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Suarez v. RVP

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dmishra

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Stat attack!

Interesting comparison between Suarez and RVP. Hopefully, Suarez pips him to the PL Golden Boot. Some accolade to look forward to at least.

van Persie Vs Luis Suárez | Stats Comparison

This season’s two top scorers, Robin van Persie (18) and Luis Suárez (16), have been central to Manchester United and Liverpool teams who have had varying levels of success. Two very different players stylistically, the pair have established themselves as the Premier League’s striking elite.
Van Persie’s game is a clinical one, and with the ability to score goals of every description from almost anywhere on the pitch, the Dutchman has carried on for United where he left off with Arsenal.
Indefatigable in winning the ball back from the opposition, creative with it, Suárez has already scored five more goals this season than he did in the whole of 2011/12. With the January arrival of Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea, and the early signs that his signing could be the perfect foil for Suárez, the Uruguayan is currently enjoying his best spell in a Liverpool shirt.

Van Persie’s stellar return of 30 goals for Arsenal in 2011/12 ensured he won both the Professional Footballers’ Association’s and Football Writers’ Association’s Player of the Year and with 9 assists to his name, he was demonstrably superior to Luis Suárez who finished the season with 11 goals and 3 assists.

The stats show that whilst van Persie outperformed Suárez last season, Suárez has very much closed the gap this season.
Robin van Persie and Luis Suárez goal attempt stats 2012/13




What’s perhaps most interesting is that van Persie is often attributed as being the most proven finisher in the league, yet his clear-cut chance conversion of 39% is eclipsed by Suárez’s 52%. More than that, Suárez is managing a shot every 21 minutes compared to van Persie’s 26 minutes.

However, van Persie is averaging a goal in the league every 103 minutes whilst Suárez registers every 126 minutes, and that is arguably the most telling difference.

On the other hand, when you consider that Suárez scored a goal every 232 minutes last season, his improvement this year is substantial. This is consolidated by the fact that in 2011/12 his clear-cut chance conversion was a meager 25%.

Van Persie’s position for Arsenal in 2011/12 and Manchester United in 2012/13 has been as the focal point in the team’s attack, when once he performed the role of ‘the number 10’. Last season for Arsenal he scored 93% of his goals from inside the box and this season he has scored 89% from inside the box for Manchester United. Contrast this to Suárez who has scored 75% of his 16 goals from inside the box in 2012/13 and the reason for their respective goal tallies becomes clear. Van Persie performs the role of the classic striker whereas Suárez is free to roam, and this makes his scoring rate this season all the more impressive.

The stats for the players’ creativity highlights just how different the two are in terms of the way they play. Suárez has completed 69 dribbles this season, whereas van Persie has managed just 18. This is given more emphasis when you consider that Suárez completed 76 dribbles in the whole of last season, a figure which he is surely set to surpass.

This level of difference is repeated in the players’ respective crossing stats. Van Persie has crossed the ball a total of 106 times, far greater than Suárez’s 37. Nevertheless, only Everton’s Leighton Baines (77) has created more chances than Suárez (64) this season. Suárez created the same number of chances in the entire 2011/12 season, which is indicative of his vast improvement. Van Persie is, however, creating a clear-cut chance every 184 minutes, somewhat better than Suárez’s effort of 197 minutes.

Clearly then, Suarez and van Persie employ contrasting styles, which are equally effective. Once more though, the telling difference in terms of creativity is that van Persie has notched 6 assists in contrast to Suárez’s 3.

With more goals and more assists to his name, van Persie has marginally outshone Suárez this season.

Despite that, the players are virtually inseparable when it comes to passing. Both players have a final third pass completion of 73% and Suárez’s overall pass completion is only slightly higher at 75% compared to van Persie’s 72%.
Robin van Persie and Luis Suárez passing zone stats 2012/13

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Suárez’s willingness to dribble with the ball means he is more susceptible to losing possession and whilst he has lost it 84 times this season compared to van Persie’s 36, Suárez (58) has been dispossessed only slightly more often than van Persie (45). This reaffirms that, given his style of play, Suárez is effective at using the ball when in possession.

The Uruguayan is equally keen to win the ball back when his team doesn’t have possession. His number of total ground 50-50’s stands at 339, dwarfing van Persie’s 139. The pair both have a tackle success rate of 80%, though Suárez has won the ball back in the attacking third 19 times compared to van Persie’s 13.

Suárez’s improvement from last season is clear: he has scored more goals and is creating more chances. The fact that van Persie has been able to maintain such a high standard is equally impressive, and whilst he may have the edge in the stats that matter, the overall difference is becoming less readily apparent.

Whether you admire Suárez’s ability to harrow a defence, nutmeg a defender and then score a clever goal, or appreciate van Persie’s unnerving ability to finish so cooly, there is no doubt that both are outstanding players.

Both van Persie and Suárez are at the heart of everything that is good about Manchester United and Liverpool, and both teams will rely on their talismans to perform in the second half of the season, the way they did in the first.
 
Factor in the quality of what's around them and I don't think you have to be a Liverpool fan to suggest Suarez' achievement is the greater.
 
My favourite stat is the number of times Suarez has tried to win the ball back from the opposition. 339 50-50s!
 
I guess it's like the best XI thing. Suarez is certainly better than RVP at some things, while RVP is better at others. Over all RVP is better, but Suarez is beginning to raise questions this year, and if he continues like he is, it'll be a lot closer contest soon enough.
 
If anyone thinks Suarez is actually better than Van Persie they need their fucking head examined.

I think Van Persie is a better finisher, hence a better striker. Suarez is a better player though, and has been dominating whichever level he's been on for 3-4 years. Van Persie wasn't doing that at 23 ...
 
Suarez is a much better player than Van Persie.
Dont care if that means i need my head examined.
Van Persie would have half the goals Suarez has in our side and Suarez would have the same amount in theirs.
 
Suarez is a much better player than Van Persie.
Dont care if that means i need my head examined.
Van Persie would have half the goals Suarez has in our side and Suarez would have the same amount in theirs.

That's simplistic nonsense mate. He's scored goals and won games off his own boot this season.

Besides, he scored 40 odd goals in an average Arsenal side last year.
 
Never did I say Suarez was a better goalscorer.

Yes but you did refer to the amount of goals he'd get if he was alongside better players. Which I suggested was unfair due to VP pretty much working off his own steam at Utd, on top of him playing with an average side last year.
 
Yes but you did refer to the amount of goals he'd get if he was alongside better players. Which I suggested was unfair due to VP pretty much working off his own steam at Utd, on top of him playing with an average side last year.
Only because thats 'simplistically' how strikers are measured.
Like Fowler, Torres, Owen etc not to denigrate Van Persie who is a wonderful player and a top goal getter. But Suarez is a much better footballer.
Passing, Tackling, Work rate, Control, Dribbling, Vision...Suarez, Suarez, Suarez....
 
I'm a bit worried about Suarez playing on the wing. I hate seeing him tracking back into the defensive third of the pitch and then trying to beat someone with a crafty turn there. I don't doubt he is capable of playing that role, I just think we would get more out of him if he was more central and had less defensive responsibilities
 
I'm a bit worried about Suarez playing on the wing. I hate seeing him tracking back into the defensive third of the pitch and then trying to beat someone with a crafty turn there. I don't doubt he is capable of playing that role, I just think we would get more out of him if he was more central and had less defensive responsibilities
Hes played there twice and scored two and got an assist.
 
Hes played there twice and scored two and got an assist.
Goals are only one aspect to consider. I'm more concerned about him trying tricks in the defensive third and losing the ball, and him playing out wide relieves the pressure on the centre backs. Also the last time he played there he had a lot more freedom, tonight he was playing in a much more rigid position, which I hope doesn't become the norm.
 
I think it's a little easy to get carried away with Suarez at Liverpool because he just does everything for us. And that's great - I love him for it too. The thing with Van Persie though is that he doesn't have to do everything at Utd and he didn't really have to at Arsenal either. I'm not sure you can hold that against him in any 1-1 comparisons.

I wouldn't swap Suarez for Van Persie because I love the guy and he brings more to the table, which for us is great because we need him to. Van Persie is a fucking brilliant player though and that was true even before he started scoring 20-30 goals a season. Oncey, you go too far... Van Persie has amazing technique.
 
I think it's a little easy to get carried away with Suarez at Liverpool because he just does everything for us. And that's great - I love him for it too. The thing with Van Persie though is that he doesn't have to do everything at Utd and he didn't really have to at Arsenal either. I'm not sure you can hold that against him in any 1-1 comparisons.

I wouldn't swap Suarez for Van Persie because I love the guy and he brings more to the table, which for us is great because we need him to. Van Persie is a fucking brilliant player though and that was true even before he started scoring 20-30 goals a season. Oncey, you go too far... Van Persie has amazing technique.
Only an opinion.
Suarez is better.
 
I wasn't coming down on you for that - I was just saying that the control, dribbling, vision comparison was a little bit over the top. There are a lot of things Suarez is better than Van Persie at, but control, for example, I wouldn't say is one of them.
 
I wasn't coming down on you for that - I was just saying that the control, dribbling, vision comparison was a little bit over the top. There are a lot of things Suarez is better than Van Persie at, but control, for example, I wouldn't say is one of them.
Well then we disagree.
 
Van Persie is a genius. But he needs his teammates, as proven by his ineffectiveness at the last Euros.
I agree with Keni, in that for us, it would be Suarez every time. RVP would be wasted at Liverpool.
 
Suarez answers Judge Jules' Accusation (sorry JJ if this wasn't you saying he would be off in the Summer or next Jan latest) !

Luis Suárez says that he wants to stay at Liverpool for “a very long time” amid reports linking the Uruguayan international with a move to Bayern Munich.

The 26-year-old scored his 17th Premier League goal of the season in a 2-2 draw with Arsenal at The Emirates on Wednesday night – his 22nd in all competitions.
Suárez signed a new long-term contract at the Reds in the summer after completing a £22.75m switch to the Merseyside outfit from Ajax in January 2011.
Pep Guardiola is set to take charge of Bayern in the summer, and the former Barcelonaboss has been linked with a big-money swoop for the Reds striker.
“I hope [to be at Liverpool] for a very long time because it’s a massive club that kids dream about playing for,” Suárez told Liverpool’s website.
“I’ve been very proud to be at a club like Liverpool and to have made the decision to come here. In two years I’ve lived through some spectacular and very special moments that I will never, ever forget.
“There have been a few difficult times as well, but with the support of my family, the club and the fans, things have gone well for me.
“I do feel at home here. When I’m out and about, all I get is support and encouragement from the local people and that’s very important, and when I come here to the club I feel like people have known me all my life. That also helps a great deal to making me feel so at home.
“I hope to be able to help out the team for as long as I possibly can while trying do something to make the club and the fans very happy.”
 
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