that the only way the Labour Party could hope to get into power was to move to the right.
That (and the three General Election wins of course) really does not stack up well with the idea that everyone hated Thatcher.
i am not sure that the people on here who hate/hated thatcher say everyone hated her. some people rather strangley loved the way she helped them become poorer and limited their chances in life.
populare doesnt mean good and unpopular doesnt mean bad. neither does it mean right or wrong. popular means popular and unpopular means unpopular.
not everyone hated g w bush but it doesnt make him a great leader.
populare doesnt mean good and unpopular doesnt mean bad. neither does it mean right or wrong. popular means popular and unpopular means unpopular.
not everyone hated g w bush but it doesnt make him a great leader.
So what are you saying?
Likes are being dished out like lube at an orgy.
Likes should be banned for this thread.
Likes should be banned for this thread.
I am not falling for that one .
For those who doubted Spion's story of Thatcher crying about the Falklands dead, perhaps they're more likely to believe Tony Benn? I've just seen a quote from him about her turning up at the funeral of Labour MP Eric Heffer and being in tears from grief.
the woman thinks the study of ancient norse literature is a luxury -- no doubt because she could only percieve value through economic terms. i'm not arsed whether she cried.
It is a fucking luxury! It doesn't automatically follow that she wouldn't (reluctantly or otherwise) support the continuing subsidisation of it by non-graduate taxpayers. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Until then our Stew is tilting at windmills, as per fucking usual.
just that being popular doesnt mean you are right or wrong.
Bans should be liked for this thread might be an even better idea.
and being unpopular (like I am on here) does not make you wrong either
So it's ok to pay millions for her funeral, ok for MPs to claim thousands in expenses to attend it, the Tories are outraged at the scenes of people celebrating the witch's death but are happy for her funeral to have a Falkland's theme to it. We're all in the austerity climate together people. You couldn't make the shit up. Gang of twats totally out of touch.
she made the unis answerable to market forces obviously. it started a trend that is deepening all the time and it will eventually render the humanities the pastime of the rich as their value is not economic.
Its very disgaraceful indeed.. But what did you expect from the Tories.. Nothing more than Tory love in fest this funeral..
Nice to see some Labour MP's come out and refuse to attend.. despite the fact they could cash in expenses wise..
think how many ancient norse literature scholars could be bankrolled with that kind of money.
Did she? I honestly didn't know, if she did. I remember my sister starting at Edinburgh in 92 and getting a grant as well as paying no fees.
I think whatever happens there'll always be arrangements for people to borrow their uni fees and pay back out of a certain salary, if they receive it. I find it hard to imagine that'll change, at least in our lifetime. As long as there's something like that then anyone will still be able to study what they want.
Btw I'm not necessarily saying I support such a scenario.
No, I don't think many people 'love her' for making them poorer. A lot of people's lives suffered during the Thatcher years, and those people hate her. I don't blame them.
A lot of people's lives improved a lot though, and they probably see things very differently. Well, not probably at all actually. They do. Hence she won 3 elections and polls this week show that more people think her record was good than those who think it was bad.
In fact I think it was Alan Sugar (a Labour peer) who was praising her this week for allowing ordinary people to succeed in business 'rather than the elite' (his words, not mine). There are also a hell of a lot of people who became homeowners and share holders because of Thatcher. Again, you might disagree with those policies, but the fact remains that those ordinary people did NOT have their opportunities limited.
Thatcher did a lot wrong, but to make out that everything she did was awful and that she did not improve the lives of some ordinary people is just pain wrong, illogical and reduces the credibility if your argument.
There should always be balance in discussing any political figure. Even Mad Gordon accidentally bumbled his way into a handful of good policies.
Don't necessarily disagree with some of the stuff you're saying but get your Stewart Lee's cock out of your mouth already.
you have to have a certain level of sophistication to your humour to understand him.
I'm unsure what money or uni fees or whatever other irrelevant financial dealings have to do with anything.
The fact is that Thatcher's policies deliberately divided a country. Have's and have not's, North and South etc. That's her legacy.
Surely anyone can see that if you debase the nations industries, sell the nations treasures and use it as reward money or to open a line of credit for those willing to follow the plan and continue with callous disregard for those who can't or don't agree then things don't get better they just store up animosity.
That's where we are. I've seen people on telly unable to understand why there's been a backlash. The lack of awareness beggars belief.
All in it together...don't think so.
The fact is that Thatcher's policies deliberately divided a country. Have's and have not's, North and South etc. That's her legacy.
Surely anyone can see that if you debase the nations industries, sell the nations treasures and use it as reward money or to open a line of credit for those willing to follow the plan and continue with callous disregard for those who can't or don't agree then things don't get better they just store up animosity.
That's where we are. I've seen people on telly unable to understand why there's been a backlash. The lack of awareness beggars belief.
All in it together...don't think so.
No conservative voted in any election in scotland for a generation. Scotland and Wales having a monumental rise in independence movements, Scotland on the verge of leaving the union.
Once again Fox, congratulations on missing the point. You say 7 years ago you were skint and now you have it good. How did it feel walking around the Supermarket keeping tabs on what you were buying? How did it feel giving your car back?
This ability to "fuck off elsewhere", where do you think it appears from? You have to have the resources and circumstance to do it. Do you think the whole country can afford to start up their own business? Do you think we all possess the skill and intelligence to find a niche in the market to exploit? Our friends started a new business 18 months ago, they remortgaged, opened a shop and lost 20k on it and had to close at Christmas. It's not that fucking easy.
You know what, I commend you on moving out of where you were, getting yourself a good standing and setting yourself up for life, I really do. Like I said, I don't begrudge anyone working hard and earning a better life for themselves.
I've had better paid jobs 20 years ago than what I've got now. I'm not poorly educated, when my mates were getting pissed and stoned on the dole, I was studying and raising a child. When we decided to have more children I was financially in a position to do so, we both had good jobs that were (at the time) relatively secure, we had a house and were keeping our heads well above water. Opportunity to move elsewhere and earn a better wage wasn't a necessity, we were comfortable with bread on the table, a loving family and a roof over our heads. Some people get comfort in budgeting their 70 odd quid Income Support for fags and ale, that's a different level of 'staying in the comfort zone', that's just ignorance and not always to the fault of the person, it's the society Thatcher generated
I never said I was in the doldrums end at the time. I wasn't, I'd grown up in a family that initially was reasonably well financially, but then plummeted during my teen years into barely being able to scrape a decent meal together - a famous saying in our house at the time was "we'll have to live off egg and chips for a few weeks". That was life for years. When I was about 14 I started working in cleaning jobs with my Mum to help her out physically, I started doing paper-rounds, then helping a removal firm, then studied and got a good job that was well paid. About 10 years ago I found my Mums partner dead, he'd lived a life on the dole, paying for booze and fags and died before he was 40, another lazy bastard or another victim, depending on what side the fence you're on or whether you even care to acknowledge circumstance and upbringing. The knock on effect was it knocked me for six, I froze and didn't know what to do and ultimately blamed myself for not trying save him in some way. I've since been told it was instant, but that didn't and doesn't really help because I felt useless, even though I was First Aid trained - btw, I don't for any second consider myself unfortunate nor feel sorry for myself, people on here have survived conflict, Hillsborough and have seen much, much worse things in life. But it did have an effect on me for a few years - again, that's the ripples of the society we live in, there's not just direct victims in all of this, there's families, friends, and people who genuinely have their lives held back through little fault of their own.
Nowadays I've worked in different jobs and now find myself fortunate in one sense to actually have one, but bitterly angry that our society means I'm now in a job earning about half of what I could have earned in this area 10 years ago. The opportunity is there, but you have to have the circumstance, application and focus to do it, and if that's not inbuilt in you or life holds you back in someway, then obviously not everyone is going to be able to grab that opportunity. Job applications at the minute in this area are horrendous. On Reed's website, many of the jobs I apply for have at least 300 applicants, some more. We're living in an industrial town that was booming until the 80's, had an upsurge early this century, and now sees us scrapping around for a minimum wage against a higher percentage of unemployed (thanks to job cuts and changes in sickness benefits) and a bigger influx of foreign workers. That's the reality that this fantastic "forward thinking" Government has given us in this great country.
10 years ago we both had good jobs, had three children and were building something that could have eventually seen us move away had we carried on climbing the ladder, instead we're now back to square one worse off than we were when we met and now in a position where we should be enjoying the fruits of life with our three children, but instead are worrying were the next school jumper is coming from or whether there will be enough money at the end of the month to pay the bills. "Fuck off and live elsewhere then", you haven't got a clue and by everything you posted earlier about where you came from, you fucking should.
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