She's dead

[737Max]

If they gave us a day off for this funeral I'd refuse it.

They won't do that Sunny I mean think of the cost of 1 day off and the loss of money.

But they will spend £8m on that cunts funeral!

It's laughable how last yr they were looking for private investment to step in to fund the Queens jubilee but this year they're happy to shell out an estimated £8m for that cunts funeral! And to top it off, expenses up to £3750 can be claimed by politicians!!

Yeah we're all in it together.

They can fuck right off!

 

[peterhague]

I'm unsure why you thought to post a story about the figures involved in a mining dispute in 1984?

The damage to industry and the resulting mass unemployment peaked in 1981, several years before.

Incidentally, your random if irrelevant pick does, I'm sure, remind those around at the time of the genesis of Police mistrust. Marshalling Police from around the country to block motorways, blockade towns and pits and herd miners was a daily TV feature. It's why many Police don para-military uniforms today and why no-one trusts them as they're seen as an agent of the Government with an agenda and not a public service.

Another Thatcher legacy.

You claim she deliberately divided the country. I think that story suggests otherwise.

Not sure why you'd need the relevance of that pointing out.

 

[Portly]

William Hague pointed out yesterday that it was a small price to pay for the funeral of a woman who had saved the UK £75 billion in EU contributions by negotiating the Rebate with her legendary handbagging in Brussels. 🙂

 

[Sunny]

William Hague pointed out yesterday that it was a small price to pay for the funeral of a woman who had saved the UK £75 billion in EU contributions by negotiating the Rebate with her legendary handbagging in Brussels. 🙂

Fair does she did well there as was her job to do. Shame she did fuck all of worth with the money saved. It probably covered the police overtime during the miners strike. I really don't see why we're paying for her funeral though or why she should be treated any differently to any other PM of the past. It's very odd. And this Falklands theme for it is a bit bonkers. Still, at least Fox can dress up in his old uniform and wave his Union Jack flag at the telly. 😉

 

[6TimesaRed]

Can someone summarize this thread for me because I can't be bothered to read back through it all.

She is Dead, and everyone thinks she is was a uber cunt.

@Fox on the other hand is enjoying his tory loving love in.. and has just nipped down his local Selfridges to stock up on more tissues and lube..

Infact for old times sake, he has got out his Thatcher inflatable doll.. (hence why he requires the lube)

 

[cloggypop]

She is Dead, and everyone thinks she is was a uber cunt.

@Fox on the other hand is enjoying his tory loving love in.. and has just nipped down his local Selfridges to stock up on more tissues and lube..

And peterhague is doing some boss trolling .

 

[6TimesaRed]

Id just like to point out @Fox,

His Thatcher Inflatble doll, is not actually true to form.. Its a Inflatable doll with a cut out of Thatchers head selotaped to it.. with a conviently cut out hole around the mouth piece..

or so I heard.. (insider insider information @Sunny)

 

[jexykrodic]

You claim she deliberately divided the country. I think that story suggests otherwise.

Not sure why you'd need the relevance of that pointing out.

I don't claim, the results were there for all to see and experience.

Unless you're telling us it didn't happen or she and her Ministers didn't realise that large swathes of industry would close, millions would be unemployed and whole cities and towns would become barren. That planning no help or assistance wouldn't alienate people and thus divide the nation. I doubt even you can be naive enough to think it some sort of unintended consequence.

As for the episode in the article, that happened some 3 years or more after the damage was done. It was significant though in that it divided the Police from the public.

A direct legacy of Thatcher's divisive nature was to drive a wedge between ordinary people and the Police - no one trusts them anymore. If, back in the day, you'd suggested we'd have para-military style Police and that no-one would trust the Police to do the right thing or even tell the truth (need proof?) or even report crimes to the Police they'd have laughed.

Side-tracking or trolling ain't going to get it done for you. She divided us, you only have to switch on your TV or pick up a newspaper or talk to people or go on the internet for proof.

 

[Sunny]

I don't claim, the results were there for all to see and experience.

Unless you're telling us it didn't happen or she and her Ministers didn't realise that large swathes of industry would close, millions would be unemployed and whole cities and towns would become barren. That planning no help or assistance wouldn't alienate people and thus divide the nation. I doubt even you can be naive enough to think it some sort of unintended consequence.

As for the episode in the article, that happened some 3 years or more after the damage was done. It was significant though in that it divided the Police from the public.

A direct legacy of Thatcher's divisive nature was to drive a wedge between ordinary people and the Police - no one trusts them anymore. If, back in the day, you'd suggested we'd have para-military style Police and that no-one would trust the Police to do the right thing or even tell the truth (need proof?) or even report crimes to the Police they'd have laughed.

Side-tracking or trolling ain't going to get it done for you. She divided us, you only have to switch on your TV or pick up a newspaper or talk to people or go on the internet for proof.

Absolutely. You cannot tell us what a lot us experienced under her reign was not real. We were there ! And this thread is proof of how divisive she was.

 

[peterhague]

I don't claim, the results were there for all to see and experience.

Unless you're telling us it didn't happen or she and her Ministers didn't realise that large swathes of industry would close, millions would be unemployed and whole cities and towns would become barren. That planning no help or assistance wouldn't alienate people and thus divide the nation. I doubt even you can be naive enough to think it some sort of unintended consequence.

As for the episode in the article, that happened some 3 years or more after the damage was done. It was significant though in that it divided the Police from the public.

A direct legacy of Thatcher's divisive nature was to drive a wedge between ordinary people and the Police - no one trusts them anymore. If, back in the day, you'd suggested we'd have para-military style Police and that no-one would trust the Police to do the right thing or even tell the truth (need proof?) or even report crimes to the Police they'd have laughed.

Side-tracking or trolling ain't going to get it done for you. She divided us, you only have to switch on your TV or pick up a newspaper or talk to people or go on the internet for proof.

DELIBERATELY.

 

[peterhague]

Absolutely. You cannot tell us what a lot us experienced under her reign was not real. We were there ! And this thread is proof of how divisive she was.

Mate you should remember before backing up jexy that he's really really thick, so you're probably going to be wrong.

 

[Sunny]

Mate you should remember before backing up jexy that he's really really thick, so you're probably going to be wrong.

Don't tell me what to do. You're not Margaret Thatcher. Although you have the same hairstyle

 

[Fox]

So were Hitler and Pol Pot.

yes I remember Maggie trying to kill millions of jews, perspective???

For History and the world she affected she deserves a decent funeral.

my opinion, obviously not yours but I bet a higher percentage of the world agree with me

 

[The Bandit]

i bet they dont*

*this is using the patented fox method of proof ( i think it so therefore it is true)

 

[jexykrodic]

Mate you should remember before backing up jexy that he's really really thick, so you're probably going to be wrong.

Tut tut, more insults. Not looking good for you in here is it? You need some backup, perhaps get Fox to expound his theory again that ownership of an electrical device is proof we've reached Nirvana.

My description of you as a div seems quite mild compared to what many others are saying but hey! carry on. Any credibility (LOL) you had disappeared long ago.

 

[Portly]

Fox is doing a grand job. I admire his tenacity.

 

[Le Chacal]

If you dont think she divided the country deliberately, then you're clearly underestimating her

 

[peterhague]

I'd be worried if people here agreed with me. Deliberate implies some primary intention. Would you think it fair to say that Churchill, for example, *deliberately* sent British men to die in WW2? Or was that just an unavoidable consequence of a wider goal?

 

[Jack D Rips]

yes I remember Maggie trying to kill millions of jews, perspective???

For History and the world she affected she deserves a decent funeral.

my opinion, obviously not yours but I bet a higher percentage of the world agree with me

Do you remember her ( and not just her, admittedly) supporting Pol Pot, the guy responsible for the deaths of as many as 2 million Cambodians?

 

[The Bandit]

and her mate pinochet.

yet another reason she deserves respect according to mr fox.

 

[cloggypop]

Do you remember her ( and not just her, admittedly) supporting Pol Pot, the guy responsible for the deaths of as many as 2 million Cambodians?

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/53763

 

[Sunny]

yes I remember Maggie trying to kill millions of jews, perspective???

For History and the world she affected she deserves a decent funeral.

my opinion, obviously not yours but I bet a higher percentage of the world agree with me

Yet all of them were absolute cunts. Yes your opinion. My opinion - she deserves fuck all and why folk put the bitch on a pedestal is way beyond me.

 

[peterhague]

Yet all of them were absolute cunts. Yes your opinion. My opinion - she deserves fuck all and why folk put the bitch on a pedestal is way beyond me.

Whether you agree with the thinking or not, you only have to consider the state of Britain in the 70s to know why some revere her. There's many who think it might have been done differently or less divisively (I'm definitely open to that, but I'd want to read more before making a final judgement) but anyone who says they'd really relish a return to those days is probably either a bit of a crackpot socialist or just plain dishonest.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Do you remember her ( and not just her, admittedly) supporting Pol Pot, the guy responsible for the deaths of as many as 2 million Cambodians?

Or English PMs, as well as most European PMs, indirectly supporting Hitler's war machine non-stop (even while fighting him) ... Unfortunately, people in power who present opportunities are supported despite the atrocities they commit.

 

[Portly]

Or English PMs, as well as most European PMs, indirectly supporting Hitler's war machine non-stop (even while fighting him) ... Unfortunately, people in power who present opportunities are supported despite the atrocities they commit.

Oh I see - Churchill was on the side of the Nazis!

I am learning a lot from this thread. 🙂

 

[Skullflower]

Whether you agree with the thinking or not, you only have to consider the state of Britain in the 70s to know why some revere her. There's many who think it might have been done differently or less divisively (I'm definitely open to that, but I'd want to read more before making a final judgement) but anyone who says they'd really relish a return to those days is probably either a bit of a crackpot socialist or just plain dishonest.

I just wanted to take the time to ‘book end’ my thoughts on the late Margaret Thatcher. If nothing else then to flesh out a little of the bones of my (and others) prior posts and perhaps an explanation of the vitriolic nature of some very cool peoples updates.
Firstly I get that a lot of people thought she was great, I really do. In particular those who grew up south of Watford. If you grew up in London or Surrey or leafy Kent then perhaps you didn’t see or weren’t aware of the scale of depravation much of our country was subjected to under Thatcher.
Ask the people of Sheffield whose steel industry was deconstructed. Or the men of Merthyr and Cardiff whose very livelihood was taken away. Ask the people of Newcastle or Birmingham how they remember that time. Look around the working class communities of these once great cities and see walls of boarded up houses, factories shut forever, pits closed, homelessness, joblessness. Watch Boys from the Blackstuff.
I know that the people of Guildford and Windsor and Tunbridge wells will never see that. I really get that, and that the abiding memory for many will be the blackouts in the late seventies, the strikes and the trade union power over the country I do get.
But that in itself is not the reason that we (and I say WE) hate Thatcher and are glad she is dead (celebratory even) its not. YES we HATE what she did to this country. We hate the destruction of community, we hate the abolition of all forms of trade and industry, we hate the way she sold and privatised our NHS and public transport system to line her party pockets, we hate that she drove a wedge between the rich and the poor, between the haves and the have nots, that she increased the rate of of VAT twofold, that she gave tax breaks to millionaires while increasing taxes on all areas for the poor and introducing poll tax (which you and I now see as council tax, that 1000+ a year that you have to pay to have your bins emptied) we hate that she cut off swathes of the country and simply waited for the money to come in (like a modern day Sheriff of Nottingham), yes we hate all of those things and we hate her for them. But if you think that that is why we rejoice in her demise you are far from the truth.
I would politefully request that you read about her support for the Khmer Rouge who butchered 2.2m human beings. She supported Pinochet and was friends with him socially, a man who 300,000 of his citizens were abused by, she sold arms to Saudi Arabia who to this day abuse human rights and in particular those of women,she ignored sanctions to trade with Apartheid South Africa calling Mandela a terrorist and supporting the ruling apartheid regime, she allowed American nuclear weapons to reside in our country at the whim of another dictator, she traded arms to Iraq and dined with Saddam Hussain, she supported continued division in Ireland, including rejecting Eires place at any talks about the future of the country and refused to allow the hunger strikers political status allowing them to starve themselves to death rather than improve their living conditions.
You could read about Hillsborough, the parties policies on Football fans (the WORKING CLASSES) you could read about how her police force in collusion with Whitehall blamed the death of 96 men, women and children on the very people her organisation failed to protect. How for 23 years it was covered up and when finally it was made clear last year (expose the lies before Thatcher dies YESSS!!!!) disgusting revelations came out including that the police took blood samples from dead children to try and prove that fan drunkenness had caused the tragedy. And SHE knew. And it was covered up from top to bottom. And those families of the dead still don’t have justice 23 years later because for 23 years her lies were covered up to protect her and her police force.
Margaret Thatcher has left a legacy of greed and division that will never be overcome, she gave birth to the welfare state/benefits culture that her own party rail against today, she drove MILLIONS of working families into care or a benefit cycle that decades later they are still in. Her social and economic policies (which we see echoed by that vile cretinous cunt Cameron today) were structured to make the rich richer, and keep the middle ground quiet while the working class majority were ground underfoot. Im not telling you anything you cant read or find out for yourself if you were lucky enough to not have lived in her era, or certainly not in Birmingham, Northern Ireland, Cardiff, Sheffield, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Chili or anywhere else that her stinking foetid fingers had influence and spread ruination. You can read it all, you can educate yourself about her policies, her friends, her quangos, her affiliation with Phillip Morris, her cronyism, you can certainly read all of that. You can educate yourself should you have the time or the will. However if YOU DO NOT have the time or the will and care not to ‘EDUCATE’ yourself, I say this to you. That’s fine. No problem. You CHOOSE not to then that’s a ok with me.
But spare me the fucking moral outrage about my standpoint when I (who have educated myself and do remember the havoc she wreaked) and the people like me, the working class northerners, the men of coal towns, the men of Steel towns, the people who saw her influence and were REPELLED by it. Spare me your outrage when I am glad she is dead. Because you who cant be arsed to find out why I am outraged and sickened by her have no fucking right, NO RIGHT to talk about those who actually can be arsed to be morally outraged by despotism and be glad to see an end to a tyrant.
She WAS a fucking vile horrible crooked despot. And if she came from Uganda or Kazakhstan she would be roundly vilified around the globe, she would be tried for fucking war crimes.
I don’t care that she was a woman in a mans world, I don’t care that she was old and had lost her senses. It doesn’t change her DEEDS. And that is the issue here.
Im glad she is dead. It doesn’t make me a great person or anything, and im not proud to….actually, I am. Fuck that bitch.

 

[peterhague]

Why are you posting Oncey's drivel? I've already tried to read it once.

 

[Skullflower]

because you simply cannot defend your position after reading it.

 

[peterhague]

Nor can you defend the state of British education in the 1980s, so I suppose that's one thing I should blame Thatcher for.

 

[SummerOnions]

I used to work for an organisation that provides a service to people who need it..

The Citzens Advice Bureau.. They for years depended on Goverment funding.. Due to cuts and what have you, they have had a huge wedge of that pulled.. at the same time having to lay people off who where providing a service that was very much needed, leaving a huge gap...

That 8 million may not sound much, but that could be better spent for an organistation like the CAB in Vulnerable areas..

Point is, its a complete outrage at the time where the focus has been on spending cuts they go and spend 8 million of Tax payers money on a funeral.. This 8 Million doesn't take into account the expenses the MP's who will be attending the funeral will claim..

She was not a royal and therefore doesnt warrant a state funeral! She was a politician who rightly or wrongly made decisions which affected millions of people's lives. Some were destroyed as a result, others were built up and they enjoyed an elevated and inflated lifestyle..
Some she brought together, others she split apart for good.

Dont ask us to pay for her funeral due to her lifestyle and decisions

Yeah, I volunteer for the CAB in the summer and stuff, you can see how complete cuts to Legal Aid are causing serious amounts of redundancies. And £8M is nothing, apparently.